7/24/2021

Singapore, 5th largest financial centre in the world, has no talents in banking and finance and needed to import all and sundry from third world Indian villages

 

 Below are two comments by C Soon Hock and Philip Wen in the former's facebook page. I hope they don't mind me reproducing their comments as they are already being forwarded many, many times in Whatsapp. Both are veteran bankers that lived through the heydays when Singapore was the 5th largest financial centre in the world and Singaporeans were in the thick of things. Those were the days when banking and bankers were mostly Singaporeans.  Goh Keng Swee made it so, demanded it to be so. Singapore was built for Singaporeans not funny locals that are foreigners.

Singapore as a world financial centre was Goh Keng Swee's baby. Today, if he were alive and to read the following two comments, he would have jumped off from the tallest building in Singapore's Mumbai Financial Centre. The financial centre that he built for Singaporeans is now run by Indians from third world India, soon everyone in the banks, from CEO to clerical staff, frontline and backroom and IT would be taken over by the Indians. 

The world's 5th largest financial centre could not find any Singaporeans good enough to run the banks, even low level jobs, and have to go to third world India's villages, whose financial centre is lowly ranked in the 50s, for banking talents. And now the Ceca Indians having been allowed to move in to replace nearly all the Singaporeans are speaking through their megaphones that Singapore has no talents, not limited to banking and finance talents, and despising and sneering at the stupid Singaporeans that are now the taxi drivers driving them and their wives around town or delivering food and groceries to their new Singapore homes.

How did this sordid state of affair happen to Singapore and to the Singaporeans? Who is or are the imbeciles that allowed this to happen? Did they know that our founding fathers fought and built this island city state for Singaporeans, not foreigners, not Johnny come lately?

The two comments below are very painful to read as they were telling a very sickening chapter in our history that could only get worse and no way of turning back. Singapore and Singaporeans are gone and the foreigners, especially the Ceca Indians, are taking over, lock, stock and barrel, in a matter of times.

Anyone still wondering why xenophobia is raising its ugly head in Singapore?

 

C. Soon Hock
As a veteran in the banking industry with nearly 40 years of experience myself, having worked in MAS/GIC, Tokyo, New York, Singapore, top US investment banks, top Japanese bank, my own asset management firm, I can understand and agree to what is written below as I witness the changes in the banking industry here from 1980s, 1990s, 2000s, 2010s and now 2021.
I am saddened and very disappointed to what has happened in the manpower area to our own Singaporeans.
Personally, I take it upon myself through these nearly 40 years to train and create as many jobs & opportunities for fellow Singaporeans especially younger ones into and in the banking industry with my limited personal time, constrained firm's resources, network, structure and knowledge. I am still at it as a thankful and loyal beneficiary to my fellow Singaporeans. I have spent millions of my own hard earned money on young Singaporeans and supported many and glad that some are holding senior & well paying banking jobs & some as skillful risk taking fund managers/traders. For many years my small firm trained, provided risk capital and paid 5 to 12 young Singaporean graduates each year and helped them to get a foothold into the industry, since 2003.
As Rcvd:
Philip Wen
I was asked this question about CECA. This is wholly my personal opinion based on my experience.
Are there sectors of our economy to which Singaporeans can contribute equally well if not better than foreign manpower?
The banking and finance sectors are where Singaporeans have excelled in. Singaporeans have worked very well with fellow Asians and Westerners forming an excellent symbiotic bridge thus establishing Singapore itself as a Major Financial center globally. We did this with only a sprinkling of expats with the majority being locally born and raised Singaporeans. During the 1980s, 90s and 2000s, we had expats coming in but not in droves. As a senior Trader in FX and Bonds, I actually trained many overseas Bankers who came to Singapore to LEARN from us. They came from regional banks throughout Asia including the Reserve bank of India! Our expertise in the Banking field has no equal within Asia including Tokyo and HK. This is because of our usage of English as the common language and the natural abilities to pick up new financial products which helped propelled Singapore into becoming the "Switzerland of the East." There is absolutely NO WAY that these "so-called foreign talents" in the past few years could have outperformed Singaporeans in the field of Banking.
I often visited Mumbai- "the financial center of India" to introduce new products and hi-tech trading platforms to their team of "experts". Some of these offices do not even have air-conditioning with open windows and floor standing fans scattered everywhere! The entire trading department has only ONE Bloomberg terminal to be shared amongst the lot of them! In TATA head office, they still use rattan and school chairs and desks as office furniture! During certain periods of their hot season, they have frequent power outages causing their internet network to crash and we have to climb up 25 floors. They don't even have their own dedicated phone lines. PCs and trading platforms need to be shared- each with their different login passwords!! Please remember that this was the state of affairs in the early 2000s! Not in the 1960s or 70s!!
How can they possibly be considered "talented" when the infrastructure they have cannot even support daily work activities?
How can they be "talented" when the majority doesn't even meet a foreigner on a daily basis to discuss international trading activities and financial stuff?
How can they be "talented" when their Indian rupee is tightly controlled and not traded internationally?? With severe currency controls, their FX, Equities, Bonds, and Capital assets are not even traded internationally and are out of bounds to all except local Indians.
Lacking in international banking and finance exposure and credentials in their own country, CECA Indians promptly replaced our experienced local PMETs in all fields of FX, Bonds, traders, marketing, back office, front office, compliance, risk management, public relations, relationship managers, investment banker, capital market experts, fixed-income analysts, anti-money laundering, HR, onboarding and more such jobs in the Banking sector. Jobs robbed from Singaporeans under the very noses of our "so-called talented" government. Nobody in the government actually did any studies about the Indians' suitability in these 126 professions before opening the gates to paradise!
Through CECA, they have leapfrogged our years of toil, banking culture, and sacrifices of generations of Singaporeans to take over the world's 5th largest Financial Center!
Meanwhile, Mumbai Financial Center is ranked a lowly "65" in 2020! Even Kuala Lumpur fared better at 47 despite the ongoing 1 MDB fiasco and government corruption. Mumbai - grappling with overpopulation, extreme poverty, corruption at all levels. Yet, they are deemed better than us in terms of talents.
CECA has in fact caused a " knowledge and talent" drain in favor of our Indian neighbours by providing them with a comfortable working environment. Provide them with very very high pay. Provide them with homes and places to enjoy this beautiful island nation. When their job is done in Singapore, they will simply return home and replicate what they have learned from Singapore. Meanwhile, our local PMETs serve them now as taxi drivers, GRAB deliveries, cleaners, security officers........
In summary, we created paradise only to give it away to foreigners.
I will stop here. I have to drive GRAB to make a livin

28 comments:

Anonymous said...

Do u find it odd when central bank chief Ravi Menon on Thursday gave speech that there may be a need for a property gains tax or an inheritance tax in Singapore? Thought such fiscal policies are normally set/announced by Prime Minister or Finance Minister.

Anonymous said...

If no drastic policy changes are made immediately, Singapore would be taken over by the foreigners. And you can thank the imbeciles for it.

Anonymous said...

Looking at all the things that are happening recently in Singapore, with foreigners flooding into the city state and taking over important positions and industries, and the imbeciles unable to resist, unable to do anything about them, these are clear signs that the Chinese majority have lost political power and control of the island.

They are waiting for the PM to vacate his position, for medical reasons or be forced out, in a matter of time. Then the plotters would openly take over the island and rule over the Chinese majority.

The PM's days are numbered, maybe a bargain, a face saving phase not to make it look too bad and embarrassing.

This could be the real politiking that is going on behind our backs.

Anonymous said...

Don't talk cock lah, SSO. Ravi Menon was born and bred in Singapore, went to RI and NUS.

Anonymous said...

Yup, Putu is not.

SSO said...
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SSO said...

Thanks for pointing out. Mistook him for another ex-Indian national. My sincere apologies to all and sundry.

SSO said...
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Anonymous said...

SSO. I know Ravi Menon. He was my year, and his potential was identified since LKY's time. If you are trying to imply that he is treasonous to sell out SIngapore for India, God help you. I think POFMA is not far behind either for you, or this site. Don't be stupid, bro. Think wisely.

Anonymous said...

Ease Travel Restrictions for Vaccinated 'Indian' with Singapore

Srinath Reddy started this petition to Singapore Government

Seeking entry approval for Indian travelers with valid work visa and their dependents, foreign students and other pass holders. Who produce a vaccination certificate issued by the India government.

Singapore has continued to tightened the border restrictions which have severely affected many Indian travelers in multiple ways. Working from India is disallowed by SG based companies which directly affects livelihood (salary cut) of stranded Indians which in turn negatively impacts our lives and family. The renewal of work permits or employment passes/other passes are at risk, In some cases they were cancelled. Students are unable to resume education and poses huge uncertainty in their progression.

Family ties remains distant for more than a year. This has deeply affected the mental health as many family members haven’t seen each other for prolonged period. People including non-pass holders are unable to provide required care for their own family members for Non-Emergency Medical Needs (i.e. To assist pregnant woman, unwell child, aged parents which need a regular health monitoring & utmost care for them).

Overall, border closure has massively affected us, thus would like to seek your attention to assist us in this tough time in addition to Pandemic. On the other side, It is key to note that situation in India has the improved a lot. New positive cases have significantly reduced and vaccination drive is accelerating. (MoHFW India)

While we perfectly understand the SG situation and respect their protocols. We would also like them to know what we are going through tough times, So that at least some of the issues could be remotely resolved if not all, until the situation gets better.

Anonymous said...

Reasons for signing

Kirit Patel·1 day ago
Instead of allowing girlfriends from Viatnem, it would be nice for family to be allowed back.

Lohith babu Avadhani·2 days ago
Me and my daughter are stuck here in India for more than 4 months and got twice the permission and got canceled by MOM and my wife alone struggling in SG without any support. Am already a vaccinated. Requesting, to give an approval for us to travel.

Deepanjali Tiwari·2 days ago
My husband is in Singapore,who is ep holder there.Me and my son are stucked in India from an year..we want to reunite asap.kindly give us approval,atleast to those who are fully vaccinated

Nithya p·1 day ago
Came to india due to medical emergency n family.please allows us to return to SG

Rupali Katti·20 hours ago
People have been in Singapore without their family for more than a year so those who are vaccinated should be allowed as it is difficult to stay for such long without family.

Vinay Reddy·21 hours ago
Please Permit Indians who are vaccinated to come back to Singapore. A lot of employees and students and their families are awaiting eagerly and their jobs and careers will be in stake, of not. Kindly consider.

Ravindra Rampuria·23 hours ago
Agreed. Those who are fully vaccinated should be allowed to travel to Singapore. Many of us have been separated from our families, parents, spouses and children etc. for extended period of time and we adjusted to Govt regulations diligently as it was in best interest of everyone and safekeeping of all here in Singapore. Now we have millions of folks vaccinated already in India and millions are getting vaccinated every week as we speak. So it is only fair to unite families and provide some relief to the them and reduce mental trauma and emotional distress faced by hundreds of families. I hope Govt looks at it seriously to maintain the mental health as well as social and family structure integrity in mind when deciding as this will cause long term serious impact to families and society in general.

YS Padmini Yeleswarapu·23 hours ago
Families have seperated due to this
If vaccinated, they should be Low risk
Anyway if there is a QO for 3 weeks - why should they not be allowed to come to S’pore. After all they are coming back home, not on a social visit

Sunny Ang·12 hours ago
it is really tough for families to be separated. we really need the support of both Sg and Indian govt to allow families to be reunited in difficult times like this.
There are family members who are sick, pregnant in Sg who need to be taken care of.
Covid situation in India has improved tremendously with cases reducing everyday.
Please arrange for all who wish to be reunited to go back to India.

Shilpa Vanama·22 hours ago
Requesting government to ease travel restrictions for India.
My husband has not seen his May 2020 daughter at all since she born .. and my elder son 5 years old asks why I can't meet daddy It's becoming difficult to answer him and explain him the situation. Atleast government can help us in thinking some way out and help families unite. As Covid 19 is giving hard time but separating from family is also equally hard.

Anonymous said...

SUDHAKAR S
1 day ago
Indians (working people and students) must be protected anywhere in this world.

Avish Sengupta
1 day ago
Vaccinated persons pose a very Low risk of COVID-19 and should be allowed to travel with minimum restrictions

Nandita Das
1 day ago
I visited Singapore more than 10 times and just now I wanted to visit Singapore for my leisure time spent

Prathibha Nair
1 day ago
Many people are stranded, please allow travel for EP and DP in and out of Singapore

Srikanth Rathod
1 day ago
I have valid EP visa and stuck in India from last 3 months and my family with 2 kids are back in Singapore this has become night mare for me and my family back in Singapore as my Wife is mentally disturbed due to not able to handle 2 infants 3 years and 6months old , I want Singapore Govt to add this exception for Indian vaccinated person to travel back Singapore.

I am vaccinated 2 doses and have certificate from cowin Indian Govt.

Please help approve this petition.

Jino John
1 day ago
I too am an Indian national who holds LTVP in singapore and has a valid job LOC. I am currently working and this ban on Indian nationals has affected my work as I cannot return immediately. I know this is affecting a lot of families as people are loosing jobs due to this. I believe even dependant pass holders and LTVP are also contributing to Singapore’s economy and are tax payers too, due to which what Singapore govt is now doing to us is total injustice.

Hetal Chauhan
1 day ago
1. India should be treated same as other countries.
2. Vaccination data gives the comfortable state of situation in India
3. Countries that were open such as Vietnam, Indonesia until few weeks back are also bringing infection then why to treat India differently?
4. The social fabric and support structure in singapore is disturbed leaving people in stress of handling work, home, kids specially working women those need family support

Ratika Tantia
1 day ago
My husband is stuck in India like many others since 4 months. He went to do last rites for his father. Is that wrong??? I am here with two small kids and one of them is infant.

Anonymous said...

I find JHK/JHB more threatening than CECAs in job market

They are the most scheming and political of the bunch.

Those work in accounting and finance will know.

In front of you act normal, but during meetings or appraisal backstab gao gao.

Asking salary damn low to depress wages to get into SG, then work less than 2 years got PR and no need quota. Then hire their own kind.

Sinkie less than 2yrs cannot even ORD. Shows you how easy it is to get PR.

Their half past six english is so bad, they suck at client facing roles that deal with westerners; and sinkies either gotta talk to western clients or proof read and edit JHK emails.

Then sinkies every CNY got to sacrifice own extended holiday plans so these group of leeches get to go back their country.

When sinkie perform well in office and ask for pay raise, boss will ask "what is your value add?"

When JHK ask for pay raise and say their rental increase (mostly lies), boss say "okay no problem".

If right now I am the only one person with the cure to covid-19 in my hands and I have JHKs lined up in front of me asking me for the cure, I will rather throw the cure into the sea.

Anonymous said...

JHK are well known backstabbing snakes all the way back before the CECA deal was even drawn up.

They like to play office politics and especially love to backstab Singaporeans while helping their own JHK clique.

Their favourite game is pitting Singaporean against each other by gossiping and backstabbing one side to pit against the other side that way they can climb up the ladder.

Also I find it strange some people say can't differentiate JHK. Either you have not have much exposure with them or just plain lying.

JHK accent is extremely noticeable especially when they speak mandarin. You can straight away out them for a JHK once they speak. It is that plain obvious. They don't sound anywhere close to the Singaporean accent.

Anonymous said...

RB, looks like there is one Anti-Chinese racist from India spamming and flooding your site with Anti-Singapore and Anti-Chinese postings.

Chua Chin Leng蔡镇龍 aka redbean said...

Ya, let's see what he would post next.

Anonymous said...

What is JHK and JHB?
Job-Hop Kind and
Job-Hop Bastards ?

Anonymous said...

Petition to allow Indian workers into Singapore for livelihood reasons | Tamil Micset Singapore

July 24, 2021

Request has been made to issue entry permits to Indian travelers and their dependents, foreign students and other licensed holders of valid work permit visas with vaccination certificates issued by the Government of India.

While Indian travel has been severely affected by restrictions in many ways, Singapore has tightened border controls.

When is it possible to plan to resume travel? - Minister Information.!
Impact on livelihood

Working from India is not allowed by Singapore based companies. It directly affects the livelihood of Indians. It negatively affects the lives and families of many.

Renewal of work permit or employment permit and other permits are at risk, in some cases they are revoked. Students are unable to resume education and their future is at stake.
Family relationships

Family relationships have separated their loved ones for more than a year, which has severely affected their mental health.

Overall, this border closure has greatly affected the public, thus creating an environment to deal with this difficult situation in addition to the epidemic.

Dangerous truck trips, alternative ways to ensure the safety of foreign workers ..!
Level improvement in India

On the other hand, it should be noted that the situation in India has improved a lot.

The Indians also demanded that the vaccine be expedited there.
We respect Singapore's ethics

Affected Indians are asking us to understand the situation in Singapore and value their ethics and to understand our situation as well.

Until the situation improves again, at least some of the problems can be solved, is the request of Indians affected by border restrictions who have work and study visas in Singapore.

So far more than 3,000 people have signed the petition.

Anonymous said...

Fabsash, [24.07.21 17:38]
Petition signed.. my Dp expired in July and I got extension only for 2 months. Anyone had similar situation. Any reason why they wouldn't give 3 months extension

Shanmuga Sundaram, [24.07.21 17:54]
@SrinathBI our petition posted in Singapore tamil news, great effort

Shobhna, [24.07.21 17:57]
This group has more than 4000 members, we should have crossed that number of signs by now 🙂 we are a little below 4K signs. Am sure will cross 5K

Khushboo M, [24.07.21 18:08]
can share this link with family and frnds also

Khushboo M, [24.07.21 18:08]
can share this link with family and frnds also

Karan KT, [24.07.21 18:24]
That's pleasant to hear that a local news channel at least made first publish. Do you have link?

Khushboo M, [24.07.21 18:08]
can share this link with family and frnds also

Karan KT, [24.07.21 18:24]
That's pleasant to hear that a local news channel at least made first publish. Do you have link?

Karan KT, [24.07.21 18:25]
I guess whoever has valid VISA or a short term traveller unable to travel with compelling reason , should be signing. It's each and everyone of those stuck.

Khushboo M, [24.07.21 18:08]
can share this link with family and frnds also

Karan KT, [24.07.21 18:24]
[In reply to Shanmuga Sundaram]
That's pleasant to hear that a local news channel at least made first publish. Do you have link?

Karan KT, [24.07.21 18:25]
[In reply to Khushboo M]
I guess whoever has valid VISA or a short term traveller unable to travel with compelling reason , should be signing. It's each and everyone of those stuck.

SRiNATH, [24.07.21 19:53]
Please sign the petition, more signatures are required to ease the travel restriction from India to Singapore.

Show you support & share with your friends and family ✍️

Thanks for everyone 🙏
http://chng.it/Q6sSjsKFKx

Anonymous said...

At a public forum on race relations on Saturday (July 24), which was organised by government feedback unit Reach and Chinese daily Lianhe Zaobao, one participant asked why the majority race in Singapore should not be given the right to decide on the direction to take in issues like education and language use, like in other countries. Another had lamented that minority groups were given more and more concessions, but the Chinese were still accused of always having their way.

Noting that these are not mainstream views (sure or not?), Home Affairs and Law Minister K. Shanmugam added that they were dangerous and could lead Singapore down a slippery slope. He added that he was sad at the tone and substance of these questions.

During the dialogue, the minister was also asked about a WhatsApp message, purportedly written by a former Malaysian living in Singapore, who said Singaporean Chinese were naive for allowing Indians to "dominate almost all Singapore's national institutions", such as the Judiciary and the Cabinet.

Describing the message as "nasty, dangerous", Mr Shanmugam said it was worse than the racist sentiments uttered by a Ngee Ann Polytechnic lecturer who had scolded an Indian man for "preying on Chinese women".

"That was crude and unacceptable, but this is poison, and it's dripping poison," said the minister.

Anonymous said...

The majority are not fed with poison but being boiled to death without knowing it.

Anonymous said...

During the dialogue, the minister was also asked about a WhatsApp message, purportedly written by a former Malaysian living in Singapore, who said Singaporean Chinese were naive for allowing Indians to "dominate almost all Singapore's national institutions", such as the Judiciary and the Cabinet.

To some this is nasty and poison. It is good that this was spoken as this undercurrent is very strong, but the imbeciles think everything is fine because no one dares to talk about it. Hopefully the imbeciles would be shocked and waken up to their folly and correct their mistakes before this under current blew up or found it too late to do anything.

This bunch of imbeciles have adopted the ostrich mentality, nothing seen, nothing heard, so everything is fine. They needed the people to yell into their ears before they want to listen and face the painful truth.

Or would Shanmugam wish that this is not spoken so no one would know about it, pretend that all is fine, pretend not to know how unhappy the ground is and let it rot?

Anonymous said...

They want to talk about race issues but did not want to listen, did not want to know the truth. And when people talked about it, they got angry, just like asking PSP to raise the Ceca issue in Parliament but unable to take the heat and raised the racism flag.

Anonymous said...

The foreigners should send the petition to the President and PM. They may not bother about petitions put up by Singaporeans but would definitely look into the petition raised by foreigners.

Foreigners are more important to them than Singaporeans. And they may even feel compassionate to foreigners losing jobs but could not careless about Singapore PMETs losing jobs and unable to raise their families.

Singaporeans you die your business. Got to take care of foreigners esp the locals.

Anonymous said...

While they praised and flattered the imbeciles to sky high for their exceptional talent and lullaby them to sleep, they started to nibble away bit by bit. Now only the Defence Ministry and PM office are waiting to be taken.

The imbeciles still cannot see the big picture. Their control is now dwindle to a small circle. And they think their greatest enemies are the opposition and fighting the opposition furiously, tooth and nail, while their backs are left unguarded.

Stupidity has no cure. They could not see where the knife is coming from.

Anonymous said...

Now that they have taken practically all that is important, the next move would be a big move, it would be like a lightning bolt. Now they are growing in confidence and audacity and would no longer nibble or hide their intention, but bite a big chunk like the crocodiles.

Anonymous said...

Is this Philip Wen the same as the Singapore journalist who was kicked out of China sometime back? Or is it different guy?

Chua Chin Leng蔡镇龍 aka redbean said...

Not sure. Would Philip want to fill us in on this?