5/22/2013
Shane Todd and the sinking of Choeonan
Some of you may remember the sinking of the South Korean naval ship Choeonan and killing at least 20 young sailors in it. The South Korean Govt and people were furious. An inquiry with the help of the infamous Americans and some allies were conducted and found the North Koreans guilty of sinking the Choeonan.
This act was serious enough for war, the sinking of a naval ship and killing so many sailors. The North Korean protested that they were innocent and demanded to see the evidence. The South Koreans refused to let them, the reason was obvious. Even their own South Korean investigators found that the North Koreans were innocent. It was a kangaroo court at international level. Flying a false flag! The South Koreans and the Americans fabricated the evidence to find the North Koreans guilty and refused the condemned party from looking at the evidence to prove their innocence.
In the Shane Todd case, the Police is a neutral party. Investigated and found the case to be suicide. Under no circumstances would a govt allow a foreigner to reopen investigation just because they are unhappy with the findings. This is national sovereignty. In the case of the Choeonan, it is different as one country accused another country, extra terresterial.
The act of allowing a foreigner’s request to reopen a suicide case on grounds that the parents believed he was murdered is a very generous act. And I believe the tribunal is to examine all evidence available from both parties to determine if it was suicide or murder. The investigation put the whole police and justice system on trial and if found wanting could be very embarrassing. No govt in a sound mind will do such a thing. The Todd’s family should be very appreciative of this gesture and stop thinking that it was their natural right to have this privilege. It is a gesture that the Govt would regret and would likely not to be repeated again.
The stomping out from the court by the Todd family because of lack of time to examine a new witness is regrettable. It would be good if both parties amiably come to an arrangement to provide more time to examine this witness as the interest of both parties is the truth and not procedural. Let’s hope that the trial will continue and less bad barbs are traded. The trial has gone so far and let the truth speaks instead of accusations and acrimonious remarks being repeated so often from one side. It is looking like the whole govt is under trial, that we are some third world country that cannot conduct a suicide investigation, and that someone could claim murder just by looking at photographs taken without any first hand knowledge and to be presumed to be superior and correct than all the experts that investigated that case.
It is best the Todd family brings out better evidence to prove their suspicion, and this is a golden opportunity offered, not to anyone else. This is exceptionalism to the extreme for the American family. Please appreciate it. If they are so unappreciative and continue to throw tantrums and make unnecessarily negative remarks about the judicial system, hinting that it is a kangaroo court, the Govt might as well withdraw the offer for this investigation. Is the Todd family thinking that our judicial system is so unfair and they will not get the justice or truth they came to seek? If that is the case, why waste the time of everyone?
Please remember Choeonan when one party was found guilty of serious crime but not allow to defend themselves and not allow to examine the evidence of guilt.
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This govt has given the Todd family a chance to prove their claim of murder. If they screw it up and fail to provide the evidence they are the one to be blamed.
They should be very thankful for what this govt has offered out of goodwill.
/// Earlier Tuesday Edward Adelstein, 75, a deputy medical examiner in Missouri engaged by the family, testified that Todd was murdered in his Singapore apartment and his death made to look like a suicide.
Speaking by video link from the United States, he admitted his conclusions were based only on funeral pictures of the body and second-hand information.
Adelstein said Todd could have been disabled with a taser -- an electronic device designed to stun -- and killed with an arm lock before being hanged.
Giggles broke out in the audience during portions of his testimony and Adelstein was reminded by a judge overseeing the process to stick to forensic evidence instead of speculating. ///
I am astounded that the US pathologist can make his deductions so frivolously based on photos, and then change his mind so flippantly. Now he says Todd is not garrotted. But still insists Todd is murdered. Maybe tasered. Wow, this is how US pathologist work - speculations upon speculations.
Maybe Todd was poisoned with an unknown toxin that leaves no traces. Maybe Todd was killed by a Karate chop. Maybe he was killed by the Yakuza. Maybe he was killed by the Ang Soon Tong. Maybe, maybe, maybe.
Maybe by aliens.
Prepare for more nonsensical accusation of how kangaroo our courts are and how they were deprived of justice. They will slam this island real real hard.
And the western media will be all behind them that they are telling the truth.
I feel patriotic when I read some thing nice written by RB about the Govt.
I just wonder who pay for the expenses incurred by the Todd family in reviewing the case? The richest country in the world could have paid for it in return for more US grants.
imperialist americans vs kangaroo court. i'm not taking sides. just laughing at both from the sidelines. perhaps the pee am should tell more china jokes. america herself is not adverse to assassinating scientists working for america's enemies.
Hi oldhorse, I hope our govt would not be stupid enough to pay for the expenses and open our backside for them to screw at the same time.
This time I can bet they will screw us real hard when they are back in the US. Wanna bet?
I read this in the ST today and I am not talking about something new. No contempt of court ok.
The doctor Edward Adelstein who concluded that Shane was murdered is a 75 year old veterinarian and not a trained pathologist. He had examined 25 hanging cases while Dr Wee Keng Poh, the one who done the autopsy had examined 800 cases.
Adelstein based on 5/6 photos of Shane taken 10 days after he died, without examining or seeing his body.
Then he made a few suggestions to support his murder assertion. 1. He himself had been threatened by a yakusa. 2. 'He also said his son had a lawyer who testified against the Philippines mafia and was found dead afterwards.' 3. He added 'Who believes they will be killed for something that doesn't seem that important? But in (these organisations') world, killing people is a very viable option.'
So what was this Dr Adelstein trying to say, or how he came to the conclusion?
He should look at the Americans and the CIA. Maybe he knows that too.
This doctor only wants to earn a buck. It is all about how much monies on the table. Almost anyone or anything has a price.
""We no longer have confidence in the transparency and the fairness of the system. It appears to us that the outcome has been pre-determined," the Todds said in the statement read out by their lawyer, Gloria James-Civetta."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/22/us-singapore-usa-engineer-idUSBRE94L06920130522
Does that not sound familiar to sinkies ?
Never thought US people is more naive than us to believe they will receive fair treatment.
A couple of things I think you all don't understand or won't accept.
1. America, right here, right now carries a big stick. What she wants, she gets. If she doesn't get, she'll take. America, love it or hate it is The Greatest on-going social experiment in all of human history.
Many great things have come out from this Enlightenment-ideas based CRAZY and DARING experiment of rugged individualism and concomitant meritocracy , but when America shits, it is big, stinky and many people and their cuntrees get covered in...buried in SHIT.
Then again, it IS an experiment -- tested on HUMANS :-))
2. The world isn't fair, nor are people or cuntree's equal. Nor will you get treated equally as others, or others like you. We all have an innate sense of "fairness", but rarely do we experience it beyond our own spheres of influence/ personal relationships -- i.e. amongst friends, family, maybe colleagues -- you will feel equality and fairness because they contribute to stable relationships.
Beyond that, it is anyone's guess. Sometimes it is fair and equal, mostly it's not...and there's nothing you can do to 'fix it'.
Anyhow, let's see what the courts decide.
If Todd was some poor Asian foreign worker, the case is already history. However, it is clear his family is connected and well-resourced.
Life is not fair nor is equality a universal virtue. Get used to it.
You call it "injustice". I call it reality
'You call it "injustice". I call it reality'
- Aiyoh, you are brainwashed by usa media. Must insist there is injustice then we can kpkb and drama all over the whole world else everything is reality then can only accept and it will be very very boring.
- God did not just give us a body but also a mind (in case the body fails) and a soul (in case the mind get screw by some controlled media). People must learn that the soul controls the mind which in turn controls the body. Do not ever let the body controls the mind and soul.
- God is great but religion is a poison.
There is no god the father. (or any other sky fairies)
There is no such thing as a "soul".
However there once lived a man who is the Godfather of Soul. His name is James Brown, and his music lives forever.
Religion is fairy tales for adults. God is simply a confabulation used by savvy operators to prey on the emotionally weak, gullible and superstitious. If you follow their bullshit - - usually by handing over lots of money your entire life - - you get to go to Disneyland when you die, and if you're lucky, get to suck Mickey Mouse's Dick.
In the name of The Farter, The Sham and The Holey Goat...
Ah Lah or Ah Men... you choose.
Right bro, already interviewed by REUTERS.
Singapore brought in a rapist and was happily raped.
Not to be pedantic - it's not a trial but an inquest and it's not a tribunal but and inquiry before one judge.
how to commit murder in broad day light......n get away with it ?
[hint] if u r in *land of the free* n the victims r *chinks*, *gooks*, *sand niggers*..especially *chinks* !
http://www.startribune.com/local/yourvoices/159414685.html
p.s.
this is what the killer yelled at vincent chin
-“It’s because of you little mother fuckers that we’re out of work,*
Can a violent murder occurred in densely populated Chinatown without anyone noticing something amissed? Can a body of that size be moved around in Chinatown without anyone noticing it?
"Can a violent murder occurred in densely populated Chinatown without anyone noticing something amissed? Can a body of that size be moved around in Chinatown without anyone noticing it?"
Use some brain too. How can it be violent if there is possibility too that one can be murdered while in unconscious state ? Does that even occur to you ? You think professional killer that may be involved is stupid ?
Bro, not Chinatown, these reporters do not know these prewar old houses at Neil Road / Blair Road.
You cannot even park a car temporarily at this unit
At cross junction, will hold up a jam.
How to transfer body inside,?
open an inquest into these two case...pronto !
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article35016.htm
http://www.4thmedia.org/2013/05/23/the-boston-bombings-and-the-cia-connection-graham-fuller-and-uncle-ruslan-tsarnaev/
Hi denk, let me copied a few para on Vincent Chin here.
'On June 19, 1982, Vincent Chin was at his bachelor party at Fancy Pants, a strip club in suburban Detroit. Two white out-of-work autoworkers, Ronald Ebens and Michael Nitz, began trading insults at Chin from across the bar. “It’s because of you little *expletive deleted* that we’re out of work,” witnesses say Ebens yelled at Chin.
Vincent Chin, a 27 year old Chinese American draftsman, was not Japanese, and had nothing to do with the auto industry.
After the altercation, Chin and his friends parted ways, but Ebens and Nitz weren’t done. They went looking for Chin, reportedly paying a friend $20 to help look for him. They found him at a McDonalds, dragged him outside, and one of them held Chin down while the other brutally beat him with a baseball bat. Four days later, Chin died – five days before his wedding.
Both Ebens and Nitz got three years' probation, a $3,000 fine, and $780 in court costs. To this day, neither of them have spent a day in jail.
I will repeat that: Ebens and Nitz sought out an unarmed man, held him down, and beat him to death in front of witnesses, and to this day they haven’t spent a single day in jail.'
Let me add, many Asians including the silly Chinese and Sinkies, will swear that the Whites are not racists and this killing has nothing to do with racism.
Thanks for bringing this story up, Redbean. A few observations though:
The act of allowing a foreigner’s request to reopen a suicide case
The court proceeding is an inquest to determine the cause of death. If you call it a suicide case, that's pre-judging the outcome.
And I believe the tribunal is to examine all evidence available from both parties to determine if it was suicide or murder.
Right.
The investigation put the whole police and justice system on trial and if found wanting could be very embarrassing... It is looking like the whole govt is under trial, that we are some third world country that cannot conduct a suicide investigation
First: Big GDP alone maketh not a first world country if people labour under third world mentalities, like might makes right, or "you're either for us or against us". See, those mentalities are very common even in other countries calling themselves "first world", let alone this one.
Second: Rightly or wrongly, there is this perception some people have that disputes which involve the govt on one side or the other will struggle to be judged fairly within the system set up to perpetuate said govt. Just a perception, that needs to be addressed one way or the other through the thoughtful actions of the judgers.
Asking whether the process is being done correctly does not impugn the processors. On the contrary, preventing the process from being scrutinised guarantees that the process will be compromised and eventually lose objective meaning. And if the system controls or oppresses its own members so much that they are afraid to question it, the scrutiny has to be done by outside parties. See City Harvest.
And again, it's not a suicide investigation.
We've already seen countless examples where scratching the shiny surface exposes lots of rotten stuff. AIMgate, Palmergate, CPIBgate, SCDFgate, SLAgate (the Ferrari-crashing civil servant who stole money), SMRT-trackgate, Temasek-overseas-investmentgate, the list is long.
A system that is based on misdirection, immorality and lies instead of truth and facts cannot long endure.
rb
those were the days.....
asians in solidarity against fukus rascism
*ACJ, with help from several other APA groups - including CAA, Japanese American Citizens League, Organization of Chinese Americans, Filipino American Community Council of Michigan, and Korean Society of Metropolitan Detroit - staged rallies, organized demonstrations, and launched a massive letter-writing campaign. They wrote to politicians, the press, and the U.S. Department of Justice demanding that the two men be charged with violating Chin's civil rights*
http://www.asianweek.com/061397/feature.html
these days, chinese become the pariah of asia, if not the world
courtesy of fukus
http://www.4thmedia.org/2012/09/05/the-18th-cpc-congress-special-dangerous-crossroads-america-pressures-asean-bloc-to-contain-china/
http://www.4thmedia.org/2012/08/29/obamas-geopolitical-china-pivot-the-pentagon-targets-china-to-destroy-even-through-environmental-warfare/
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