11/22/2021

Covid19 - The moving goal posts of herd immunity

 We are now ending two years of the Covid19 pandemic. Has anything change? Is the situation improving? If opening up and living with the virus that is getting more infectious and with infection surging and more people dying are called improvements, then we are improving. If more and more people are vaccinated is an improvement, then we are improving.

I think everyone who read the media would remember that there was a time in the early days of this pandemic when the experts and scientists, now some are saying experts and scientists titles are losing the respect of the people, were saying that we need a vaccine to fight this pandemic. Now we have several vaccines, some touted as the silver bullet, some claimed to be 96% efficacy, and still claiming or at least some unthinking are still believing this number, is the situation improving?

We were told by the experts then that if we could get 60% of the population vaccinated, then we would achieve herd immunity and life could get back to normal, at least in some countries that had done so. When 60% was achieved, nothing of the semblance of herd immunity happened. Even those countries that refused to take any preventive measures and allowing the virus to infect their people to attain herd immunity did not fare any better.

Then they raised the bar to 80% vaccination rate for herd immunity. Was there any herd immunity for countries that have achieved that? Nay. Everyone is still scratching their heads as to why there is no herd immunity. 

And now we have the must be number one city state hitting 90% vaccinated rate. Got herd immunity or not? What are the experts and scientists going to say about this? World best 96% efficacy vaccine and more than 90% vaccination rate and still no herd immunity. Maybe after the 3rd booster shot, plus 90% received the booster shot then it can be counted, and then there will be herd immunity. Maybe....

If no again, maybe 4th booster shot would do the trick. But would anyone going to believe the words and claims and theories of the experts and scientists?

What could have made all the experts and scientists pandering in the theory of immunity looking like snake oil sellers? Could it be that the vaccines were fakes or ineffective, or the claims of 96% were lies? Or is it because the virus are too clever and keep mutating and making the vaccines irrelevant? Or is it that the immunity theory does not apply in this pandemic? Or is it that the immunity due to the vaccines could not last a few months? Or is it that the vaccines are destroying the human body's natural immunity?

Or there can never be any herd immunity at all. Even with 100% vaccinated, there will be no herd immunity and everyone would have to live dangerously with this virus? Life cannot be normal anymore, masks, restrictions, booster jabs after booster jabs, restrictions, self distancing, VTL, carrying of vaccine certificates etc etc would be the new normal. And this living with the Covid would be like playing the game of Russian roulette? 

Or maybe the real vaccine has yet to be developed and what we poked into our bodies were expensive moonshine or snake oil, pseudo vaccines, drugs, or placebo at best? But these are small change. The most frightening part, if what some experts and scientists are saying is true, is the destruction of our natural immune system. You know what would happen to the human race if our natural immune system is gone?

What do you think?

32 comments:

Queen of Hearts said...

Have all the ministers and MPs and their immediate family members been vaccinated with the Pfizer or Moderna mRNA Pseudo Vaccines?

This is the most important question to ask our experts and to get an honest to goodness answer.

Anonymous said...

OYK is pushing to accelerate the booster shot for all Singaporeans.

The more we get ourselves injected with the fake vaccine, the more we are at risk of becoming a drug-addict at the least. We may even suffer paralysis or deaths.

Don't take chances with the fake/pseudo vaccines.

Anonymous said...

Europe was coerced by the Americans to use this pseudo vaccine and now seeing a surge in infected cases in a 5th wave. This completely rules out the fake claims that the pseudo vaccine is 96% effective.

Maybe 96% ineffective is more likely the case.

Anonymous said...

This is self destruction by the Americans, Europeans and white men countries. All must use mRNA and not Chinese vaccines that are safer in the long run. After the pandemic the white men's population would be reduced by half.

Europe would then be taken over by the Africans and Muslims. And so would be the USA, Canada and Australia taken over by the Asians and coloured people.

Anonymous said...

Some day i think this site will kena Pofma. Nevertheless, i do agree with your ideas. I felt that scientists should not move goal posts. They also claimed their vaccine failures is due to Delta mutation. They are right all the time, anyone disbelieve, is anti science. What can we normal people do, nothing.

Anonymous said...

Singapore version of opening up:
Pushing everything to home recovery so mislead people into thinking the number is going down with the official infected count (daily official count does not include those in home recovery or those been infected by family member while on isolation).

It is like ostrich putting his head into the sand with area heavily infested with predators and hunters, and then believe everything is fine.

When ask if thing is improving, say the daily official count is going down . Uniquely Singapore indeed.

Anonymous said...

The super talents believe the Singaporeans are really daft and will believe everything they put up as news.

Anonymous said...

Many political analysts around the world have expressed concerns that the proper functioning of the democratic system is predicated by politicians working on and for the wishes of the people, as it is a government “by the people for the people”.

In the last 50 years, the absence of these was clear in the Singapore political system. Therefore, a total reform and revamp in the parliamentary system and the political parties are required urgently for the good of the country and people.

Of course, the people holding the power now will not do anything to upset their present comfortable life. They will do everything to sabotage any move towards political reform. It's the people who must do it at the ballot box.

Anonymous said...

When people still believe in snake oil, the snake oil salesmen will continue to sell snake oil.

Rest assured they will not make a real attempt to reach 100% full vaccination, in order to leave some room for excuses that they are devising behind the scenes. 100% vaccination will make it very difficult to wriggle and no more unvaccinated to blame. You can bet on it.

From 96% efficacy to prevent infection, the snake oil failed to work. Some countries have even exceeded the herd immunity threshold in vaccination, but have yet to see the 'herd' mirage arriving on the horizon.

Suffice to say, how did Indonesia, with just 30% vaccination managed infections that are far lower than Singapore, with a population multiple times to boot. Where did their perceived 'herd' immunity came from? Likewise, India and Brazil also have relatively low infections in spite of their huge population. Can the experts give us their honest and sincere views?


Anonymous said...

"When people still believe in snake oil, the snake oil salesmen will continue to sell snake oil.

Rest assured they will not make a real attempt to reach 100% full vaccination, in order to leave some room for excuses that they are devising behind the scenes. 100% vaccination will make it very difficult to wriggle and no more unvaccinated to blame. You can bet on it. "

So true. The snake oil government may not have succeeded if not for decades of social engineering to breed gullible, naive sheep.

Herd immunity can only exists where there is herd stupidity, and Singapore is exactly that.

Anonymous said...

Forum: Focus has been to procure vaccines for kids early to meet Singapore's needs

We thank Ms Sarah Lee-Wong Mayfern for her letter Give experts time to evaluate Covid-19 vaccine for kids' use" (Nov 18).

The Expert Committee on Covid-19 Vaccination has noted that the use of the vaccine in children aged five to 11, based on the data from the approval in the United States, is safe and efficacious given Singapore's context.

The expert committee is working on its recommendation, which is expected to be ready at the end of the month.

The Ministry of Health continues to take a portfolio approach in the procurement of Covid-19 vaccines and therapeutics. With high global demand and limited supplies of Covid-19 vaccines, our focus has been to quickly identify promising vaccine candidates and place advance orders for such supplies, including children's vaccines.

This ensures that Singapore secures sufficient quantities of critical vaccine stocks early, to support our vaccination drive and safeguard the health and well-being of Singaporeans and residents. This is the same approach taken with the original adult Pfizer-BioNTech formulation, as well as for Moderna and Sinovac last year.

The Health Sciences Authority will ensure that only vaccines that meet strict standards of safety, quality and effectiveness will be used to vaccinate our population, regardless of the target age group.

What topics and commentaries would you like to read more of?

Derrick Heng (Dr)

Deputy Director of Medical Services (Public Health Group)

Ministry of Health

Anonymous said...

The stark fact is that India and Indonesia both have just vaccinated about 30% of their huge population, but their infections are, by proportion, much lower than Singapore's, with the latter having more than 80% of it's tiny population vaccinated with the best touted vaccine that was said to have an efficacy of 96%.

Just wonder what that 96% efficacy means if it does not prevent infection? Oh yeah quality and effectiveness my foot! Booster-ed and yet unsure of not getting the virus. That is what they call effectiveness.

Anonymous said...

"The Expert Committee on Covid-19 Vaccination has noted that the use of the vaccine in children aged five to 11, based on the data from the approval in the United States, is safe and efficacious given Singapore's context."

As I have suspected all this while, this Expurts Committee never do any research nor experiments of their own. They simply take wholesale - bait, hook and sinkers - the data supplied by the United States, which were supplied by the snake oil sellers approved by the Approving Authority which is infested and controlled by the snake oil sellers' planted stooges.

The Expurts Committee, or Comedians, credibility has been proven again and again to be found wanting, starting from the earliest widespread public advice of

"You don't need to wear a mask if you are well. Wear a mask only if you are sick!"

A-Non-Yes-Mouse said...

Testing

A-Non-Yes-Mouse said...


Deaths Caused By mRNA Covid Vaccines

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2021/11/21/death-by-covid-vaccine-injection/

Article follows:

Mass vaccination is supposed to reduce the number of Covid-19 cases, hospitalizations and deaths. However, instead of reducing, the number of infected cases and fatalities rise in tandem with the rise in vaccination numbers.

In this article Mike Whitney uses official public data to show that excess deaths have risen dramatically together with the vaccinations of the masses with mRNA Covid-19 “vaccine”!

He explains the process by which the “vaccine” destroys immunity and causes debilitating and deadly illnesses.

“Mortality is rising because more people are dying. And more people are dying because more people have been vaccinated. There’s a link between rising mortality and the mRNA Covid-19 pseudo vaccine.

Naturally, the propaganda media wants to shift the political leaders' responsibility for the fatalities to “delayed treatments” and “the lack of preventable care”. But this is just a diversion.

"The primary cause of death is the injection of a toxic pathogen into the bloodstreams of roughly 70% of the population. That’s what is causing the clotting, the bleeding, the pulmonary embolisms, the heart attacks, the strokes, and the premature deaths. It’s the vaccine.”


Read more:

https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/lethal-injection-frontline-e-r-doctor-gives-chilling-account-of-unusual-vaccine-induced-illness/#comments

Anonymous said...

If the Pfizer company has been able to infiltrate its own people into the Approving Authority of the United States, the only superpower in the world, and captured and controlled it, what is there to prevent it from capturing another 100 countries Experts Committee and Approving Authority?

It must be a piece of cake to by them over with an enticing US$10,000,000 carrot each.

US$10 million for 200 to 400 people is just US$2 billion to US$4 billion. With a profit of more than US$50 billion from the sales of the mRNA vaccines, what is US$4 billion? Not even 1% of the earnings

Anonymous said...

When the snake oil sellers have been caught time and again lying from their mouths to their assholes, and proven wrong over and over again, only imbeciles would still take their words as the truth without question and use them as the primary source to make life and death decisions.

For such talents, the imbeciles shall be paid in the millions.

Anonymous said...

Ang moh tua kee.

Anonymous said...

Singapore should follow Austria and make vaccination mandatory. Period.

Anonymous said...

The advices these Expurt Comedians have been giving are not their own.

They just lifted the advices from the US CDC and FDA and regurgitate them to the three stupid stooges of the MTF.

And the three stupid stooges simply adopt them wholesale and shaft them down the throats and jabbed them into the brains of the stupid 80% of Sinkies.

And the stupid 80% are going to wait in agony for the rest of their lives for the long-term effects to materialise over time.

Once our natural immune system is destroyed or damaged by the toxicity of the mRNA pseudo vaccines, we are screwed for the rest of our life.

Anonymous said...

Why is the Singapore Government so reluctant to make Vaccination Compulsory?

There is something to fear?

Ravi Kumar said...

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/despite-different-governance-systems-us-china-share-some-goals-and-challenges-ong

Despite different governance systems, US, China share some goals and challenges: Ong Ye Kung

China, meanwhile, has had a far longer history, with the Qin dynasty in 221 BC uniting the warring territories into a single empire, bringing peace and unity and starting the empire on the trajectory towards a consolidated system of governance, said Mr Ong.

China also developed the first merit-based bureaucracy in the world.

Thus, centralisation of authority has been viewed positively, and in modern China, the Communist Party of China continues to rule with unquestionable authority and exercises a strict and disciplined system of appointing government officials by merit, noted Mr Ong.

He said the Chinese system has delivered impressive results, with China rising to become the second-largest economy, among other things.

Health minister??????????????

Anonymous said...

He is a dictatorial person by nature.

Naturally he supports a dictatorial system. He is trying to tell Singaporeans that dictatorship is okay. Because it suits him fine.

Anonymous said...

His father was a communist.

How can he shake away from communist ideology?

PAP trusted him too much.

This may prove to be a big mistake for PAP and Singapore.

Anonymous said...

Read the whole article by clicking the link below. Full of facts and evidence


Open Letter to Reconsider Vaccinating Kids 5-11


Open Letter: Reconsider Risk-Benefit Analysis in Vaccinating 5-11 years old Indiscriminately

To: Minister Ong Ye Kung and Minister Chan Chun Seng,

Cc: PM Lee Hsien Loong and the Singapore Parliament

The plaque outside Singapore’s Parliament House reads: “Singapore’s parliamentary system has undergone refinements.. Some of these initiatives include the Presidential Council for Minority Rights to prevent discriminatory legislation..”

In recent months, discriminatory legislation have become a focal point in our Republic. In the name of public health, the Minister of Health has pushed new laws restricting the freedoms and rights of unvaccinated Singaporeans. In the name of protecting them, the government of Singapore has justified laws so draconian that it would destroy their employment opportunities, livelihood and freedoms.

This power exercised by the government of Singapore is not checked. There is no recourse for ordinary citizens who are affected. Many appeals and letters written to Minister Ong and his select experts had fallen on death ears. Minister Ong did not arrange for dialogues with concerned citizens. Instead, he and his select experts became our arbiters of truth, masters of our health and freewill. Some concerned citizens felt threatened with jail terms and fines.

Today, in my letter, I wish to urge you Minister Ong, to not usurp the rights and freedoms of the unvaccinated people of Singapore, and those who are suspected to be vaccine injured. Come, let us reason together! Your justification for pushing VDS measures to such draconian levels is not based on scientific evidence.

But the main point of my letter is intended to be about children.

Statistical data clearly points to the fact that the narrative “vaccination helps children”, is built on thin ice.

I have done my part and documented stories of several suspected vaccine injured. They include several young persons in their 20s and two persons in their 30s. The collective concerns of the suspected vaccine injured are of public interest, but it had not been sufficiently accounted for by the government.

Now I can understand the common accusations. I must be biased. Some will call me “anti-vaxxer”, conspiracy theorist. To this I reply: run through my public profile, blog and Facebook timeline. If you could find an argument on this issue that is not reasoned with objective rationale, you can point it out to me. I can stand corrected. But its presumptuous to assume one knows better without examining my arguments.

Moreover, what I determine to present here are solely data from the government. These are statistical info direct from the MOH and HSA. I am deliberately using official data to prove my point, so there can be no dispute that my sources are unscientific or untrustworthy. Numbers do not lie. My two sources – one from HSA and one from MOH – will show that there is contrary evidence that benefits outweigh risks in vaccinating our young.

Anonymous said...

Wah jialat liao. MOH going to hide more data and obfuscate going forwards liao.......

Anonymous said...

Next GE in 3 years' time, the Hell Minotaur that has no qualms to let old and weak people die, must be eliminated at all costs.

Anonymous said...

White man killed 3 blacks, judged by a jury of white men like in the old wild, wild west. What can you expect?

It is lucky that the whites did not run riot and kill more blacks, burn more black homes, for putting a white man on trial.

Anonymous said...

ASEAN is pushing Myanmar towards China. When that happens, Myanmar, Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam will form a safe border for China against the West. It is a blessing in disguise for China.

The USA had long been trying to split the China/Myanmar relationship and when Aung San Suu Kyi gained power, the USA thought the plan was working and their regime changing agenda to put in power another regime that they could control was on the cards. It was short lived.

Now, of course, the demonisation of the Military Regime in Myanmar is gathering steam and sanctions galore will follow. Who stands to benefit if Myanmar, which has been betrayed by ASEAN, and leaves to face the USA and the West alone? Without ASEAN standing in the way, it will be a piece of cake for a regime change again in Myanmar. But they fail to realise that China is just next door and sanctions will not deter Myanmar as they have already faced that scenario before Aung San Suu Kyi came into power. A country like Myanmar can withstand any sanctions. Look at how the North Koreans rose up from sanctions. It rekindled their resolve not to be stepped upon.

Anonymous said...

What is immunity? My understanding, the virus can live in the body of a person and both coexist happily, with little harm. The person can live a normal life with the virus inside him and not affecting him.

In other words, the person is carrying the virus everywhere, asymptomatic but can spread the virus.

Herd immunity means everyone or most of the people can live with the virus in them and can live life normally, just like living with common flu.

The takeaway is that the people in a country that has achieved herd immunity would no longer be afraid of the virus, can coexist with the virus. But when they enter a country without herd immunity, they would be the super spreaders, spreading the virus to those that have no immunity.

Anonymous said...

Singapore still has not achieved herd immunity but opening up to allow in more visitors through VTL.

Anonymous said...

Now that Singapore failed to achieve 'herd immunity' with the highest vaccination rate in the world, what else is there to support the snake oil sales talk?

Therefore, opening up with VTL is the other smart move left, so that there is somewhere to blame if infections proliferate. Internally, blaming the unvaccinated is almost at the tail end of the tether, since 80% is enough for 'herd immunity' to take effect.

Since the narrative is not working, so must invent a new mantra. They learn well from the master of invention, the USA. Big metal pipes must be for making WMD. Milk power factory is a biological weapons facility.