10/16/2014
MP versus CCC Chairman – Who is bigger?
In the AHPETC vs NEA case in court, it seems that an MP holding a mini fair or event must get the approval of the Chairman of the CCC. I quote from an article in TRE,
‘AHPETC: Holding “mini-fair” or “event” does not require permit
AHPETC, whose chairman is Aljunied GRC MP Sylvia Lim, is disputing NEA’s argument. Its lawyer Peter Low pointed out that it was a “mini-fair” or an “event”, and hence did not require a permit.
He also said he would seek clarification from the NEA on why it was necessary to get the Bedok Reservoir-Punggol Citizens Consultative Committee’s (CCC) approval when applying for such a permit especially when it is chaired by a PAP grassroots leader….’
The question here is that an MP/Town Council needs to get permission from a grassroot leader to hold an event in his constituency? Who is bigger, I don’t mean bigger in physical size, but who should have the authority over such an issue. An MP is the people’s elected representative, a member of Parliament, a law maker, elected by the people for the people. What is a Chairman of a CCC? A civil servant working for the NEA or a political appointee appointed by the ruling govt to look after grassroot activities on a volunteer basis?
What power should be vested on a volunteer worker, an unelected grassroot leader in order that an elected MP must seek his approval to hold an event in the constituency the MP is elected, by the people?
Anything wrong with such a reporting or controlling procedure? In a democracy, the people is the master, and the MP is a representative of the people. Who is the Chairman of a CCC or the CCC representating? Do they have executive power over the people and events in the constituency? Are they govt employees vested with the power of a civil servant?
Any legal experts can help to explain the intricacies of these relationships? I look look and see see and still catch no balls. What is the right procedure or what is the proper legal procedure or what is the correct administrative procedure? I really blur like sotong now.
MP must go seek approval from a CCC Chairman? Tiok boh? If ask approval from NEA officers can understand because that one is govt mah. And NEA officers are employed by the govt to manage and regulate such matters mah. NEA officers can say ‘I chenghu mah’. Can CCC Chairman say he chenghu or not?
Sorry ah, I layman only asking question for clarification to know what is going on.
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31 comments:
Of course ... papigs, dun b funny ok?
AS EASY AS ABC!
to me this is very very simple
and straight forward......
if the planned mini fair or event
is beneficial and good to the
residents, why STOP it........
wHY wHY wHY do we do such thing
and waste time......
this is what the hockkein people
called "Eat Full Very Free"......
ha ha ha....cheers.......
All civil servants and uniformed officers must think country first and serve the people.
They must not be used as a political tool and lose their integrity and self respect.
Think of your duty to the people first and foremost. Do not compromise on your principles and the rule of law. Not the rule of party.
RB, if u ask me then I would have to say that the cc chairman is bigger lor in the sinkie context.
Good question.
When a constituency is under PAP, of course the MP, who is supposed to represent the voters of that consituency, is the top dog.
When a constituency is under the opposition, the CCC chairman is the top dog. There is always two sets of rules that governs the lives of Singaporeans.
It defies logic, of course, when the choice of voters is not the one helming the CCCs. Whatever convulted arguments the PAP may put forward to justify this arrangement, only the daft 60% will agree.
Now you don't even know who is the thug or gangster and who is the good guy.
The logic is fix the opposition lah. Same logic as the AIM saga.
I think the PAP logic needs to be given a 'PAP smear' come 2016. It is probably becoming cancerous.
In Chinese History there were many instances of Eunuchs acted more potently than emperors.
CCCs in Sin very powerful also, they appointed by the Rulers. You know?
Anyway, let us see what the Sin Justice System say about it.
CCCC members are the cadres of the PAP.
They even have the power to vote for the PAP Central Committee members.
Mostly, businessmen, highly influential professionals that supported the PAP.
RC members, aiyo, chow kar, just get the residents in respective constituencies and throw them some scraps to be their running dogs.
So, even SMC or GRC lost to Opposition, they have the CCC Chairman there to control even the own PAP MPs. Just like Inspector of Schools overlooking the Principals etc.
In this case, Eunuch reporting to the Emperor. Their words can get the MPs heads chopped off just like the ISIS.
My late ex-partner was a ex-CCCC man and heard him many times called the old PM/MM direct on his phone. No hand phone at that time.
So, they take for granted that even the Opposition ward has to get approval from their CCCC Chairman.
It's a diversion tactic by the crafty old fox Sylvia Lim to dangle this red herring in order to sidestep the issue.
The issue is the Law.
The Law says that community leaders who speak on behalf of the constituency residents should be respected and therefore their support is required.
What if the town council wants to hold a beer/liquor fair? Do you not think the grassroots' opinion should be considered?
There is a proper judicial process to challenge the Law if one disagrees with it.
Taking matters into your own hands, disobeying the Law, especially for selfish, self-righteous reasons, should be strongly frowned upon.
The residents elected the MP to look after them. Did they elect the CCC or the rejected MP who is now the advisor?
What law you quoting?
Is this your best shot, Sneaky Raymond?
Ha ha, nice shot!!
Raymond you are dead!!
This judge has no legislative authority to change the law. His sole job is to interpret the law and rule if there is a violation. I don't see how talking about CCC vs MP will help Sylvia.
The case itself is a joke. I have no idea what NEA is trying to do - the more the trial goes, more cans will be opened and more worms revealed.
There is something fundamentally wrong with the policies PAP have put in place. CPF, GST, anyone?
Kaffein
Another concern is why Worker's Party is on such bad terms with CCC or NEA. Really unbecoming of an MP leh...
Aiyah, MP planted tree in his constituency and HDB removed it. No permission. That was on annual tree planting day. One tree died because of a small fry official.
NEA trying to make the govt looked bad.
It does not matter whether that person is elected by the people or not, in a capitalistic country, only the ruling elites have the power. There is no people power especially if the subject is poor people.
"NEA is trying to make the govt looked bad" is an understatement.
NEA itself is now being seen as a joke, beholden (of course we know that long enough) and well, just a useless organisation used for political purposes, not for what it is supposed to be in existence for. And I would say that most other civil service organisations are in the same boat.
And what it is doing is not helping the PAP in any way. The more they are seen to be pursuing and harrassing the opposition, the more they are loosing their credibility by the day, not to say that they have that much credibility left to be saved.
Anon 2:28,
Why are NEA and CCC on so bad terms with WP?
If the mp u referring to is indranee, her boobs are bigger, .... if asking her tits, I definitely dun know.
But even if the mp is Sylvia lim, although her boobs are huge, the balls carrying arse licking ccc will be bigger, male/female is immaterial
For Kate spade tin tin, her is the biggest, mother of all boobs
Because hsienloong the fucking karcheng Kia not free to fix the alternative mp
Cheebye.. stop asking daft questions
This is a bad precedent. First time a town council get sued. How can the people trust Worker's party like that?
Pity the Aljunied residents. Their MP so sloppy. Cannot even complete a form. Bo tak chek izit?
I dun trust religious people especially politicians
Hsienloong... kn hojinx ccb
Knn... I fuckerer u. Knnccb
IBs so active here today.
Yah loh.. no work no monlee
Knnccb... u ever go hungrlee b4?
borrow a statement from some one
no big no small
Good comments. Indeed from whom does the CCC chairman draws his authority.
Only in a politically corrupt and bankrupt govt like the LHL PAP Govt do you find a mere volunteer (these 'grassroots' people are) wielding more power than a Member of Parliament in his own ward! No wonder, LHL is labelled a joker overseas.
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