Ministerial Salary Review - Time to ask the minister

How much do you want? As the salary or money issue continues to engage the daft Sinkies, I would suggest that they get real. Throw away all the fictitious and fallacious assumptions and formulas. There is no right or wrong answer. What is right to the ministers may not be right to the people and vice versa. What is right to one minister may be wrong to another.

Let’s just ask them how much they want and spare everyone from ridiculing themselves and their credibility with all kinds of rubbish proposals. It is a very destructive exercise. It destroys respectabilty and dignity when people came up with packages that are just good for a laugh. I would suggest the ministers themselves come out with 3 options, be it $3m, $5m, or $10m (no more complicated formulas or bonuses) and let the people, the small shareholders of this piece of rock, to vote for it. Oh, include another option for ‘Sorry, reject’. No need for more deceptions, pretensions and contrived logics to be morally correct, righteous, upright, need to pay talent or attract talent, need to prevent corruption, etc etc. No need any explanation or excuses. No bull shits, no high falutins.

Just simply say how much and vote. Better to put up during a GE and save one more voting process. Let’s not waste any more time and effort on something that nobody has a good or acceptable answer. I think it will be more dignified to tell the world that the people approved the salary and voted for it, instead of all the goose pimple explanations that people would only snigger in the toilets and became the butt of silly jokes in cocktail parties.


Anonymous said...

Bundle that vote, to vote for the release our CPF in lump sum just like what alll these greedy buggers were getting for their pension. PUI !! I don't want to have all these hoops and loops winkies have to go through before even getting a piece meal/ token portion of what is rightfully ours !!! ASK MINISTER TO GIVE BACK OUR CPF MONEY , no ifs and buts !!!!

Chua Chin Leng aka redbean said...

CPF is something very close to the Sinkie hearts. And they are very angry. Now this, more angry.

Ⓜatilah $ingapura⚠️ said...

Angry about nothing. Bloody sad cunts, they are. CPF is tax. Pay the tax and be done, grab what you can when you can. Singapore has so many opportunities to "recover" the sunken cost of CPF.

But oh no no no. Instead of being RATIONAL and REASONABLE about it, the entitlement mentality welfare junkies want what started off as a LIE -- which they all agreed to BTW -- to all of a sudden be a TRUTH.

It's like finding out that religion is bullshit, then wanting "compensation " from the mosque, church or temple. This is a sign of mental fucked-upness.

Sure we all get angry. But only stupid LOSERS stay angry, and do nothing --except shoot their chee bye mouths off -- to solve their situation. No personal responsibility type motherfuckers. Always the ass-raped "victim ". Always someone else's fault -- the government being the easiest target.

Fuck these losers. So many damn shiok things to do in Hotel Singapore. And the opportunities for sex... Aiyoh... Lot's and lot's of pretty young things and hot slutty MILFs... Wah, even thinking about it is stimulating.

How to be unhappy? Damn hard lah! I'm so looking forward to CNY celebration! But I'm looking forward to the sex even more!

I HEART Hotel Singapore!

Ⓜatilah $ingapura⚠️ said...
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Chua Chin Leng aka redbean said...

Matilah, the day for the revenge of the losers is akan datang.

The wheel of fortune will keep turning. It is like the glory of empires. Times up and next change with new empires.

The winners and losers could trade places. It has happened before. The pigs would be chased out of the farm.

Ⓜatilah $ingapura⚠️ said...

The old Swiss system used by people living in Cantons adopted a system similar to the one suggested by redbean.

The people essentially decide and agree on how much tax to pay, and out of those taxes, how much to pay their government admins. So if you stand for election you implicitly agree. The money available thru tax is FIXED. Any increase -- like say to build a carpark has to be put to a vote by the people. The same applies to increasing the wage of public employees -- the people consider the reasons, then vote to increase the pay of the public servant or reject it altogether.

Once upon a time Singapore used to claim to follow a Swiss model. What happened??

Ⓜatilah $ingapura⚠️ said...

Redbean, I notice you like to talk in metaphor and make useless predictions about the future which have no basis in fact. Lucky you have me to bring some science to this blog.

When I state, for eg, that CPF is a tax and sunken cost, I break my balls if necessary to explain it. So far NO ONE, not even you, has been able to refute my point. Te best you can come with is making the UNSUBSTANTIATED CLAIM that cpf is a "right". Please, balek kampung lah!

Politics is a powe game, and thus the dynamics are described more like the mathematical power relationships described by folks like Pareto, and a brilliant academic called Thomas Schelling, who is still alive at 90!

You have to consider phase transitions in the social context ie the change of one political ideology to another... Not so easy to acieve especially if the society is stable. And Singapore is stable. The noise you hear are the losers screaming and wailing. The "winners" are doing well, so as a MAJORITY they are silent. (no time to complain. Business is booming!!)

So please lah. Talk straight

Chua Chin Leng aka redbean said...

If you look at what is happening you will know that the wind is changing. Just a few months ago, the high salary for ministers is indisputable. Now the ministers too would not dare to defend it. Suddenly it becomes indefensible. And when the recommendations came up, it was quickly accepted with the cuts. No table thumping in Parliament or hear hear. No more roaring laughters and cynical comments.

This is happening, and a few months ago they were still clamouring for more increases by raising the President's pay. See how the mindset changes, how the logic changes, how things that were reasonable become ridiculous with nothing changes?

See the halo of super talents and super salary disappearing from above their heads?

The CPF thing is a wrong that must be corrected. This will come very soon. So far no opposition party is brave enough to take this issue on as their election platform. When they do, the table will be turned. It is an indefensible issue and a core issue at the hearts of many losers who only got what is there in their CPF.

Look at the fuck HDB policies that are being overturned by Khaw Boon Wan. Once high and mighty policies a few months ago, now shattered to pieces and the protagonists gone into hiding. Would they dare to come out again to defend them? They will get a harder lashing and less graceful by the time they know what hits them.

History has the bad habit of making a wrong right again. Like you quoted, you can't cheat an honest man. Neither can you cheat all the people all the time.

Chua Chin Leng aka redbean said...

I used to claim this in the past and I repeat. No opposition party can defeat the PAP. Only the PAP can defeat itself by imploding.

This applies to the Americans. Only the Americans will be able to break it apart. And they will do it. Bush had started the rot and it is now a hollow core.

Anonymous said...

Matilah , if only you can see the light and fight together with your fellow sinkies to claw back our blood money. The original intent of having a CPF was indeed for the retired to drawn down as a lump sump, this is a fact. Now the shameless PAPPY wan to change the rules of the game thinking sinkies will just lie down and take it up the ass ... sorry mate, Sinkies are waking up. The anger of the mob cannott be underestimated.

Anonymous said...

Make CPF an election issue , let PAPPY know , the people intent to collect CPF as what it was meant to be in the first place. If ministers could collect a pension , then the ordinary folk's pension is the CPF !!

CPF is the ordinary folk's pension !

Anonymous said...

Lead by example.

Collect pension at 55. Collect one lump sum at 55 option. Collect in million dollars for life. No minimum sum got stuck. No minimum sum for Medisave.

If leaders can do it, why people must suffer and not allow to take back their money?

Anonymous said...

Let's come up with a CPF moniker and chant this al over singapore, from blog to blog ; orum to forum :

PAP give CPF back to people !!!!

Anonymous said...

Lelong LeLong Minster Pay
Kelong Kelong CPF Pay !!!

Return_My_Blood_Money_CPF said...

CPF First !!

Ⓜatilah $ingapura⚠️ said...

anon 327

It is interesting that you've asked me to "see the light" (whatever that means)

I've made it clear time and again -- I have NO DOG IN THIS "FIGHT" -- the "fight" of punching at shadows.

I like HOTEL Singapore exactly how it is -- I'm having a great time reaping the benefits of being "formless" and able to live in various global locations whilst still being legally defined as a "Singaporean". Be clear: it is a legal definition, not an "emotional" one, and the arrangement suits my self-interested pursuits just fine.

I have many friends in Singapore who are doing alright too. None of us "love" the government, but as long as they don't fuck up too badly...and make a reasonable defence of the culture of MERITOCRACY, that is quite satisfactory. Anyway as I keep reminding people ad naseum, like a boring old broken record:

The People Get The Government They Deserve. Since the silent majority of Singaporeans are materialists (lke myself) and understand that you need to mind your own business in this life, they get a government who is "in tune" with tis idea of MERITOCRACY.

Unfortunately the "noise" comes from people who lack the wherewithal to govern themselves properly and seek to upset the applecart just because they "buay tahan" a few government "wrongs" -- and they are "wrongs", I will agree.

But ALL GOVERNMENTS are harmful to the people. What to do? as long as you have cars, you will have accidents. If you have public swimming pools, you will get drownings. If you have government, you will get the corruption absolute power brings and that will be exhibited in: injustice, nepotism, crony capitalism, cck ups, arrogance...feel free to add to the list.

So what lah? Changing government will only bring a new breed eventually doing the same things. So to me better the devil you know.

As you already gather, I don't subscribe to all this negativity and welfare-state mentality: that just because you can't afford something , like healthcare, that gives you an automatic claim on others who happen to have more than you.

That is THEFT pure and simple. Calling it "politics" or "wealth distribution", or ascribing a pithy saying: to each according to his need, from each according to his ability doesn't change the fact that this is STEALING FROM YOUR FELLOW MAN.

That is why I encourage people by discouraging the welfare-mentality (beggar or thief), inform people that if they just changed their mind, they too might be able to "succeed" in Singapore, and take advantage of the NEW OPPORTUNITIES created by opening up the borders, increasing the population, and raising the bar of meritocracy.

The signs are good: A token cutting of ministerial salaries, and the "discovery" of faults in the management of public transport.

Folks, its all a big learning curve. Government assholes and jealous opposition no-standard-one-lah aside, what the fuck have you got to complain about?

Forget CPF lah. It's a lost cause. Did they do you wrong? Of course. But face the UGLY TRUTH: ==> YOU <== bought into the BIG LIE so ==> YOU <== are definitely partly to blame

Guess what: You Can't CHEAT an HONEST man

Anonymous said...

What to do? as long as you have cars, you will have accidents. If you have public swimming pools, you will get drownings.

If you have a weeny, you'll squirt goat milk.

Anonymous said...

Singaporeans have been wasting time at trying their best to contribute to nation building by telling directly and indirectly to the Leadership in whatever way they can.
BUT, what happen after all these years of unsolicited active participations by the Citizens??? They are treated liked invisible, untouchable and lesser mortal, why???

Here Redbean talks about dignity, morality, righteousness and talent etc. Other than scheming and acting talents, ALL OTHER VIRTUOUS ASPECT ARE UNLIKELY TO BE FOUND IN CONSCIENCE-LESS FOLKS.

Where can one finds dignity and respectability in GREEDY FOLKS???


M_S_just_comes_for_Food_and_Women said...

Matilah ... I am floored by your very eloquent but somehow disturbing argument you have put forth. I have a sneaky suspicion , you are quite a well to do "citizen of the world" but holding a sinkie passport for the ease of bureaucracy to travel around, bloke. Good on You ! Congrats for making it in life despite your louzy PSLE which would have caste 99% of these failures to a bleak blue collar workforce. So , your situation belongs to the minority. So in effect , you are riding on the tail coats of the "powers that be" , you are out of the system. Of course , you have no bone to fight , no skin in the game , except to visit sinkieland for sex and booze. Majority 0f the average joe sinkie are not as "free spirited" as you ... these are the majority of the ah peks and aunties who are being robbed blind by the PAPPY dogs. WE WANT A MORE EQUITABBLE FUTURE ! RB is aiming at the sinkies who are living , breathing and working for an honest living in this small red dot.

Anonymous said...

Matilah is adaptable, clever, colorless and most importantly, he knows his fleeting existence in this world must not go to waste. He has his own life to live and live as meaningfully as he deems proper.
HE CANNOT BE FAULTED FOR THE WAY HE LIVES HIS LIFE. In fact, he lives a far better life than most and it can be seen that he depends on nobody, he owes nobody a living and depends on nobody to survive. He has a brilliant strategy in living and can afford to sneer at anyone.
Must say that IF EVERYONE IS A Matilah, this world will be perfect. This world will be more more perfect if it has only Matilah as its' oni inhabitant.

Anonymous said...

I can be floored by his goat milk

Anonymous said...

FW: Spore President Tony Tan lost nearly $42 billion dollars of Singapore¹s money.

GCT, "If you pay peanut, you get monkey."
.......But how come we were still given a monkey?

Singapore President Tony Tan lost nearly $42 billion dollars of Singapore’s soverign wealth
Singapore President Tony Tan
Singapore President Tony Tan
Tony Tan’s track record at Government of Investment Corporation (GIC) has been a disaster. According to the Wall Street Journal, during his time as Deputy Chairman, GIC lost approximately $42 billion.
In January 2008, just when investors are shorting U.S. banks, Tony Tan spent billions of dollars of Singapore taxpayers’ monies to invest in Citigroup and UBS.
To justify his reckless actions, Tony Tan said in an interview with the Business Times, “In the case of UBS, they have a worldwide global wealth management business which is something not replicable by any bank. Citigroup has an international worldwide consumer business which is also unique.”
At the time, Jim Rogers, a former partner of George Soros in the famed Quantum Fund, said he felt “sad” for Singapore as it would be losing a lot of money.
Rogers continued, “They’re making a big mistake; these banks have many more problems still ahead. They should wait until these companies are really on the ropes a few years from now . . . and trading at $5 a share.”
Rogers also expressed doubts about the capability of GIC’s fund managers, including Tony Tan, “I know these people, and they have never given me the impression that they’re smarter than anyone else…They have gigantic amounts of money, but they’ve made a bad judgment in these cases.”
A few months later, the value of GIC’s shares in Citigroup and UBS crashed after both got mired in toxic debts during the 2008 global financial crisis.
The news was naturally censored by the Singapore media, but the Wall Street Journal reported that GIC suffered a loss around 59 billion Singapore dollars (US$41.6 billion) in 2008, making it one of the worst years for the sovereign wealth fund since it was established in 1981.
Now, Tony Tan is Singapore’s president.

Anonymous said...

I think she will be blinded by the protein.

Anonymous said...

If ministers can commute their pension into a lumpsum n withdraw all of it at age 55, citizens should be allowed to withdraw all their OWN cpf in 1 lumpsum at age 55.Juz imagine PAP justifying why the pension should be abolished but keeping it for themselves.Totally corrupt !!!

Anonymous said...

Eh Tony , do something right for the people for once in your life time can ? Help the ordinary folks to get their CPF back in one lump sum ? Like that , we just might forgive you for the billions of tax-payer's money lost and the shenanigans with the NS saga. CAN ? or CANNOT ? you decide.

Anonymous said...


Absolutely brilliant idea.

Every politician must state in his election manifesto;

a)What he wants to do in Parliament if elected

b)Expected salary

c)When he will return our CPF money back to Singaporeans if elected.

Now that's transparency.
Now everybody can vote wisely in GE 2016.

Chua Chin Leng aka redbean said...

This is what democracy is all about. Vote for the politician or party that will serve your interest, not their own interests.

Ⓜatilah $ingapura⚠️ said...

Anons 706 (M_S_just_comes_for_Food_and_Women) and 731:

I thank you for your (fairly) rational and reasonable responses. So much better than the insipid ejaculations of (perhaps) some other anons. I have no idea of telling any of you apart or actually knowing the number.


>> I have a sneaky suspicion , you are quite a well to do "citizen of the world" but holding a sinkie passport for the ease of bureaucracy to travel around,

Partly correct – the passport part. But I am no Buffet or Gates, but I do ok, sometimes. I know how to live and how to get by. Most of the time I fight thru shit.

>> So , your situation belongs to the minority <

Yes. The INDIVIDUAL is the SMALLEST MINORITY in the universe ;-) … in case you've forgotten.

>> you are riding on the tail coats of the "powers that be" , you are out of the system

Yes and Yes. Loud and proud too! Do what you need to do to “win”. Don't hurt others. I am not hurting others. Riding on someone's success doesn't affect them or anyone else adversely. If you don't take opportunity right in front of you, and you fail, guess whose fault that is ? (no prizes)

>> Majority 0f the average joe sinkie are not as "free spirited" as you

...and I should care because...??

What? Do I owe them something or other? I should waste my energy getting into a negative space and feel “guilty”? Is it my fault that they've chosen a paticular limited view of themselves and the world?

>>  these are the majority of the ah peks and aunties who are being robbed blind by the PAPPY dogs.

I don't believe you. You are making this stuff up. They are just stingy and don't want to pay. So they blame the government. EVERYBODY has to pay. Unless of course you live in some other ficticious world, where the roads are paved with gold and the trees are full of honey and chocolate.


So the government job is to provide you with this? Get real lah!

>>  In fact, he lives a far better life than most and it can be seen that he depends on nobody, he owes nobody a living and depends on nobody to survive

Not true AT ALL. I have solid networks where we all depend on each other. We “owe” each other and we “pay” each other. It's called reciprocity. Most important survival and “winning” tool: QUAN XI.

No such thing as “self sufficiency”. We need other people to be wealthy. Most of those people are strangers.

>> Must say that IF EVERYONE IS A Matilah, this world will be perfect.

Wrong again.

No one could ever be one single example of a human (scientific fact). This world is “perfect” already – ie no scientific laws are violated, every wroks according to how it is supposed to.

Prease_Majulah_lah_Matilah said...

hahahahaha Matilah , point well argued and taken. Beer on me ( virtual beer, of course lah ) but fair is fair, you've made some good points. Best of all , not a single swear word sial . Relac brudder. RB , no offence horr , this entry by Matilah is a rather enjoyable read.

Ⓜatilah $ingapura⚠️ said...

If you serious about the beer, I'll be hanging out @ HV Walla2, Harry's ...any alcoholics' haven in Lor Mambong from 2nd day CNY.

Look for balding uncle with nice smile, always with tablet computer on, usually accompanied by someone you would like to fuck (but cannot because she's with me)

See you!

Chua Chin Leng aka redbean said...

oh Matilah, you coming back for the new year. Wally was dying to meet you. Hope he is reading this and find time to have a pint with you.

Ⓜatilah $ingapura⚠️ said...
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Ⓜatilah $ingapura⚠️ said...

I'm very easy to spot, especially in HV where I have most of my "meetings". Look for slightly botak uncle, with chee ko pek face and always got either laptop, net book or most commonly -- tablet computer. 24/7 connected to internet. The Connected Apek. Can't miss one.

Nowadays I don't bother with Boat Quay or Clarke Quay except when I'm invited.

My hangouts are HV and occasionally Joo Chiat -- better for "eye candy", and plenty Hotel 81 inthe area :-))

CNY eve and 1st day -- only place to be: China Town. Favourite hotels: Keong Siak kai (恭锡路)

Happy Dragon Year!!

Chua Chin Leng aka redbean said...

Patriot, like to organise a get together to meet this beach bum? Everyone here can join in and tear him apart. It will be Dutch and everyone can bring his own beer or samsu: )

Ⓜatilah $ingapura⚠️ said...

Wah gang warfare ah?

Are you sure you can jalan or not? Beware, you come inside my kampung. All the shop keepers, kopi-kia and bar tenders know me.

Dun pray pray ok?

Anonymous said...

C Leng;

we maybe too old for his liking leh.

and the sweeties with him may just give us the cold shoulders as we are not used to sweet talks, how?


Chua Chin Leng aka redbean said...

Patriot, no need to worry lah. We can always turn on our charm and give him some competition. We are on par at least when balding is concerned: )

Anonymous said...

Can You All handle his profanity and belittling or not?

Chua Chin Leng aka redbean said...

In this blog I am the host and must set good example. We have quite a wild exchange many years back in STBlog.

I started life in the longkangs and all the best of vulgarities I have used them. It is that when you get out of the shit you do not want to continue to smell like shit and look like shit anymore. No point getting an education and to still carry the longkang smell everywhere you go and people can identify you immediately as rubbish or shit stuff.

We need to choose what we think is good and stay away from the not so good stuff. In his turf, I need not be polite if I don't have to: )

Ⓜatilah $ingapura⚠️ said...

Redbean, you talk about longkang. I tell you the you fellas all mummy's boys lah. Never even step inside longkang. Oh, maybe during their NS, but I'll bet they never played in longkangs as kids.

In fact I think the youngsters are so spoilt, you scold " chow chi bye" they are likely to cry or call police.

Anyway, I can assure you -- any longkang language I use will not render you any physical harm. And no, I'm not an arsehole when it comes to acknowledgement of people. If I am with nice pussy, I don't ignore other male company. I'm not like the typical jealous, insecure Singaporean douche bag male who claims women as "property".

Anyway, I've told you what to look for and where I'll be. Up to you lah

Chua Chin Leng aka redbean said...

I am wearing all my stripes and crabs on my legs for walking in the muddy longkangs for guppies. Actually many in our generation were very poor then and running around the neighbourhood to kill time or for a little amusement was natural.

Let Patriot fix up something for the new year and we can have a beer together for those interested. Probably nearer the weekend of that week.

Guys and gals here are all invited to come along when Patriot has fixed up the date.

Anonymous said...

Hi Folks;


thank You for having me to do the arrangement for convening of strangers. It is tough me must say.
There could be no less than a dozen with the few regular khakis. Me believes some readers here will be keen to participate. If such is the case, a quiet spacious location with easy access will be preferable.

Friday 27 Jan falls on a Friday and is the 5th Day of CNY, a good day to meet, as by then most would have visited their relatives and frens. As for the Venue, me would like to invite suggestion from anyone who will want to meet up.


Chua Chin Leng aka redbean said...

Ah Patriot, this guy is only comfortable in his homeground, Harry's at HV. You need to confirm with him first : )

Ⓜatilah $ingapura⚠️ said...

Just organise the thing lah. Anywhere also can

Anonymous said...

Date: 27 Jan 2012.

Time: Sundown(6.30 pm or so)

Venue: Suggestion please, preferably not crowded, good kopi, tea and beer/stout available. Smoking if possible.

Looking forward to some responses.

Yourstruly: patriot