India Pakistan War - Downing of Rafales...How it happened, step by step

 The western world is still shock by the infamous downing of 3 Rafales jets by China's J10 Cs in the India Pakistan War. The downing of a SU 30 and a MiG 29 did not arouse much interest mainly because the Rafales have been touted as the best jet fighter in Europe, next only to the F22s. The F35s did not come close. On the other hand, the J10 C was not the best in China. China has J15, J16, J18, J20, J35 and now J36 and J50. The latter two are 6th generation air superiority aircraft.

It is very shocking that an average J10 C in China's stable could down 3 of Europe/France's top jet fighters without suffering any casualty. The encounter was 5-0 in favour of Pakistan. Another Rafale was knocked down a few days later, making it 6-0.

Many analysts and experts have been writing and reporting about this amazing event. Let me try to plot how the event unfolded in a simplified manner and the sequences from the facts available. Never mind if India refused to admit the downing of the Rafales or how many. France and the US have officially reported that the Rafales were shot down. Factual truth.

On 7 May, India, with its fleet of Rafales, thought it had air superiority and scrambled 80 or so aircraft on its side of the border, a show of force, awaiting the Pakistanis and daring the Pakistanis to cross over for a fight. The Pakistanis also scrambled about 50 of their own fighters on their side of the border. Both parties were separated by at least 100km of air space, looking at each other from a distance. The ground radars of both sides could see the aircraft in the air. Maybe the Indians could see a few lesser Pakistani jets as the J10 Cs also have certain level of stealth and their radar blips on the Indian screens might not be too obvious.

The battle zone was set, with the jets of both sides on combat air patrol and watching, ready to jump at each other. Apparently, the Indians fired some missiles into Pakistan from the safety of distance, inside Indian territory. The Pakistanis fleet were ordered not to fire unless the Indian side attacked first. The firing of missiles into Pakistan territory would be enough reason for the Pakistanis to shoot back. And they did, from more than 100km or 200km away. It is not easy to determine if the Indian fighters have fired their weapons. The Pakistanis probably got feedback from satellite technology.

The Indian pilots could not see the PL15s coming their way on their radars. It is not easy to get a radar response from tiny air to air missiles approaching head on using aircraft radar. Very likely they did not see anything from their cockpit radars. The J10 Cs were reported to have switched off their on board radars to avoid detection, and maintained maintained comm silence. Only the more powerful ground radars, with their longer range, could see them in the sky.

So, the Indian jets were patrolling in formation for battle. The Pakistanis revealed a short communication clip between the Indian pilots trying to locate their own positions vis a vis each other. The Pakistanis were listening to the Indian pilots conversation. The Indian pilots were patrolling without knowing that the battle had started. Their conversation was suddenly terminated with one Indian pilot saying there was an air explosion, meaning he was hit. This suggested that the Indian pilots did not see, did not know and not aware that the PL15s were approaching them. They had no time to react, to evade. They were just like sitting ducks in the air, waiting to be hit. And they were hit and down they went. 5 aircraft were shot without the Indians knowing or aware of the attack. No need to sweat the small stuff, no need to take evasive action, no need to pull high G, no need to fear of being hit. Ignorance was bliss.

On the Pakistanis side, they claimed that they could take down a few more but were ordered not to fire, not to inflict too many casualties on the Indian side. It was a case of the Indians being blindsided, their radars unable to lit up the incoming PL15 missiles and thinking they were in a safe distance inside India, too far from being hit.

There was an asymmetry of capabilities in radar and missile range, favouring the Pakistanis. The Pakistanis could see the whole combat zone, all the Indian aircraft with ground radars. The Indians could see too, but not seeing all the Pakistani aircraft, and definitely could not see the PL15s being fired at them from a great distance.

The Pakistani side had overall superiority in radar performance and a longer range air to air missiles that the Indians overlooked. It ended up with the Pakistanis able to fire first.  The Indians failed to appreciate the longer kill range of the PL15s.

The Indians were anticipating close combat, for dog fights that did not materialise. It was a mismatch of expectation, doctrine and concept of modern air warfare. The Pakistanis could take them down from far away, beyond visual range, beyond radar range.

American terrorists playing a very dangerous game while thinking they are very clever

 The Americans are gloating again with their deployment of B1 strategic bombers to Misaki Air Base in Northern Japan. This deployment, with those in Kadena Air Base in Okinawa, are supposed to be America's trump card against China, Russia and North Korea. They are very close to their targets and clear advantage of striking fast with little time for China, Russia and North Korea to react. So, this is American terrorists' sure win strategy. China, Russia and North Korea do not stand a chance, no time to react. Boom, and all is over. The American terrorists win.

For the same reason, the Americans are deploying missiles in the Philippines, in islands near to China. China, Russia and North Korea did not have such military advantage. The American planners are confidently elated. By deploying strategic bombers and nuclear weapons, missiles in Japan, South Korea and the Philippines, these countries become the first line of defence for the American Empire. These countries are the sacrificial lambs in the event of war with China, Russia or North Korea, just like Okinawa being the sacrificial lamb for Japan. They will be the first to be hit, top priority targets, and will be hit by the most destructive force of China, Russia and North Korea, to ensure they are obliterated immediately.

Why is this dangerous to the Americans? Never mind about the sacrificial lambs, they die their business. When China, Russia and North Korea are faced with such destructive forces at their door steps, when they have practically no time to react, what would they do to prevent their own destruction? They may try to move their key targets as far away as possible, they may want to strengthen the structure, etc etc. But most important, they would be monitoring very closely for the earliest little sign of an attack. A nuclear attack by the Americans or anyone is as good as guaranteed total destruction. The only defence is to terminate the attack before it even starts. And to launch a counter strike at the earliest time possible, even before the attack begins. This could mean intelligence and judgement.

The evil American terrorists are not giving China, Russia and North Korea any time to assess the threat or potential threat. This is the problem. When China, Russia or North Korea misunderstood a threat, misread a threat, or reading an accident as an existential threat, they could decide to let everything go. They have no privilege of time. They have no time, and a critical decision has to be made then and now.

The American terrorists, while giving the Chinese, Russian and North Korean little or no time to react to an attack, are also giving themselves no chance to prevent an erroneous attack by China, Russia or North Korea. If China, Russia or North Korea makes a wrong judgement, it would just trigger a nuclear war with no chance of turning back. There is no room for error. This is how dangerous the American terrorists are pushing the Chinese, Russians and North Koreans into a nuclear war that the Americans may not want.

Who is the wiser? Who is smarter, who is cleverer? Every second, every moment could ignite a nuclear war with the way the American terrorists are behaving, intentionally or unintentionally.  All it takes is for any side to make a mistake. Because of the stupidity and aggressive posturing and behaviour of the American clowns in Washington, the world is at the brink of a nuclear war at any instance. For the same reasons, Israel could be totally wiped out by the Arab and Muslim states without them knowing why. The Arab and Muslim states have the wherewithal to turn Israel into Stone Age.

Tariff War - Who won?

 Dotard Trump and the Daft Hillbilies and the Rest of the Daft World thought that the UAssA with her 30% against China's 10% is the winner.

Xi main Agenda is that to his exports of their 15% of GDP earnings essiential goods that the Americunts must have moving again.

Why bother their Tariff of 30 or 50% aa long as thd demand is there thr Hillbilies Americunts are going to pay for them NOT China.

China just token 10% is just for show. Maybe on their products that may compete with their local industries and also those fake inflated jack up prices goods that are NOT essiential to them.

China alreday divisified her essiential imports from other countries NOT more from the UAss.

So jus6 kept her Econmy moving especially those that affected the SME companies.

Let the Americunts rejoiced in.their Superiorty complex that they had won the Trade War!

Virgo49

Temporary reprieve in tariff war, but American farmers are still suffering

In the eyes of everyone, on most MSM and social media as well, it was a huge caving in by Trump to China over the tariffs, despite all his gloating about how tough he is acting in the face of falling demand for USA Treasuries, idle cranes at ports, empty shelves at retail outlets on top of truckers and dockworkers being laid off. The strange thing is that job creation, as reported in the USA, is still touted to be bullish, something that defies logic. Anyway, all credit goes to Trump when things look good, but Biden will be blamed when things go bad.
The tariff preoccupation also diverted attention away momentarily from the agricultural sector that suffered a double whammy. The deportation of undocumented immigrants deprived farmers with cheap labor and the gradual loss of the Chinese market is crippling the USA farmers. How desperate they are now is shown by the fraud that is being committed by soya bean farmers in the USA trying to enter the Chinese market by documenting their products as originating from Argentina and Brazil and exporting them to China, hopefully undiscovered. The Brazilians and Argentinians want no part of the scam and are working with the Chinese to stamp out the fraudulent practice.

China just turned away 300,000 tons of soya beans originating from USA which were documented as being from Argentina. This was found out by the Chinese authorities when they tested the protein contents of those beans from USA sources that were found to be dramatically different from those traditionally originating from Argentina. This line of fraud is now being cut off and USA farmers now have no way to export soya beans to China stealthily without being discovered. Brazil and Argentina are not reliant on USA soya beans anyway and will not be a party to the fraud being carried out by the USA. They have a big stake in the Chinese market and are not in any way going to cut their noses to spite their faces.


Anonymous

India Pakistan War - Putting the pieces together to unveil the devil behind

 Top national leaders do not go country hopping for fun unlike little third world leaders when an overseas trip could be a shopping spree in some European cities. JD Vance did not make a trip to India to pay a courtesy call on Modi on taxpayers' money, bringing his whole family along. This apparently superficial social visit hides a very dangerous agenda.

The Americans have been preparing to launch a major war with China. Unfortunately, all their simulated war games in the western Pacific always ended up with China the winner. China's huge landmass, armed forces and war machine, and the logistic challenge posed by the Pacific Ocean were too big an obstacle to overcome. But the Americans must start a war with China very soon. Time is running out as China is growing stronger by the day. The Americans need more assurance and confirmation.

An Indian Pakistanis War could provide a lot of answers the Americans needed and also serve many purposes. India would be a good staging ground to attack China when attacking by sea is unwinnable. And India would be an eager beaver given its hostility against China. India has been praying for the Americans to be their backup in a war against China.

An India Pakistan War would definitely drag in the Chinese. It could be another Ukraine to drain the resources of China, and why not, if India is agreeable to be Ukraine and Modi as the Asian Zelensky, with enough heft to give China all the problems it needs. But there is also an immediate objective, to test the effectiveness of Chinese military hardware that China sent to Pakistan, the tanks, artillery pieces and most important of all, the JF17s and the J10 Cs.

Vance was a special envoy with a special agenda and message for Modi, to start a border war with Pakistan. The Americans knew that Modi would be most willing to do so, with Pakistan its arch enemy, and small enough to be swallowed. And with the recent acquisition of the Rafales, India thinks it is the mightiest military power in South Asia and about time to throw its weight around. And why not, with the Americans fully behind them. India also stands to get the F35s that it wants for a long time to take on China. The Rafales are good enough, but with the F35s, and with the Americans full military might, there is no need to fear China anymore.

The Americans would let a bunch of losers trained by them to attack Indians and called themselves terrorists. India would just point the fingers at Pakistan and attack with no restraints. India is free to unleash whatever they want at the Pakistanis. And the Americans would act innocent, pretend that it is none of their business and turn to look the other way.

The American objectives were many, but the immediate task is to see how the Chinese jets and weapons stand against the Rafales. So, they ordered the Indians and Pakistanis not to fly their F16s at each other. It would be Chinese jets and weapons against the French Rafales. And the Americans would observe the battle with their satellites and whatever visual or listening devices to assess the war. Thus, the Americans were the first to confirm that the Rafales were shot down even before the French or Indians admission. How did the American knew so early and so sure. It's a no brainer question.

Another piece of the puzzle is the call by Trump to both parties to cease fire.  Trump was the first to announce the ceasefire, not Modi. The Americans ordered the war. The Americans cancelled the order. The winner is clear. The Chinese jets walloped the Rafales. And to continue with the war, India would lose more and badly and may pressure the Americans to come in, which is not what the Americans wanted. Vance had earlier been quoted that they did not want to engage in a war they cannot controlled. The Americans got their answers on the effectiveness of the Chinese weapons and quickly walked away like nothing has happened. The Americans have totally nothing to do with the war. No one is wiser. The Pakistanis came out the victor while India has to walk away like a lame duck, still not knowing what the war was all about.

The above is just my extrapolation of the war with the pieces of information available. The Americans would be rethinking their strategy of opening another front from India in a war against China.

PS, comment in RT. 

Tyrone
5/12/2025 at 8:33 AM

Former CIA analyst L.S. Johnson believes that the CIA and MI6 are behind the war between India and Pakistan

See nothing to do with fair reporting to cover up for Indian terrorists.