The govt organ has come out to debunk the various versions of
ministerial pay put up in the social media. In summary, what the social
media was saying is that they wanted to know what the ministers were
being paid. All the guessing and interpretations, some right, some
wrong, some partially right, some partially wrong, is unnecessary if the
govt would come out clean, be transparent as they used to shout about,
to dispel the half truths due not of intent but lack of official
statements.
Yes, there is a formula in the govt website site on the formula
recommended by the last ministerial salary review. But the formula did
not tell the whole story as the formula and practice did not seem to
tally or is perceived so. Why? Simply because the govt is not telling
the way it should be. Just come clean and settle this issue once for all
and stop the people from guessing and speculating the worse case
scenario. When everything is legal and official, there is nothing to
hide. When the govt is trying to hide by not telling, it only leads to
suspicion and mistrust.
Yes, this is the third time I am saying, parroting the govt, to be
transparent, to come clean on the ministerial salary. This means
telling the people what the ministers are being paid, not just basic
salary and performance bonuses, give the full pay of the ministers,
including other appointments like directorship, chairmanship and
whatever, as long as it is income to the ministers due to his
ministerial appointment. Is this too much to ask for?
Anyone being paid by taxpayers’ money must come clean, be transparent,
the fourth time I am saying this, to account and justify for his or her
income. This is basic in a democracy, in a country that prides itself
that there is no corruption, no abuse of power, everything is legal and
TRANSPARENT, nothing to hide, nothing to be ashamed of, nothing that is
illegal, nothing that is funny and unexplainable.
The govt owes it to the people to settle this matter once and for all to
kill all the fake news and half truths and mischievous speculations. It
is for the good of the govt to make this right once and for all.
What do you think? Would there be more bits and pieces here and there
and more half truths than the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
PS. The govt formula for minister’s pay is based on a fixed sum, eg PM’s
salary is $2.2m a year based on basic salary, 13th month, a variable
component up to 3 months, a performance bonus, up to 3 months and a
national bonus from 3 to 6 months.
The PM does not get the performance bonus but can get 6 months of
national bonus, ie basic salary +1 +3 +6. Other ministers would get
basic salary +1 +3 +3 +3, ie basic salary +10 months. The PM is also
supposed to get a basic salary +10 months to give $2.2m a year. A MR4
minister should get $1.1m a year. These are supposed to be max they
could get. True, not true?
This looks like it, with a max of $2.2m for the PM and $1.1m for an
entry level minister. But this is not the case when the performance
bonus can be 4.1 average or more than 3 months. If any of the variable
bonus can be more than 3 months, it means the max is not the max. So the
max of $2.2m and $1.1m is not the max as provided by the ministerial
review committee formula.
So, how many months did they get over the last 5 years. No need to talk about those earlier years before the salary revision.
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36 comments:
The Garmen failed on themselves to understand what is " Honesty is the best policy" & what Gods said "thou shall not lie" ..they told others to be cleaned by they themselves need to look on its mirror. Human r not perfect but if they don't admit anything wrong then that's the problem ( simply telling people its secret here & there only result in suspicion & mistrust)
There is an urgent need for the government to de-mystify minsterial salaries. Some members of the public believe that PM Lee is paid close to $5 million a year and won the dubious title of most expensive PM in the universe. The lack of transparency has fuelled unfounded accusation of legalised corruption. The government asked for it. Until the government clears the air, "Clean wage" policy remains a myth. It applies only to civil servants but ministers are protected and exempted. This kind of double standards has made the masses increasingly fed-up.
Best for any government website (like factuallysg) to do is to publish officially, in detail, every single component of rewards and remunerations accorded to each and every minister.
Trying to accuse others of falsehood simply smacks on irresponsibility, unprofessional, immature and defensive.
Come on, please come clean and forthright.
Alternatively, the Government should sue those whom they think are publishing falsehood, so that the Ministry of Finance can be thoroughly cross-examined by Queens Councils openly in the High Court. And then all the cans of worms can be legally revealed in fairness to justice, people and country.
A kakistocracy is a system of government which is run by the worst, least qualified, or most unscrupulous citizens.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kakistocracy
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Meritocracy is a political philosophy which holds that certain things, such as economic goods or power, should be vested in individuals on the basis of talent, effort, and achievement, rather than factors such as sexuality, race, gender, or wealth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meritocracy
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Do Singaporeans know the difference?
A plutocracy or plutarchy is a society that is ruled or controlled by people of great wealth or income.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutocracy
And how is Plutocracy different from Kleptocracy and Meritocracy?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleptocracy
Do Singaporeans know the difference?
A master once said, “When there is light, nobody will ask where has darkness gone.”
no point kpkb kpkb and kpkb over this very very very old topic lah
who dont know that our M is getting very very very HIGH rewards
yet....when come to voting..........a massive 70% yes-ED!
so what to say now....can only lan-lan.....so up to them to reward themselves....
anyway dont waste time hoping for a Sg Harapan......;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
better to 3Ms in Sg lah...............
hahaha..............
Well said.
"When there is light, nobody will ask where has darkness gone."
Conversely, when there is darkness, everybody will be asking for light. Even a torchlight is still better than no light.
The various websites, postings of Facebook, alternative media are like the torchlight, everyone of them is shinning on a particular spot but not the whole picture, so as to provide some light.
They are similar to the four blind men trying to guess what an elephant in the darkened room looks like. Each one of them may be right in his own description of the elephant based on their own feelings. But as a whole, each one of them may be way off.
That does not mean they are sprouting falsehood. Can you accuse them of spreading falsehood? Of course, cannot. It will be morally wrong to do so.
Even if you think that the blind men are spreading falsehood, it is only fair for you to prove that it is so - by providing light, by providing the full description of the elephant, and by allowing each and every blind man to feel the whole and complete elephant.
It is the Government's duty and responsibility to provide the light. Fair?
Clean Wage policy of ministers in Singapore is a joke!
Clean & clear wage if they dare.
Just clearly state all the renumeration of each minister since Mr Goh Chok Tong became PM the start the million dollar pay in 1990. This should include all allowances, pension, bonuses, director's fees, etc besides the basic salary.
Top public servants should be subject to public scrutiny as they receive public money. Btw GLCs should be considered public n semi-public. GIC, Temasek & MAS definitely public owned national firms.
If clean n clear why afraid to let the citizens see the light.
Their total renumerations are so huge like an Elephant that they dare not disclosed. Because it so OBSCENE.
Politicians are all addicted to power and hence money. The papies feel that they are entitled to high pay and high bonus because they are empowered by 70% of the voters. Who is really to blame?
In an ideal world, all politicians should release their income tax declaration for all taxpayers to check. But we are not in one.
SingCarPoor has deteriorated to a KAKISTOCRACY. Indeed.
not that I want to pour cold water......
Sg is like that liao.....like that liao......
just look around you.....pap is everywhere.....every corners.....with massive participations.....
the masses seem very very very happy under pap.......what can you do now?
tooooooooooooo late tooooooooooooo late
hoping for a Sg Harapan?
in your dream......maybe..........
RB,
I think you got your ministerial formula wrong:
Performance bonus (except for PM) is between 0-6 months.
National bonus (except for PM) is between 0-6 months. Damn hard to get 0 for this.
For PM, he has no Performance bonus (reason is there is nobody higher to appraise his performance other than during GE), so instead his National bonus is from 0-12 months.
There is also the 13th month, and also the standard civil service Annual Variable Component of 0-1.5 months (very hard to be 0, at least 0.5 even during SARS). AVC can be higher than 1.5 months during good years --- govt will pay Special Variable Component.
MINISTER SALARY GRADES:-
MR4 = $1.1M
MR3 = $1.375M
MR2 = $1.65M
MR1 = $1.925M [this will be DPMs salaries]
PM = $2.2M
The stated ministerial salaries is based on:
1) 12 months basic salary
2) 13th month
3) AVC of 1 month
4) PB of 3 months
5) NB of 3 months
6) [for PM is based on NB of 6 months]
However as PAP admitted, the average minister will exceed both the PB and NB portions.
Hence the actual salaries that PM and ministers have been getting over the past 20 years have usually been higher than the stated salaries i.e. PM often gets more than $2.2M each year.
This of course doesn't include salaries & fees from other appointments e.g. chairman of GIC, directorships of GLCs etc.
Why so complicated?
Why isn't the total annual salary of a public servant made public?
2015: what is the annual salary?
2016: what is the annual salary?
2017: what is the annual salary?
Just one simple number ... no need all these details about bonus lah.
Singaporeans introduce real Competition into Parliament and we achieve 2 outcomes:
1. Competence of PAP ministers will increase. More on the toes n more friendly policies to voters.
2. Their price (total renumerations) will decline.
Its simple demand & supply, fellow Singaporean voters.
Hello Anon 10.56
LHL and his Upper Gaji Buta Ministers very the Smart.
Performance and what's nonsense variable and what's non variable bonuses.
What's ABC,AVC, PB???
All these adds ons or add ups made all these Portfolio Ministers like Shylocks.
Slaughtered as much and made as much from the Masses.
Every Jamban and Sewerage Ministries will slaughtered the masses to show Profits all round.
So, they can get FULL YEAR Bonuses.
The poor citizens suffered for their Tier Competitive Bonuses.
All the minions pay package reveal can be solved by VTPAPO. Other than that is You Asked For It & it includes minions pay, housing to coffin care la..
Right Anon 12.30
VTPAPO- i.e. VOTE The PAP OUT-OUT-OUT.
So that's the Singapore Harapan like the Mat Harapan can query and put them on charges if found not in order.
We have Leong, out Great Accountant like LGE to check and verify the Accounts.
That's the only way to clear all misinformation.
tant
The greate majority of Singaporeans really don't have any issues with ministers getting such fat pay, plus the bonuses and their fees for sitting on various boards.
Is it important to have "transparency" with all the i's and t's dotted and crossed correctly so that it will not only pass an audit, but also a inspection by a battalion sergeant major?
Frankly no. The system is about 30 years old, and in all that time the cuntry has performed admirably. There has not been any serious scandals in the government. The General Elections over that period...all fait accompli...people going to vote is just "theatre" in a "make-belief" democracy..
I do agree that the govt should lay it out in plain language so that everyone can understand how our illustrious cabinet is paid. Having a clear explanation of salaries will also give the "right incentive" to young hopefuls to apply themselves diligently so that one day they'll succeed in attaing their career objective of becoming a Minister in the Government of Singapore, and serving the nation and the people.By that time in the future, ministers' pay might even be HIGHER...so boys and girls, study hard 😂
Transparency...optional. As long as they don't fuck shit up too often or too badly...that seems to suit most people just fine. But it might be a good time to "clean it up" so everyone is CLEAR about how we choose aand pay our elected officials.
@ September 19, 2018 11:10 am
It is not as simple as you think.
Each and everyone of them does not only have an annual salary alone. Each and everyone of them have multiple incomes from multiple appointments/jobs. Some even have share-options. Some have rewards in kind (not necessary in monetary terms).
That's why they craftily abolished the Estate Duties. Because Estate Duties means when a person dies, all his income details with documentary proofs must be submitted to the Income Tax Department.
I know this because when my mother died, as the Administrator of her Estate, I had to submit all documentary proofs to account for her whole Estate, it took me 3 years!
So, you get the drift?
@ September 19, 2018 12:47 pm
Dear PAP IB
It's really not as complicated as you pretend it to be.
"It's very difficult to make a man understand a simple process when his salary depends on him not understanding it" - Upton Sinclair
2015: what is the annual salary?
2016: what is the annual salary?
2017: what is the annual salary?
What's so difficult?
If it's so difficult to understand your million dollar salary, publicize your difficulty.
Singaporeans will help you understand your difficulty.
As in all things in Sinkieland, it is complicated because the PAP purposely makes it complicated. And by making it complicated and secretive, no questions can be asked and no answers need to be given once they quoted the 'national security reasons' mantra.
And by making Sinkies think the problems are complicated, that is another justification for them to be paid million dollar salaries.
How complicated can the situation be in Sinkieland compared to say, Indonesia or Philippines, not to mention US or China, where earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, floods, hurricanes, typhoons strike yearly?
Education is about learning. And learning means you need Great Teachers.
Great Teachers not only pass on received information but also do:
Mentoring,
Stimulating,
Provoking, and
Engaging the students.
PAP IB is all about Cock sucking.
And successful cock sucking means you need to find the biggest cock in Singapore to suck.
Stupidity really has no cure!
RB is correct.
Guys the details of ministerial salary as shown by 1106am is not complicated.
Many companies also use similar in rewarding employees. PB is a very common term among employees in Singapore.
However just like in normal companies, what performance grading & meeting KPIs can be subjective especially if not sales oriented with $$$$ targets to achieve.
For ministers their performance should be revealed & explained why for example this minister deserve 4 months PB. But PAP won't do this as it will embarrass themselves.
As for the National Bonus, I'm totally against it. The 4 KPI criteria is very easy to hit & frankly doesn't really track on ministers' personal efforts.
For example Transport Minister is not appraised enough by how often & how long MRT disruptions occur. But instead he can get 3-4 months ND because GDP is 2.5% and unemployment is below 4% ?!?! Ridiculous!!!
What they made in one month, many sinkies taking whole life to accumulate😰
In the first place an elected official is not an employee. Period.
All the craps about performance assessment, increment, promotion, bonuses, salary scale etc etc are totally not relevant to political appointments.
IT IS NOT A JOB WITH A SALARY.
IT IS POLITICAL OFFICE, reelected every 5 years.
The whole system of political appointments and compensation has been hijacked to become a fictitious job, an employee that expects to be paid more because he performs better, to get promotion, to get salary increases, to get bonuses.
fake
Get back to square one and stop being misled by all the arguments and explanation.
RB, Yes indeed, its a political office not a private enterprise CEO job.
Should have been a straight forward total clean compensation package of say $2.5mln for 5 years nothing more & nothing less.
And every MP should be individually voted into the Parliament by the voters ie only SMCs, nothing more & nothing less.
The current pay makes a mockery of political public office.
The current election system of GRCs and NMP makes a mockery of democracy & the right of clear choice.
Absolute power in the hands of a person inclined to be a dictator (usually one who claims or behaves as a no-nonsense person), spells misery, fraud and corruption into whatever system, no matter what semblance of integrity and honesty are projected.
Absolute power enjoyed over 50 years means 50 years of suffering and misery to those less endowed and unfortunate.
Absolute power in the hands of the immoral and unethical corupts the whole system of administration and government through expediency and deception.
Absolute power produce dictators who aspire for absolute rewards and absolute flexibility to do as they please. The citizens are just digits of slaves for them to manipulate and make use of in any way they like, in order to grow the GDP for the benefits of the elitists.
Anon 10:56am,
My data are obtained from govt website and official commentary.
If Minister's are grade as MR 1 to 4 and the bonuses are included, then every year for past 10 yrs it more, they were paid such even when countries all over the world is in RECESSION !
RB, In 2007 Jinx & Puppies paid Liew Mun Leong more than $20mln bonus, you know they set a new benchmark...we are underpaid lah....Just like pay civil servant, Perm Sec $1.7mln who report to Minster....wow we are underpaid lah...
Pay kakis high high.....so easy...look we are underpaid lah.....after all its "free" money from sillyzens lah.
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