The
majority of people losing jobs last year were PMETs, forming 54% of the 11,000
made redundant. The percentages for 2010 and 2011 were 35% and 42%
respectively. The other interesting point is that the PMETs that were
retrenched were getting younger, in the 20s, 30s and 40s, not necessarily the
50s or older.
The
dicey part of this information is that without job security in Sin City, these PMETs that were
retrenched are going to have a hard time, really bad time. Not only they have a
family to look after, school going children, there is also the 30 year mortgage
to pay for.
Job
security in Sin City is a top most concern to
all Singaporeans. They cannot afford to go without work for at least 30 years.
And for these PMETs to lose their jobs at such early ages this is troubling
even if they could find a replacement job fast. Any long break without an
income is dire.
Isn’t
this frightening? And we have several hundred thousand foreign professionals
being employed here while our locals are getting the butts every now and then.
This is no joking matter. As a country we cannot afford this kind of situation
to get worst. It will only aggravate the already big pool of unemployed PMETs
and will cost a heavy strain on the social fabric of our society.
The
Govt and MOM cannot be cavalier with this problem as it will hit more and more
citizens across all industries. The govt service may be affected too, including
those in uniform or in civilian if the direction is not reversed.
61 comments:
They can masturbate statistic. In fact, LKY's neo liberalism cannot work here without immense dishonesty, in concealing facts from citizens.
LKY is going to corrupt every facet of our society.
Hi Veritas, I doubt LKY is still in the thick of things. Age and health do not allow him to be involved with so many things and in micro management.
It's very scary. I worry for my kids when they to compete with 6.6 billion people in a level playing field planned by the government though its not even level now
I agree with you.
But problem is he is the father of Singapore's politic system, and he has power for 60 years. When he and his son are still there, the tone of Singapore's political system will never be change.
Just like no matter how sick or how incapacitated Mao is, China can never change the system.
Anyone who tasted power will know this.
Right now, he no need to manage anything. He just need to be there and set the tone.
It's very scary. I worry for my kids when they to compete with 6.6 billion people in a level playing field planned by the government though its not even level now
Real competition is not so scary per se. Silicon valley has more real competition (though the Hindutva is destroying that big time now), and she is still the best place for engineers.
The worst is phoney competition. Racism, KKN masked as meritocracy.
This is what we have.
But problem is he is the father of Singapore's politic system, and he has power for 50 years.
Typo, its 50 years.
LKY unfettered power started around 1985, ended at 2011. That is a whopping 25 years.
He found himself a fucking evil, and lying lackey call Goh Chok Tong. Hand in hand, they screwed Singaporeans.
While Goh Keng Swee is a mother fucker, he still has some heart for Singaporeans. Chok Tong, Kuan Yew and Hsien Loong are totally nut head.
When first generation PAP is still there, we can generally trust 50% of the statistic. Today, I can never trust anything from PAP at all.
When job security is absent, moral and productivity can never be a person's top priority. Why bother to be the best worker when jobs are on year to year contract basis? It does not make sense.
In the past, joining the union can assure one of having bargaining power when it comes to long term employment, but the tripartite nonsence really made a mockery of the trade union movement.
The job security problem got a lot to do with our corrupt manager class as well as PAP.
Ask you a question. If I fire a senior guy which draw 8k and replace him with another one asking for 3k, will I do it?
This is what that drive Singaporean Chinese managers to fire. This is some sort of "meritocracy" as well.
But FT Indians has 100% different mentality. They would never fire someone and hire another one just to keep cost low.
FT Indians strategy is to fill the whole department with their own village, and to make company captive of themselves. The senior managers can only sit and watch after a department is being captured by FT Indians. Because that department will become unpenetratable.
This is on a whole better survival and parasitic strategy, provided you have a productive host. Its same as looting.
Because India works on such culture, she is shit big time.
I predict the decimation of PMET will only hit Singaporeans, and will not injured FT Indians an iota, not even FT PRC and FT Pinoys. All of them know how to hijack the companies.
Our management class must wake up, and stop screwing our honest workers.
Weird, very weird.
On one hand, we have more and younger PMETs losing their jobs and or having difficulties getting employments.
On another, our rulers want to increase our population to 6.9 millions by 2030 by imported more foreign talents to work here.
How are the Native Singaporeans going to live and survive?
patriot
Apology.
'by imported......' to be corrected to 'by importing.....'
patriot
The day when ahnehs were appointed as FM and LM, I know the PM will be fed with lies. Although I do not agree with the way the ruling party runs the country, I still think the ahnehs FMLM ruined the ruling party and the country to a point that cannot be salvaged by collaborating with their counterparts outside the country to con the countrymen.
Not just FT Indians, but FT PRC and FT Pinoys know how to hijack a company.
My previous companies was hijack by FT PRC. The Singapore senior managers sit and shake cock do nothing. The PRC middle managers do all the work. He hire all PRC.
The senior managers does not know any technical details. They rely on the feedback of PRC. They are afraid PRC will rebel.
Such system is prevalent in the corrupt Singapore management culture. We are damned because of our corrupt elites.
I work in Israel. Most senior managers know the job and they do not shake legs. They can easily replace anyone below them.
No department can ne held captive, if our manager class is diligent.
Cannot say like that leh.
Like that if the PM is ahneh, how?
A salute to Singaporeans PMET.
Guys do 2 years NS, and do 15 years reservist and still able to compete with great FT influx with these handicaps.
And generally still come out among the best PMET in the world. Despite great demands from g..men and family and high costs.
Work probably the hardest in the world. Work probably the honest way and proven consistently reliable. Usually abstain from politicking in work.
Usually able to step up to the plate when given an opportunity.
Singaporean guys PMET are grossly unappreciated. Do very well outside Sing esp in western developed countries when given opportunities.
Singaporean ladies PMET are the world best. Meticulous, careful and reliable. Unbeatable in administration, accounting, HR, event management, operations and risk management.
A strong pillar of our Singapore workforce. Yet still able to take care of husbands and children. Quite amazing.
What a great Singaporean workforce to have!
Singapore will miss you greatly when you are decimated by the very GREAT influx.
I am color blind. Anyone can be PM so long he is not racist, and not wicked.
Think about that, HK is better ruled under the British than communist China from 1949-1997.
I dont see any reasons why HK people should be rule by PRC at that point of time.
But right now, if Hindic people is good why not they lord? That is a big IF. Right now I am not too sure.
My friend's company Feb and March just retrenched a few people, age 30+, 40+ and 50+ majority sin people.
up to date still jobless and some gone to e2i job fair get ridiculed by employers.look like they are looking for the young and cheap foreigners.Like makino boss said most employer are taking the easy way knowing the gahman will help them.
the positive if you can call it that.
Hopefully these newly unemployed PMETs wise up and vote Opposition in GE 2016.
And their children will grow up hating the PAPigs at a young age.
Reality bites. And it often hurts.
>> Job security in Sin City is a top most concern to all Singaporeans.
In the vast majority of fields and industries, there is no longer any reality of "job security".
Get over it. Those days are long gone, unlikely to return.
>> Any long break without an income is dire.
Hence the requirement for wise people to live below their means and build up "defenses" for the life's unpredictability.
>> It will only aggravate the already big pool of unemployed PMETs and will cost a heavy strain on the social fabric of our society.
Absolute nonsense. It is a NO BRAINER to simply get another job -- even at lower pay -- in order to survive. In most cases unemployment is VOLUNTARY -- i.e. people simply are too snobbish or too elitist to simply take any job to get by because they lost the one they had. So they rather be out of work. (Assholes)
C'mon, man the fuck up and be "adult" about it, instead of behaving like a spoilt, petulant CHILD.
>> The Govt and MOM cannot be cavalier with this problem as it will hit more and more citizens across all industries.
It is true more (uncompetitive) people will lose their present jobs. However no government and its agencies can fight the market and market competition. No government or its agencies can stand in the way of innovation, drive and creativity of entrepreneurs who create NEW jobs resulting from new enterprises, products and services
Without "creative destruction" no progress is possible.
Matilar, knn talking nonsense again.
ST Forum 27April
Braema Mathi (Ms)
President
Maruah
Forum note:
Maruah is a Singapore human rights group.
"I REFER to the statement by Minister-in-charge of Muslim Affairs Yaacob Ibrahim
to the effect that money given by the state to NGOs and VWOs should not be used
'for the purpose of creating a platform for people to be involved in partisan politics'
('AMP director quits, alleging official pressure'; Wednesday).
If politicians of only one party - the PAP -
can serve in VWOs or NGOs that are positioned as non-partisan and accept state funds on that basis,
while politicians of other parties cannot do so without the VWO or NGO being deemed partisan and ineligible for state funding for that reason alone,
this is in effect politicising the VWO/NGO sector in favour of the ruling party.
We ask for a clear statement by the Govt
on the policy towards individual members of VWOs and NGOs engaging in (or being seen to engage in) party political activities in a separate capacity,
be it with the ruling party or opposition parties.
This is about equality and fair play.
http://www.straitstimes.com/premium/forum-letters/story/whats-the-stand-politicians-serving-ngos-and-vwos-20130427
Sinkies want fairness and equitability?
Then vote in as many parties into the Cabinet lah.
Why are the people partial and give power to only one party?
So called Human Rights fighters in Sin talk a lot and do nothing.
Never see them having any activity to further the liberation of the people or pursuing the cause with the Authority.
All talks and no walk.
Knn matilar if u don't have anything better to say that just shut up lar. U expect sinkie to serve ns and then compete with FT as level playing field. U got balls to say that? Your tiny still with you or not?
Seah Chiang Nee's Saturday column
[Tharman in the spotlight]
"Singapore’s 2nd DPM gives a polished performance in an extensive interview with the media.
At the end of the interview conducted with The Straits Times,
serious-minded S'poreans can feel a bit better about succession choices.
... after nearly half a century of independence,
the younger generation of Singaporeans are generally less influenced by a person’s race when judging qualities for leadership.
Besides, with an ambition of becoming a world-class city,
race has become even less of a leadership factor today than 40 years ago.
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2013/4/27/focus/13030802&sec
Can we hire ex US President Clinton as Prime Minister of Sin on a yearly contract?
If you are worried about losing jobs, then you must support our Government's pro-business policies. We must bring the focus back to GDP, attracting corporate investments, and supporting SME expansions with labour and infrastructure.
You can't, on the one hand, slam the Government for being too corporate friendly and then also blame it for stifled jobs growth. No, you can't have it both ways.
And don't say I never warn you. If come 2016 the PAP doesn't get a resounding mandate, more business will leave, more jobs lost. The scenario will be grimmer, and Singapore may never recover.
Let all the aliens leave.
Then we sinkies will have more space to develop and cost will will be much lower.
Some had rightly said it, we can have landed property and drive car.
Imagine Sg having only 3.3 million population, there will be plenty of space for food production and living.
ST Forum 27April
[Why private ambulance service had to state charges]
Hidden S. Arroyo (Ms)
Assistant Manager
Call Centre for 1777 Non-emergency Ambulance Service
"As part of our standing operating procedures,
we inform all callers of ambulance charges, so there is no misunderstanding once the ambulance arrives at the patient's premises.
Once the charges are clarified, a private ambulance will be dispatched.
Private ambulance operators under the 1777 scheme are always willing to assist those in need of help."
http://www.straitstimes.com/premium/forum-letters/story/why-private-ambulance-service-had-state-charges-20130427
Raymond u are really as asshole trying to confuse people here. Pro business does not mean pro FT. We were pro business in 1970 and 1980 but never pro FT. Only during woodsy time starts to change slowly then very fast flooding. I hope u lost you job soon
BBC
[Archbishop criticises City for 'culture of entitlement']
"The City of London has been affected by a 'culture of entitlement' at variance with what others think reasonable,
the new Archbishop of Canterbury has said.
'I think in banking, in particular, and in the City of London,
a culture of entitlement has affected a number of areas, not universally by any means,
in which it seemed to disconnect from what people saw as reasonable in the rest of the world.' "
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22313287
@anon 905:
Wah. You're still living in a dreamland where you are immersed in the myth of a "level playing field".
There is NO SUCH THING as a level playing field.
COMPETITION assumes that you have "somethng more" to offer than your competitor' thereby making the "field" more advantageous to you. Foreign PMETs are thought to offer "more value" to the employer and therefore they get the jobs.
It's not that "Singaporeans can't compete with FTs". FTs are goibg to compete with the locals WHETHER THE LOCALS LIKE IT OR NOT--balls to you; they are not waiting for you to give them "permission", and they will -- as expected -- play their advantageous hand on a playing field tilted in their favour.
Are you grown-up and adult enpough to handle that? Obviously not.
Competition brings out the best in GOOD people and the WORST in loser-deadshits.
Got your game-face on yet?
@raymond 936:
The governement IMO is not pro-business enough. Of course compared to many other territories, they are stack up very well.
I have grave concerns with the conflicts of interest with the PAP folks so wedded to the private sector. The government should be COMPLETELY OUT of the private sector. If not, there'll always be problems with conflict of interest, nepotism etc etc. On a happier note, this incestuous relationship with the private sector is the one that will fuck up the government-- eventually.
If you are a PAP supporter (I'm not), you needn't worry about 2016. Your favourite folks will still be in office in 2020.
If by some fluke an opposition party gets in, I doubt business will collapse in Singapore. Money can be made in a totally communist state -- you just have to know how. Let those who want to leave, leave and fuck off with our curses.
I like Matilah Singapura's response to Raymond.
And
I like to see a population of not more than
3.5 million.
The lesser(smaller) the population, the lesser the competition, the easier to get a job and bigger space for us.
patriot
I agree that even if the PAP lose big in 2016, Singapore will not just collapse or business will run away. That is just a tactic used by the PAP, or any ruling party, to install fear in citizens so that they can stay on in power.
Where there is money to be made, people will still come. Why are people now running to Vietnam, Cambodia and Myanmar even though the situation is still not really conducive, instead of Thailand or Malaysia? Because business thrive with new opportunities, not just political stability.
Matilah,, your first comment was absolutely idiotic. With the cost of living, a heavy mortgage of several hundred thousands or millions, you think the Sinkies can afford to take any job and any pay. And your shit premise that they should not over spent, how could they not over spent when so many essentials are monopolies. You cannot build an attap hut to get by or live in the parks.
There will be inequalities but we cannot be so stupid to make the our citizens suffered the inequalities of foolishly thinking that the FTs are here competing on an equal basis, meritocracy.
Please get your nuts tighened. They are too loose. The old aunties and uncles are struggling to get by at 70 or 80 with $1000 pay which in many countries is very rich but one could barely live on that.
Please lah.
Matilar what do you mean FT can come to compete. They can come only because the govt let them come. There is a thing call immigration control. If you tighten the immigration, they can not come. It's the same that you need to tighten your nuts so that you can think better or your tiny missing liao
Sinkies can be assured that even if half the Cabinet got clean out today for whatever reason, tomorrow will still be a great day. Few will even feel anything amissed.
Unfortunately there is no convincing redbean and his ilk of dreamland dwellers.
redbean and his baby-thinking of "I can't help myself":
>> With the cost of living, a heavy mortgage of several hundred thousands or millions,
No one is forced to take a "heavy mortgage". There is such a thing called RENTING or sharing and renting. Not everyone can own a diamond...so not everyone can own a home. You want a home or a diamond or a car or a Piaget watch, be able to pay for it.
Imagine if you whined and kpkb about the fact that you can't afford to own a Piaget watch, so the govt must "subsidise" you or produce a comparable timepiece so you could own one.
People will think you're fucking nuts, and they would be right!
>> you think the Sinkies can afford to take any job and any pay.
I don't think anything as far as "Sinkies" are concerned. Their brain is their business, not mine (and neither should it be yours, you fucknut kay-poh kia).
But I know this:
1. One should live BELOW one's means.
2. One should save for that "rainy day".
3. One should take any job at any pay as a TEMPORARY MEASURE simply to survive and not go backwards.
4. One should never believe in "job security" or any idea of PERMANENCE -- Life is UNCERTAIN.
>> FTs are here competing on an equal basis
You haven't listened to a word I've said. You just suka suka gasak buta.
I already said there is NO SUCH THING as a LEVEL PLAYING FIELD. The FTs don't give a shit about your stupid "rules" -- they will come and compete toe to toe with you, welcomed by the employers with blessings by the government.
Are we clear on this, or do you still want to bring up your dreamland logic and "morality" (what a joke!)
I amazed that a man of your vintage is thinking like a spoilt teenager who's parents won't give her $200 to attend a Justin Beiber concert.
Grow the fuck up lah. Childishness doesn't become you!
@ 433:
>> If you tighten the immigration, they can not come.
If you are so clever and so powerful, you go and tighten immigration lah. Talk big only. Kanneenah to you!
Bro, yet we are being called daft and need spikes on our hides.
Studied from kindergarten to uni where foreigners from other countries come here to study.
After graduation, jobs given to foreigners with dubious degrees.
From age five to twenty five after completed NS rain or shine and woke up as early ad five am in the mornings.
Parents, grandparents scarifying their sleep, time, monies to bring up the best in their children and in the end has to endure hesrtbreaks seeing the best jobs that went to the foreign trashes.
Matilar, you said FT can compete here what. U forget the govt is the one that let them in to compete like no other govt in the world. So knn go eat sai lar. Puki u butoh
Actually, it is good for sgp that all sgps are replaced by aliens so come next GE, all sgps will vote for opposition and ruling pigs will lose big time and opposition can set policy to screw those aliens and replace them by sgps. Only then, sgp will be owned by sgps and not aliens once again.
It is very easy to sack a local manager earning $8k pm and replace by a foreigner earning $5k pm. This will improve profitability of any company instantly. Pls do that more often so that all locals will hate and stop voting the ruling pigs.
Matilah, your ignorance about how the Sinkies' finance is being programmed is getting very painful on the ears. The whole system is designed to make the daft Sinkies pay every cent they earned and saved, in debt the day they start or before they started work, and nothing left at the end of the day.
Please go and find out more before you spout more unintelligible nonsense to expose your wild emptiness thinking and think they are logical.
RB, I am lucky that I manage to save something in the 1980 till 2000 so I am determine to make sure that my kids do not start with one dent of debt before they start work and finish uni. I let them keep every cent of their pathetic ns allowances and they work before they start uni and in between annual break. I let them keep of the hard earn money and I continue to give them a study monthly allowance.
Otherwise it is really very tough for them
Good for you. I still remember our time when everyone would have to fend for themselves and try to help out with family expenses though our income was low.
Now parents would have to lend the helping hands to their children or they would have problems getting a roof over their heads.
The gov cannot control immigration?
What can the gov do?
RB, I agreed. I will need to help them with housing as I do not want a 30 years mortgage hanging over their neck that will affect them everyday worrying about it at work and relaxing over the weekend still thinking about work as they just can't afford to lose their jobs.
I take it as a final tax on my life saving when I hand the money over to hdb. It's like an estate duty so to speak.
That will practically clean up 80% of my life saving so who said there is no estate tax in singapore. In this case u pay before u move on.
Many sinkies still cannot see anything wrong.
redbean (obviously in a tizzy about my, one-man and insignificant opinions):
>> Please go and find out more before you spout more unintelligible nonsense to expose your wild emptiness thinking and think they are logical.
Err...if my nonsense is so unintelligible, how come you made the enormous effort to dignify them with your hollow ad hominem attacks?
You can't even address my points, so much for your "substance".
>> The whole system is designed to make the daft Sinkies pay every cent they earned and saved,
Bullshit. Before you conclude your "conspiracy theory" back it up with evidence lah. Otherwise it is just "sour grapes" from sorry-assed losers who like to blame everything for their failures, except themselves.
Like I said, grow the fuck up. It is very sad to see an elder man such as yourself with the emotional and intellectual state of a spoilt 13 yer old who was refused the latest Playstation because his grades sucked.
Living in this physical world costs money. We go out to work so we can get the money we need to live.
Stop making excuses because some people just "cannot make it", and then blame the whole darn thing on the government, which The Sheeple deserve in the first place.
BTW, guess what: Living well is the best revenge!
It is a global trend that middle class form majority of the retrenchment.
Yet our government did little to upgrade its local PMET.
Clearly foreign PMET pose
more threat than foreign cheap labor.
@322:
>> It is a global trend that middle class form majority of the retrenchment.
Yes, but there are also new service sector/ internet etc jobs being created.
The middle class in India, China and the rest of the developing world whose governments have pro-market policies are GROWING RAPIDLY.
By limiting the influx of these hardworking people, xenophobic and uncompetitive Singaporeans are essentially saying:
"Fuck you. You don't have the right to get wealthier because I'm uncompetitive and I have a right to this job of mine which pays me to be mediocre. Go home to your mud hut and tree houses!"
@322:
Everytime you use your iPad, iPhone or computer, you are taking advantage of CHEAP LABOUR.
Got hypocrisy?
To : Our Glorious Dead
Your descendants have been betrayed in this land !
@402:
Most people are not glorious. Yes, that includes your dead loved ones ;-)
However, everyone dies. And it is rarely "glorious".
Anyway:
>> To : Our Glorious Dead
Thanks for the fertilizer :-))
Matilah, you asking for evidence? Sad are those with eyes but chose not to see. You cannot find or see any evidence when you refused to see them. Even if I place them right before your nose, you will deny them.
@322:
The middle class in India, China and the rest of the developing world whose governments have pro-market policies are GROWING RAPIDLY.
By limiting the influx of these hardworking people, xenophobic and uncompetitive Singaporeans are essentially saying:...
We just want the number entering to slow to near birth rate figure. Never have we ask for ban of foreigners. What wrong with that?
Country GDP can also grow by taking huge debt, but is that growth we want? If a country growth without improving living standard of its citizens, it create more social problems. Is that what we looking forward to?
@1226:
>> Is that what we looking forward to?
Are you sure you are accurate in predicting the future?
No one can predict the future accurately. Also you have no basis for your claim. You anyhow gasak buta and imagine the worst scenario....all in your mind lah, not in reality!
Haha, you ask redbean for "evidence" he spouts some nonsensical tired old quote and accuses you of being willfully blind.
This is the level of "intellectual rigour" in the discourse, dear readers, which is supposed to "make a difference" in the future of a cuntree.
Better get a foreign passport, ASAP!
...and still no evidence. ;-)
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