Persistence, perseverance and tenacity

These are the cornerstones of a man with a purpose. Professor Lim Chong Yah is so filled with a mission to do something for the country and people that he is not going to be dismissed and ignored. He is coming back again with his prescription to erase the wrongs in our economic and social system. We need more able and distinguished men like Lim Chong Yah to stand up, and stand up again and again, when pushed down, when ignored or when attacked. It is not only the calibre of the man at stake, it is his ideas, his conviction to do something right that is the powerful force behind such men with a mission.

Those able men out there who believe in the cause, that the country is going down the wrong way and wanted to do something, it is now. Join the likes of Lim Chong Yah, stand up and be counted. Speak the truth, push your ideas, your views of what Singapore needs and should be and could be. We need intellectuals and professionals, people with many years of experience and wisdom, to speak out in the genuine Natcon.

If the Natcon is going to be the stage for the aunties and uncles in the kopitiams to tell us what they want for the future of this country, what do you think you are going to expect? Let’s be serious and get serious people of substance to do the thinking. I am not dismissing the young in institutions of higher learnings to speak up. Unfortunately many are still too inexperience to have a full grasp of the complexity of nationhood, of a people, of a country, and what and where the country should be heading, the good life for the people, not just for a few.

This is the time to stand up for Singapore, by well meaning Singaporeans. You need not be invited to speak. You must have the gumption to speak out without being invited for the show. Your country needs you in such dire times.

When more professionals and people that count stand together, they carry more weight. It is time to tell the boys and girls to go shopping for their branded handbags and sports cars. Let the real thinkers, those who have more wisdom, to do the serious thinking.

Lim Chong Yah is showing the way, the dedication to stick to a worthy cause and not be brushed off as a little noise in wilderness.


Anonymous said...

A genuine National Conversation can take place anywhere, anytime.
No need to go through an "official" PAP NatCon communication channel. No need to wait for an invitation to attend these "official" channels.

Maybe these "official" channels exist because our elected PAP MPs are too lazy or scared to talk directly to Singaporeans without the presence of a "friendly moderator" who can moderate the unfriendly questioners?

And the NatCon does not have to involve PAP at all.
You can talk directly to your friends, relatives or Opposition Parties.
And jointly decide to vote Opposition without having to give your feedback at all to the PAP.
Deaf frogs right?
Tell or don't tell also makes no difference right?

NatCon does not have to involve the PAP.

patriot said...

Forget abt L C Yah, Ong T Cheong, Devan N, George Y, Tommy Koh and Tan K L. These were/are People with very involvement in the formulation of National Policies for decades ro cause the Situation Today. And do not be fooled ro believe they are ridded of their spots, by large, they are with the Establishment.

Had they cared for the wellbeing of the People, they would would NOT have behaved liked before. Or were/are they INCAPABLE of knowing or seeing the CONSEQUENCE of their past doings?

If they cannot understand their past deeds, are they now able or capable of knowing that the damages are done and much are beyond repair.


Anonymous said...

No one is interested in the NatCon. As not everyone likes to get their intelligence insulted. That is only natural and to be expected.

I don't think it is fair to expect a man to sit through a wayang that is really designed only to prop up and out of touch party political outfit. I can think of at least 10 better ways to make Singapore a better place.

Waste of time, money and effort.

Darkness 2012

agongkia said...

I have difficulty in expressing myself...But what Patriot said here is exactly what I felt too.
Thus,I am very miserable today.
And I am someone who dun think minimum wage is the best solution.There are at least 2 better options to help if one is sincere.

Thought Lim CY sat in the CPF committee when it was just started.Maybe I am wrong.

Anonymous said...

Patriot, I think your comments are unfair. I was a strong pap supporters previously because when you look at pap in the 1970 to may be 1990 or a bit earlier, the party was overall quite good.

Overall while not everyone is generally taken care of. Why do I abandon the pap, simple answer is pap is no longer the pap of yesteryear. It is now run like a company with business strategies. The nation building tasks and values are no longer important to the pap compared with anything that is economics.

Lim active participation was in the earlier period. His restructuring policy benefitted many people when the economy restructured with standard of living for most people went up a few steps.

It's only after rubbish policy like home assets enhancement, grow at all costs with floodgate open that sinkies really become very miserable.

I tend to agree with the view expressed by red bean.

Anonymous said...

Overall.....taken care of, most were doing quite well.

Anonymous said...

Agree with patriot and agongkia.

L C Yah, Ong T Cheong, Devan N, George Y, Tommy Koh and Tan K L, and Cheong Yip Seng (OB marker author).

Just a bunch of old cronies trying to rewrite history thru their rose tinted glasses to preserve what they think is their "legacy" to S'pore.
Huk Pui!
Pui! Pui! Pui!

You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.


Ⓜatilah $ingapura⚠️ said...

Yet another ivory-toweer intellectual talking nonsense and handing out dubious "advice".

And note the suspiciously skewed premise: Professor == man with mission and purpose. Non-professor/ average guy == no mission, no purpose.

>> Unfortunately many are still too inexperience to have a full grasp of the complexity of nationhood, of a people, of a country, and what and where the country should be heading, the good life for the people, not just for a few. <<

Bwahahahaha...please lah. "Nationhood"? Are you fucking nuts?

Singapore is a tiny island city, which happens to have REPUBLICAN statehood by consent and constitution, more as "protection" and to legitimize its laws so people can live and, if they like get fucking rich.

"Cuntree" and "Nationhood" evolves over hundreds, if not THOUSANDS of years so much so that those in the present need not "grasp" or even bother thinking about it.

This ivory tower fake, is like so many of the other intellectual fakes allowed to roam free and spout BULLSHIT to try an con an already confused population about how they should think or what the status quo should be.

Should be this, should be that. So many "should's" comiung hard and fast from these idiots "should-ing" all over the place.

It's like diarrhea.

Please flush. The "shoulds" are getting very smelly.

patriot said...

There could be some differences in our observations over the years and the ways we read and interpret them. More significantly is how we understand the consequence from the deeds done in the past and now and their effects(deeds, effects and consequences). This probably explains our divergence in opinions.

It is also why i say the people me mentioned above had heavily participated in earlier policy formulation. Many were/are at least sycophants to the Regime and even now are no different from their former selves.

I am sure, none has suddenly become sober to the situation. It took many policies tat were piled on one another for many years for the situation today. So, i am of the view tat many of these people are just PLAYING GOODY ROLE. Nothing more. They were and are PEOPLE OF THE ESTABLISHMENT.


Ⓜatilah $ingapura⚠️ said...

I think to have the PAP and its ball-lickers define how the cuntree should be, what it should be and how people should think is a fucking insult.

A real democracy is loud, messy, with lots of disagreement, emotional outbursts, name-calling...and everything that comes from humans run by essentially a pattern-seeking, fear-sensitive reptilian brain.

A "national conversation" cannot be "orderly" and "planned". It is spontaneous, chaotic and unpredictable. And it is ONGOING. For many hundreds or thousands of years.

Over time, culture changes and evolves. World and regional events affect the direction of culture. As does massive influx of people.

Immigration DOES shift the culture. Check out mass immigration of other cuntrees, and see how their cultures have changed from basically tribal and monochromatic, to a rich tapestry from integration.

Singapore: LONG LONG LONG way to go lah.

Fuck the PAP's attempt to "engineer" society. If you allow them, thye will fuck you up...that I guarantee.

Padaly said...

Oh wise Patriot,
People change. U must have faith in them. Some realize that it's wrong and making amends before they are called home. Learn to be forgiving my dear fren. You sin doesn't mean you will sin and be condemned forever. Have mercy on their souls! If they are seeking redemption, we must have a big heart to accept with all graciousness. At least our good old professor is asking for min wage. What about our union chief? Still "imagine" about cheaper, fasterer and betterer? WTF! What sn irony? He's still in Timbuktu lah! So you see my point? Which is the better of the two?

patriot said...

Hi Padaly:

anyone sincerely making amend or repenting is greatly appreciated.

Me would prefer such people to first confess tat they are making up for their past mistakes. Not just come in to make correction and or changes without relating themselves to past participations in drafting and implementing policies.

How do i know tat they are not acting out to cushion the backlash and rising anxiety and anger??

Say that me am too cynical, however, i assure You tat i am not alone.

Anyway, if they are really atoning for sin, good for them. Wish them success.


Padaly said...

Pls lah. Give them some face. Don't be too harsh on them. Chinese saying, "得饶人处且饶人 (dé ráo rén chù qiě ráo rén)" we need to emulate. If others seek redemption by repentance to atone their past misdeeds then let's be gracious and accept them with all our heart. Don't impose all kinds of terms and conditions like what they always do! We do not follow them but show our magnanimous virtue and generosity to impress and hoprfully to convert them from the dark side to kind loving souls. That's the point. You still need some more training on your inner self lah. Restraint and peace shld be the way to heal all past hatreds and misdeeds in order to create a more gracious loving society for our children. Don't you agree?

Anonymous said...

Forgive & forget?
You must be daft.
Any forgiveness for Singapore dissidents in the past?

Do the sons bear the sins of the fathers or not? Yes they do.

(Exodus 20:5) -
"You shall not worship them or serve them;
for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God,
visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children,
on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me,"

patriot said...


well said.

Let's hope they and or their families are reading this Posting and comments.

Me certainly hope they will repent to benefit the people now and not wait for our succeeding generations.

Like to clarify tat i hav no hatred for them, just cannot find good reason to respect then, much less sing them praises.

I rest from here at tis Thread.


Padaly said...

It's reposted here. http://m.therealsingapore.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftherealsingapore.com%2Fcontent%2Fpersistence-perseverance-and-tenacity

Padaly said...

If being compassionate is "daft" so be it. I would rather be daft than perpetuate the vicious cycle of hatred and vengeance. I would rather chant "The Mantra of Great Compassion" 大悲咒 to liberate their souls for all the evil deeds than strike at their repentance. Karma is part of our life cycle in the relentless turning of the wheel of life! It has come to a complete cycle when intellectuals are coming in drove to speak out against this madness. You know what I'm referring to?

Padaly said...

Well said. Are u sure only 10 ways? I say we can give 100 ways! The problem is that they only want "their ways" not "our ways". They still think that they could have their ways for many more years? 40% already stopped following their ways! If you take the PE as yardstick even worst - only 35% follow their ways! Someone rightly pointed this wayang conversation is a preparation of the coming GE. It's not waste of money, time or effort when they are trying to mobilize all to follow their ways by galvanizing all state resources at their disposal. They don't realize that it's an exercise in futility when the income gap is getting wider and the natives are getting priced out in their land of birth. The great divide is deep and wider than they thought! GY and his team realized it too late. Only when they are thrown up then only they woke up! Will they still make the same mistake or miscalculation? Only Time Will Tell!

Anonymous said...

An American tourist was visiting a temple in Singapore when he noticed two statues of a man and a woman by the altar.

He asked the monk what was the significance of the two. The monk explained that in the Chinese system of yin and yang, positives must always be balanced by negatives, and having the two statues ensured that the universal balance was maintained.

"This statue of the woman is the Goddess of Mercy, Kuan-Yin."

"What about the other one?" asked the tourist.

In a hushed voice, the monk said, "This one is the God of No Mercy, Kuan-Yew."


Anonymous said...

Prof Lim Chong Yah's push and harping on minimum wage could very well distract sinkies from the problem brought by the mass importation of foreign talents. It could be an intended deflection.

Padaly said...

It's not a joke! Ask Bee Gees. They will sing to you "The Joke is on us and the whole world is laughing at us!"

Anonymous said...

Not sure whether Lim CY and others should repent. They may have believed what they did before was right. They may have been scared, like we are now. In fact, the govt did quite a lot that was right - before. I will always be grateful for the greenery we had. It's disappearing now, the jungles, the gardens of homes and the shady trees and empty spaces.

But things have changed from the 60s and 70s and 80s. The world has changed. Attitudes and policies need to change. Some have. Some haven't.

Unfortunately, there have been too many bad decisions. Too much playing on pple's insecurities and greed. Too much worship of materialism and money and me-ness.

Some policies that suck big time: One is growth at all costs. Even if it means selling your soul, and opening your doors to crooks. Another is that the only thing that matters is the economy.

A third is allowing too many people in too fast. A fourth is looking only to an increase in popn for growth. A fifth is believing you didn't need the infrastructure for all these pple.

A sixth is that only academic results matter. Coupled with that is that only those who score A's can lead and the molycoddling of so-called scholars. A seventh has been the shutting up of all dissenting voices. An eighth is the belief that there is just one route to success. And yeah, success can be equated only to money. A ninth is the unshakeable belief that the govt is totally right in whatever it does. A tenth is that what worked before will continue to work now.

I won't bother to go into all the rubbish about racial characteristics and eugenics.

At the end, after Kuan Yew managed to get rid of all the people who got us going, the people who kept him in his place, and his odd beliefs and ideas tethered, the fellow ran wild.

At the end tho, Singaporeans have no one but themselves to blame for allowing all this to happen. Even now, even as we bitch about and rail agst all this, we run like brats to daddy when things go wrong, demanding he set them right for us. And of course, blaming everyone else for things that have gone wrong. We are that useless.

Anonymous said...

The Names mentioned here are some of the most distinguish propagandists in Sg.

Chua Chin Leng aka redbean said...

Thanks Padaly, for the reposting mentioned.

Sometimes I wonder if the govt's hand was forced in this issue of high influx of foreigners. Are the natives partly to be blamed or the main cause of this reckless policy, that the govt had no choice but to pursue it and to incur the anger of the people?

Anonymous said...

We got the government we deserved.
We voted them into power at every elections.
We kept silent when they eliminated dissenting voices.

The German people today acknowledged their guilt in supporting the Nazi Party through their silence in World War 2.