I think
there could be some element of truth in Reuters’ point but how much was due to
fear is debatable. Who is able to quantify this data? What I think could be one
of the major reasons for the pathetic turnout of 100 was the lack of publicity
on the event. How many people really know of the protest to even want to attend
the event if they did not even know of it?
What I think
organizers of future events at Hong Lim should take note of is to at least
create more publicity and awareness of such protests. Don’t expect people to
know if very little is said of it. Even poor Donald Trump must go down to
twitting to get his message to as many people as possible. Organisers must know
that they are not Donald Trump and only need to hold an event and expect
everyone to know and to want to attend.
Organising
an event with little or no publicity, with little or no notice, is as good as
not organizing it at all. When failure or poor turnout is assured, what is the
point? Are the organizers trying to prove that Singaporeans are not interested
in such protests and let the attendance speaks for itself? What kind of
impression are the organizers going to create with a 100 attendance?
My advice, do
it properly, seriously, and no effort should be spared to inform the public of
the event. Make use of all the options like social media, twitter, youtube,
google, facebooks etc etc to get the message across. It must be quite
disheartening for the speakers and those attending the event last Saturday to
see the handful of attendance.
Want to hold
more protest at Hong Lim again?
52 comments:
Alamak. I used to attend events there but attendance is normally poor. As I am Getting on in age, also now cannot tahan to stand there so Long. If they can have it at stadium at least got place to sit down not so bad😰😰😰😰😰😰
Probably the organizers r being warned by the authority with something like " NO Publicity OR ElSE U GOTO JAIL"...remember a time when RN, TSL activists their homes were rampage, Mobil devices & laptops confiscated & intense interrogation by the blue men in cold room etc...Reuters is not wrong to say that the people feared being charged in court..
Even if got full-page advertisements in all the newspapers & 5-min TV adverts on prime time slots, also will have pathetic turnout. Sinkies are pragmatic & self-centered --- where's the money?!?!? Why waste time?!?!? Better you buy war stocks like me & shake leg at home collecting fat profits.
Uncle Lao Hero: //Make use of all the options like social media, twitter, youtube, google, facebooks etc etc to get the message across.//
Here it is .....:
HLP 30% Water Tax INCREASE Protest 11 Mar 2017 YouTube Videos:
Speaker: Lim Thean
https://youtu.be/_8bdRgF96yY
Speaker: Paul Thambyah
https://youtu.be/LpGmD4pX__w
HLP 30% Water Tax INCREASE Protest 11 Mar 2017 YouTube Videos:
Other speakers:
Leong Sze Hian
https://youtu.be/nMY4y8VpUcE
Tan Kin Lian
https://youtu.be/g9BlUv5NivY
RB,
I agree with Reuter because I myself and some of my friends are afraid to go there. Since the last incident when Han Hui Hui was arrested and charged and fined $3100, I concluded that there is madness in the political leadership of Singapore. That is why I started to write about this in your blog.
The Police has the authority and power to do whatever they like. A matter of fear is inside the heart and mind of citizens. No one can accurately say whether Reuter is right or wrong, until they interview those who are really afraid to go there. The fear may be due to various reasons, according to different people; but I believe the fear is there to a certain degree.
My fear is that there are too many unseen, hidden cameras and plain-clothes agents from the authorities hanging around whenever there is a protest or a talk given against the government's actions. Plus the draconian handling of some of the protests and protesters is so glaring for everyone to see - to me, is actually the sending of a strong signal to the public, those who would want to be involved, to refrain from doing so.
Han Hui Hui's and Roy Ngerng's are cases in point.
If protests do not work, the people, citizens must find other ways to voice their unhappiness.
My advice, do it properly, seriously, and no effort should be spared to inform the public of the event.
RB
Even do it properly, seriously also won't help lah.
Simply because Sinkies jolly well know that protests or not, turnout big or not, is of no use as PAP will still go ahead with the water price increase.
So like that ah, protest for what? Sinkies not happy, so what? PAP voted out? Tan ku ku lah.
"reported in the Straits Times not because of the protest but because Reuters gave the wrong and misleading reason for the poor turnout. Reuters said it was fear that kept people from attending the protest."
Reuters reported for their own audience. The report is like those reporting on war at aleppo or mosul. I dont trust what they wrote. I guess world wide users of information knew western agencies reporting their very own guided news benefiting their owners or own politicians at home.
On the other hand, the protest organizer Gillbird had also instilled fear among audience or teaching the foreign reporters there was fear in them. Once he said he worried he might be arrested on the rally protesting nothing, it was a May 1st rally if i was not wrong.
I lost interest after the hhh and ng did an ugly scene at hlp. I happened to see the cross loudspeakers between hhh ng group and children dancing on stage, while eager children s parent watch the stage and some parents were blocked by the hhh ng protest group. There were lots of cameras. No uniform group shooting, sure or not?
I told myself, never come to such events again, it was against my principle: protest must not disturb the innocent public s peace.
So hlp has 100 people having their own event protesting water taxes increase is so peaceful all to themselves. That is the right way to go. People has interest should keep in touch with the organizers.
Singaporeans are not supporting taxes increase protests. The welcome more taxes increases. I hope the pap take the messages clearly and increase more taxes. Areas like transport, electricity, property taxes, are strategic to the survival of Singapore. Every 4 months must have increases in taxes in all these areas. That will boost gdp, if not, can still increase civil servants pay packets.
Pap is not shutting hlp for good, not need to have fear. Look at the support for gay and lesbian life style, Pap allows the gathering to grow among the young. I heard there are lots of goodies for joining the party. But i am not gay. I find poking the ass hole is not clean. Not to the authorities. Its ok and its right to be pink.
So HLP actually is a gay or lesbian area. I told my kids not to set steps onto it. Where can protest find big group??? Even there are publicity and materials, few will want to be gay or mistaken to be gay to be at that gay park. Btw, HLP used to be a gay park when it was planted with lots of small plants. Go ask people living at chinatown to confirm what i said.
Since the last incident when Han Hui Hui was arrested and charged and fined $3100, I concluded that there is madness in the political leadership of Singapore.
The Dragon Fly 9:15 am
That incident was in 2014, isn't it?
Despite that incident and your conclusion of madness in the political leadership of Singapore, 70% still voted for PAP on 11 Sep 2015, tio bo?
So why 70% voted for mad PAP? Or is it the 70% are also mad? Or something wrong with your conclusion? Or Sinkies now think it is madness to be seen attending Hong Lim Park protest?
Youtube, Facebook and Twitter are the best means to send the message across. No need to risk being arrested by the Authorities, who have shown that they would do so if it is politically damaging for them. The running dogs, guard dogs and watch dogs are everywhere, even in this blog.
"Insanity (Madness): doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein quotes from BrainyQuote.com.
Does this apply to Hong Lim Park protests by Sinkies?
Uncle Lao Hero: //Make use of all the options like social media, twitter, youtube, google, facebooks etc etc to get the message across.//
Here it is .....:
HLP 30% Water Tax INCREASE Protest 11 Mar 2017 YouTube Videos:
New Speaker: Irene Mortensen -Mother & Avid Activist against water fluoridation
https://youtu.be/d85LZt3k2eM
To Mr/Ms Tio Bo @ March 16, 2017 9:25 am
That incident was in 2014, isn't it?
Despite that incident and your conclusion of madness in the political leadership of Singapore, 70% still voted for PAP on 11 Sep 2015, tio bo?
So why 70% voted for mad PAP? Or is it the 70% are also mad? Or something wrong with your conclusion? Or Sinkies now think it is madness to be seen attending Hong Lim Park protest?
Whether the incident was in 2014, whether the 69.8% voters are mad or not, whether PAP is mad or not, whether Sinkies are mad or not, whether my conclusion is right or wrong, the fact I want to register is FEAR!
I PERSONALLY HAS THE FEAR TO BE SEEN AT Hong Lim Park (for whatever reason is none of your business)! Therefore, Reuter is correct!
I must say PAP wan sui, wan sui, wan wan sui.
From the look of things, PAP is going to be the exception of all history. It is going to be the only political party that would rule till eternity.
Blessed are the Singaporeans.
Evergreen Uncle Blogger://Reuters said it was fear that kept people from attending the protest.//
The sky was quite cloudy last Sat afternoon, started to rain and thundering persistently in several parts of peesai?
Being a peesai and HLP being quite open, chances of thundering rain in HLP is not low?
It is human to FEAR being "struck by lightning in a very open, unsheltered field"?
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
versus:
A lie repeated often enough becomes the truth."
Tell a lie a hundred times and it becomes the truth.
I know what I have to do now. I have to keep breathing. Because tomorrow the sun will rise. Who knows what the tide could bring?
Fear? THAT'S AMAZING! One Hui Hui Blogger gets walloped and other people balls drop! I love it!! CONFUCIANISM AT WORK!! :-))
You sad motherfuckers are conditioned like DOGS lah. Shame on you!
I've been to several Hong Lim gabfests...I never stay long because the speakers are terok-terbok, and make up rubbish. Aiyoh, no style, no technique....fucking foreign press must be going back to their hotels and laughing their balls off as they review the video footage shot at the "protests".
I would guess that the MAIN REASON for the poor turnouts at Hong Lim gabfests (yak yak yak) is good-old Singaporean APATHY
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@ Chua Chin Leng aka redbeanMarch 16, 2017 9:49 am
//I must say PAP wan sui, wan sui, wan wan sui.//
Aiyo, angkor?
Yew "HUAT SIO"?
Peesai is a republic lah (at least in name, .......lol?)
The last time people shouted like that was in 1911 in China when the Qing Dynasty was finally brought down by Dr Sun Yat Sen?
Sun Yat Sen also ended China's 5,000 years of ancient feudal, dynastic rule?
It was an archaic system that HINDERED progress in China?
Peesai is a modern sin city and former colony of Pax Britiannica?
And it has the word "Republic" in its name?
Is your call of "wan sui, wan sui, wan wan sui" suggestive for that word to be dropped from the peesai name and make peesai name more reflective of its polity?
Call a monarchy a monarchy ..... oops a spade a spade?
Be done with all hypocrisy and pretense?
Stop wasting taxpayers $$$ with all the "go through motion debates and elections"?
"Debate or no debate"?
"Election or no election"?
The conclusion has been the same for last 52 years (and likely will be the same for another 52 years)?
Can YEW suggest and write an article to do away with elections and debates in peesai cos ultimately no difference de (and save everyboLEE's time and $$$)?
“I am often accused of interfering in the private lives of citizens. Yes, if I did not, had I not done that, we wouldn’t be here today. And I say without the slightest remorse, that we wouldn’t be here, we would not have made economic progress, if we had not intervened on very personal matters – who your neighbour is, how you live, the noise you make, how you spit, or what language you use. We decide what is right. Never mind what the people think.” The Straits Times, 20 April 1987
Uncle Lao Hero: //Make use of all the options like social media, twitter, youtube, google, facebooks etc etc to get the message across.//
Here it is .....:
HLP 30% Water Tax INCREASE Protest 11 Mar 2017 YouTube Videos:
Other speakers
New Graduate: Jan Chan
https://youtu.be/BHvldAq5aTY
Veteran Speaker: Jufrie Mahmood
https://youtu.be/O7HpLGV4CO0
To The Big Foul Mouth and Motherfucker @ March 16, 2017 9:55 am
Please note: "My fear is that there are too many unseen, hidden cameras and plain-clothes agents from the authorities hanging around whenever there is a protest or a talk given against the government's actions."
Not one or a thousand Han Hui Hui got walloped!
Your eyes are blind or you deliberately twisted what I said?
To RB @ March 16, 2017 9:49 am
I must say PAP wan sui, wan sui, wan wan sui.
From the look of things, PAP is going to be the exception of all history. It is going to be the only political party that would rule till eternity.
Blessed are the Singaporeans.
I must agree with you whole-heartedly.
The Emperor is dead; Long Live the Emperor!
Blessed are those who are meek! They shall inherit the Earth!
Uncle Lao Hero: //Make use of all the options like social media, twitter, youtube, google, facebooks etc etc to get the message across.//
HLP 30% Water Tax INCREASE Protest 11 Mar 2017 YouTube Video:
Speaker: Lim Thean
https://youtu.be/_8bdRgF96yY
Vintage Lim Thean Speech ......
Excerpts from 3.08 min onwards:
Quote
"Maybe we can take them on a LITTLE stroll down MEMORY LANE .......
................
In Aug 2015,
TWO WEEKS BEFORE NOMINATION DAY .........,
this is what the former Water and Environment .............. told ...... when asked about the possible water price increase .....
Unquote
To be continued ......
Mr RB shouted Wan Sui, Wan Sui, Wan Wan Sui. You still do not get the message? ?
Your eyes kena stamped??. Till now they still glorifying the Achievements of the Last Emperor and now even the Present Imbecile Emperor.
They even have a Gun Carriage ceremony for the LastEmperor's wife.
Now even her Name engraved in marble slabs.
WHAT have the Emperor's wife done for Singapore to deserve this??
Is NIT the same as the DRPK???
And they always proclaimed that DRPK is a threat?
So wan Sui wan Sui wan wan Sui is very apt.
See so.many por lam pars eyes smiling until cannot see congratulating HIM.
The Daft SINKIES gonna gave him 80% in the next GE.
There's never a great man.
Only good deeds.
...... con't @ 10.45am
Apparently, the former Water and Environment ........ oso sama sama current H2O & Environment ........?
They like to "wear MANY HATS" .......?
Double up as "ECONOMIST" in relation to the "price of water"?
GCSE "O" and "A" Levels Economics "terms" are "thrown about" .......?
"Scarcity"?
"LRMC" - "Long Run Marginal Cost"?
So far (actually) haven't heard any Econs stuff (from them) anywhere "resemblance of undergraduate Econs yet" .....?
Akan Datang?
Hold tight mannnnnn?
(Dun fall or crash from your office chairs)?
"From the look of things, PAP is going to be the exception of all history. It is going to be the only political party that would rule till eternity."
This is not the reality. Opposition is having greater chance than the past. Voters are more willing to listen to what opposition gonna offer to voters. Reason probably: Pap has been making mistakes. The biggest is using foreigners to replace citizens. It is still going on.
Matter of time when, Pap lose its last vote as majority and cross to the <50% side. Not too long i believe.
On opposition side. I remember went to Hg to attend WP first night rally, the crowd was huge, never seen before. The crowd went all the way to the edge of the grass field near the mrt station. But i was disappointed as i was at the edge and there was no speakers there to listen to the speeches. I went back cursing WP. It reminded me, all over the island, opposition supporters were more proactive and willing to show their support to WP.
But WP is disappointing or lacking resources to field more. To WP s expectation, they did not even win the Eastcoast grc, and almost lose the current grc.
What does that mean? Opposition needs to stay on, get in more good candidates like Lim Tien for example. Old opposition who cannot win even in bye election should bye bye. Let someone else to build on the party.
Opposition cannot build on strength but keep shooting at Pap for keeping the seats is not real opposition. May such opposition is helping Pap to stay on, as such opposition is sure lose opposition. Pap will love them like chocolate sweet.
The crowd s thinking is swinging. When Pap keep making policies to hurt voters pockets, opposition must also build on strength. Sure lose politicians must give up seat first so that new people can gain footholds to build up the party. If not this way, how can opposition win by keeping putting up the sure lose faces as candidates? These faces are forcing voters to pick pap again and again.
It makes life more "CAPTIVATING & TINKLING" when ...... put on their "Economist Hat" and talk like "ONE"?
However, mostly if not all so far like scratching on the surface only aka drinking 0.1% alcohol content beer, cannot feel the "HIGH" yet ......?
At least noboLEE has yet to speak about stuff like DSGE?
Or that in a complete-markets equilibrium, consumers' ability to hedge their liabilities and diversify away from idiosyncratic shocks and risk?
Besides O and A Levels Economics concepts such as "scarcity" and "LRMC", if for example, on the next occassion of (unreasonable) xxxxxxxxxxxx price/ tax increase, for instance "Mr hara kiri" (oso) put on his "economist hat" and use for example Walrasian Equilibrium concept to justify his excuses (for say fares hike) using economic tools such as "Edgeworth Box" illustrations, that perhaps can convince more sinkies not to kpkb and curse/ swear in their hearts (like what many silence majority did in the recent water tax hike)?
...... con't @ 11.54am ....
Bcos Water Tax technically is a consumption tax, not to talk about economics consumption concepts i such an issue is an obfuscation of the (economic) hardtruth?
Since the ....... like to put on their "economist hat", what determine consumers' consumption decision?
How about the provider of the water?
How is price (of water) determined?
What is the value of the "LERNER INDEX" of the water provider in peesai?
In a civilised society in the 21st century, is there not such value as "Consumer Natural Justice"?
What is the use of a (watch)dog when it does NOT "bark" in the middle of night when say hypothetically a potential burglar tries to break in or commit burglary?
OK, you no standard motherfuckers.
Do you need a primer on how to protest a govt which has "over stepped" to the point where their own internal checks and balances don't work? Or to the point it drives DOCILE PEOPLE to places like Hong Lim's Speaker's Corner, only to go blah blah blah then go the fuck home.
C'mon now....Other Asian cuntries are fucking laughing. Hidden cams? State law enforcement? Of course you dumb idiots....it is OBVIOUS they are going to be there. What the fuck is the matter with your thinking? Do you think you could go to Hong Lim and not be "monitored"? 😂😂 Even in "free-dumb" America, there'll be several federal agencies monitoring you, and tapping your mobile....
Anyway, a picture speaks more than I can. Here is your PRIMER how to protest a vicious government. It all starts with ATTITUDE and doing whatever it takes to "succeed"
Got attitude?
I guess not! 😝
Opposition needs to stay on, get in more good candidates like Lim Tien for example.
12:14 pm
No matter how screw up PAP can be, opposition can never win if their parties are not ready to be govt, never mind how many Cambridge or Oxford grads or Lim Tiens there are among the opposition candidates.
It has been proven before in so many past elections. So no need more elections to prove it.
Even Aljunied with Chen Show Mao also nearly lost in GE 2015. By the way, Chen Show Mao's performance in Parliament has also been a total letdown since becoming MP in 2011.
Got attitude?
I guess not! 😝
Ⓜatilah $ingapura⚠️ 2:07 pm
Tiok. With gu niang Sinkies, u expect such attitude?
Don't say dare to block an army tank, if Sinkies don't even have attitude to form a strong and united opposition ready to be govt, what more do they have below the belt that really matter?
...what more do they have below the belt that really matter?
2:19 pm
That's why they don't or cannot screw, but only getting screwed.
@ 2.10pm // .....opposition can never win if their parties are not ready to be govt, ......//
The determinant(s) may not be the factor that IB alleged .....?
Where got opposing force so good teach his counterpart factors why they din make it ......?
What is needed is the understanding of Ohm's Law?
R=V/I
Simple as that?
If V up and I down, R up (2011)?
If V down and I up, R down (2015)?
Cannot say too much le ......?
Selective Disinformation or Misinformation is Fake News
One of the justifications for the 30% price increase for the essential basic live-supporting item, water, is that there has been no increase in water price for 17 years.
What they conveniently left out is to highlight that the
price of water was only $0.53 per cu m in 1990.
What does it mean if the water price in 1990 was only $0.53 per cubic meter?
The price of water is now $2.25 ($2.10 + 7% GST).
The price of water will be $2.93 ($2.74 + 7% GST) after the 30 per cent increase from 1 July 2017/18.
Therefore, it means that the price of water will be increased by 396% in real terms from 1990 to 2017/18!
To The Foul Mouth, Motherfucker and Porn Promoter @ March 16, 2017 2:07 pm
OK, you no standard motherfuckers.
Do you need a primer on how to protest a govt which has "over stepped" to the point where their own internal checks and balances don't work? Or to the point it drives DOCILE PEOPLE to places like Hong Lim's Speaker's Corner, only to go blah blah blah then go the fuck home.
C'mon now....Other Asian cuntries are fucking laughing. Hidden cams? State law enforcement? Of course you dumb idiots....it is OBVIOUS they are going to be there. What the fuck is the matter with your thinking? Do you think you could go to Hong Lim and not be "monitored"? 😂😂 Even in "free-dumb" America, there'll be several federal agencies monitoring you, and tapping your mobile....
Anyway, a picture speaks more than I can. Here is your PRIMER how to protest a vicious government. It all starts with ATTITUDE and doing whatever it takes to "succeed"
Got attitude?
I guess not!
I must totally agree with you if you are talking about yourself. Remember, when you point a finger at others, three other fingers and the thumb of yours point back at you. Go look yourself in the toilet mirror and knock your fucking over convoluted swollen big head on the toilet walls. Motherfucker!
"It has been proven before in so many past elections. So no need more elections to prove it."
The most important step of proving a fact is to do it.
Lim Tien did it. He was the new comer in 2015.
Personally, i do not believe in ox fox or cum beach. Those are bluff stuff in one already dead old man s sold snake oil speech.
Bright IB can keep calling his words out, xiao mow da mow, no difference to me and other supporters for wp. It is the axtions that i watch.
Every axtion is a new era to opposition. Every new comer is a strength. Look at Trump. Pinky did not even meet him when he was in US, so close to the election date. Pinky and u are the same type, cannot see beyond the box drawn by one already gone old figure. I picked Trump, and was so shiok to open a can of stout that day.
I think opposition must work harder as their chance is coming nearer. Do not believe in ox fox or cumbeach, nus ntu is more than enough to sweep away the garbage if they are not performing.
Singaporeans are all cowards when it comes to the crunch. Public servants will not attend for fear their faces would be seen on secret videos and their chances of that promotion goes down the drain or the bonus is cut in half or ever retrenchment might be on the card. Singaporeans are good, in fact I would even go so far as to say they are masters at kpkb. When it comes to the crunch, they hide way like scared mice and hope others would fight for them. Typical Sinkies, no guts and selfish to the core. You deserve to be ground to the bottom of the pit, chained and enslaved forever. When the day comes Aliens from foreign land will outnumber you and the only thing left for you on this island will be the taxis. Foreigners will call the shots and you will only be able to say 'yes sir, no sir three bags full sir. " Ha Ha Ha.
Very good?
Lo(ooooooo)ng aGo(h), that was the objective?
In ancient China, the people are willing to tolerate even when reduced to subsisting on barks and tree roots?
Oops ..... typo
Should be "..... people were willing ......"
Let see the decendants of ancient Chinese in sin city still have such "DNA" in them?
But assuming that is the case, after one month, sin city would likely run out of trees .......?
But given such "assumed dna", such (spineless) beans would rather move northwards (like African herd migration) to continue such subsistence in matland jungles?
Such could be the utter uselessness of the 70% sinkies (in 2015)?
4.50pm // .....and was so shiok to open a can of stout that day.//
How about 1 crate of stout for every R>50.01?
If total 15, then can celebrate for very lo(oooooo)ng le?
Add into the glass of stout 2 high quality XO-grade fresh eggs newly produced by the young hens in CCK eggs farm more "SHIOK" ...... :)))?
Usually those who called others cowards are themselves the greatest coward, just like USA pretending to be the Police of the World but actually the Greatest Criminal against Humanity in the World.
For those who want proof, use your real name and give your comment and also stop typing in disjointed sentences and by putting a question mark at the end of your sentences.
Now prove it - prove that your are now a coward.
Dare?
Better still, I will salute you and call you a Great Hero, if you can give your NRIC Number or Passport Number.
Dare?
After this Tit for Tat merry too and fro ing, a speech by Ms Irene Mortensons in YouTube at HL brought me back to a past conversation with a water purification engineer while together waiting for our turns at a bone setter clinic.
He was commenting of how his patented discovery of a purifying machine been usurped by a GLC in a tender where they hold an advantage and the client been arm twisted to award the project to the GLC in requesting them to relinquish their discovery to them.
Besides, he told me to get a water distiller to distill the water before drinking. It's for our health sake.
This Lady mentioned about our drinking water with fluoride. It's a health hazard drinking them in the long term. Joking ge told me. Why the PAP wins every elections?
Because you people been numbed by their water.
Why is that nobody brought up this matter??
The Health promotion board prompting all to have healthy meals and check ups for sickness and yet nobody seemed to care of this health hazard in our daily use of the water.
Is it really ploy to numb our brains??
@ some insignifiCUNT anon:
>> Remember, when you point a finger at others, three other fingers and the thumb of yours point back at you. <
WOW! Spectacular.
You need to leave the adult's table and go sit with the children if this is your rebuttal. ;-)
...and wheb your mom walks by, ask her to expose her breast so you can suck on her tetek. That might change your mood, and her milk might even nourish your brain.
@ AhKong:
Please feel free to call me anything you like lah. Will not change the facts. Will not also change your genes. Sorry lah....You're STUCK! ;-)
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