8/15/2013

Chuan Jin’s Singapore core in employment flawed

Chuan Jin said a lot in Parliament about building a Singaporean core and giving Singaporeans a fair chance in employment. Unfortunately he is still stuck with the group think and a position that appeared good in theory but seriously flawed in practice. Let me quote him, “it is about making sure that the playing field is level and maintaining meritocracy as a cornerstone of our society. This will send a clear signal that the government expects firms to recruit and develop their staff on merit, and not on the basis of nationality and social ties.”
 

Talking about meritocracy in a vacuum is a very unenlightened position to take. Chuan Jin’s emphasis in ensuring a level playing field and meritocracy is seriously flawed. Can anyone see what I am seeing and why I said it is flawed?
 

In the first place Singapore is a sovereign state with first responsibility to ensure that its citizens come first when employment opportunities are concerned. The Govt owes it to the citizens to be gainfully employed and not to foreigners. Our citizens need a job to survive, to live and to pay for all the high costs of living. There could be some compromises when foreign companies set up business here but they should not dictate their wants. After weighing all the factors, employing Singaporeans first must still be advantages to them than to bring in their ‘special and irreplaceable’ talents that no Singaporeans can do better. I don’t believe there are many such creatures around. I think Chuan Jin should not accept such shitty excuses unless it is very specialized and technical skills are involved and not a matter of know who or a matter of preference.
 

A corollary to the sovereign state is that ensuring a level playing field for citizens and non citizens is not acceptable. Ensuring a level playing field is for citizens competing with citizens, likewise in meritocracy. Why should our citizens be competing on a level playing against foreigners in our own country when citizens not only must have privileges but also responsibilities that are abnormal than in many countries? Our citizens should demand a playing field that is in their favour and no need to apologise for it. The citizens deserve to be treated with special favours and advantages for being citizens.
 

Meritocracy cannot be practiced blindly and not be seen as stupidity. Only a fool will practice meritocracy with the world’s talents to choose from against the limited number of talents in his own country. If meritocracy is practiced to the hilt as the cornerstone of our society and talents from around the world can replace the citizens on merits, we can replace everyone in the country including the whole cabinet and the President. With 7b people to choose from, at least 100m will be better and more meritocratic than every Singaporeans in every job and should replace every one of them. Tio boh? Off the cuff, there must be at least 10m people who are more talented than the whole cabinet or parliament. Should they come and replace them all?
 

One more point, not every job requires top talents or the best of talents. Not every job requires straight As or first class honours or a Ph D. Many jobs can be done by a decent and good employee who is competent enough to do what is required. Many HR practitioners will tell you that not the best candidate or the best qualified is given the job. In many instances, the second or third best would be deemed good enough and a better fit.
 

As an example, a good HR practitioner with a first degree would be equally as competent as another with a first class honours or Ph D in a SME. The higher or better qualifications are redundant or extravagant for the job, and may be more costly in the long term. So it is not necessary that the more meritocratic should deserve to replace the less meritocratic. Only a certain level of skills, knowledge and competency are needed. You don’t replace a Singaporean with a foreigner because he is more qualified or over qualified. Meritocracy in this sense is misplaced and obtused.
Maybe I shall put it even more simply. When a good Taiwan made bike that cost $700 can do the job, why should one buy a European made bike that cost $2000 that may be a little better and more prestigious? In choosing the latter it is indulgence, extravagance and absolutely unnecessary, definitely nothing to do with meritocracy or getting the best.
 

Do not blindly practise meritocracy with no consideration to citizenship. Do not insist on a level playing field for citizens to compete with non citizens in our country. The citizens did not vote you to compete on a level playing field with foreigners. Remember what you promised to do for the voters? Do not utter carelessly about level playing field and meritocracy without thinking.
 

This is our country and the citizens deserve better and first priority in employment. If the govt cannot think through this, cannot see through this, what can I say? What kind of govt are we having, serving the interests of citizens or foreigners? To hell with a level playing field! To hell with meritocracy! This is a country and there is a citizenry to consider and to take care of.
 

The Govt must send a clear signal to employers, both Govt, local and foreign, that employing Singaporean is top priority and must not be conveniently compromised by lame excuses.
 

PS. A jobless citizen still needs to pay for a roof over his head, household expenses, children expenses, conservancy bills, cost of living expenses, medical bills, and many other social and financial obligations. He can't get by without a job.

47 comments:

Anonymous said...

Redbean had too much hope on Chuan Jin. Anyway, he is like all the Others in the Cabinet and a much younger one that rises much faster than many of his older colleagues.
And why the Younger Members are given cabinet posts over longer serving ones itself is quite difficult to understand. Maybe their military background or closeness to certain people matter.
Nevertheless, Redbean must not be too hopeful lah. Singapore is 48 year old and Redbean dont seems to know the Leaders well..

Anonymous said...

I don't vote for a govt to bring in foreigners to compete for jobs on a level playing field. I only vote for a govt that got its priority right, the interests of the citizens and jobs for citizens.

Anonymous said...

SINGAPOREANS FIRST SINGAPOREANS FIRST

Everything we do must be SINGAPOREANS FIRST!

Our society is moving forward tooooooooooooo fast. Many families cannot catch up, many left behind, many struggling, many are crying. Can you hear them!

WHY DO WE END UP LIKE THAT ..............



Anonymous said...

Because we are made to compete in a level playing field with the whole world's talents and found not good enough. Next change, Sinkies to ship out and replace by foreigners.

Anonymous said...

........but why do we have to end up like that ...............why why why ........

Anonymous said...

Redbean says:
"Chuan Jin’s Singapore core in employment flawed"

I say:
"Singaporeans' belief in a PAP core majority in Parliament is flawed".
VOTE OPPOSITION.
Then Singaporeans will get better employment opportunities.

Anonymous said...

Excellent, Redbean. Singapore govt's responsibility is not to take care of foreigners nor businesses. Why is the pap handicapping Singaporeans in Singapore? Eg male Singaporeans have NS liability? That's a big handicap when male Singaporeans compete in the job market. The pap must not spread our legs wide for foreigners

Anonymous said...

We need more Singaporeans like you, Redbean. Why cant PAP MPs realise that their responsibility to to serve Singaporeans and not foreigners?

Anonymous said...

Thank you! Well said and great article

Ⓜatilah $ingapura⚠️ said...

I don't think it is the government's role to tell employers and entrepreneurs how to run their business.

No one "owes" anyone a job -- period. Our value is not measured by ourselves, but by others who have a need for what we can offer. If you have nothing to offer, then don't blame the other guy for not hiring you -- he is under NO SUCH obligation.

Better than complaining and belly-aching about a non-issue, is to figure out ways you can improve yourself, increase your value and pay those motherfucking bills you keep complaining about all the time.

ALL POLICIES which emanate from a government mind will contain some flaws. If you think the world needs to be "perfect" before you can operate your life, then I doubt if anything or anyone can help you :-)

Those spurs are in your hide -- what you gonna do? Complain to, and about the government or rise to the challenge and at least reclaim your own self respect? You embarrassing pussy!

Kopi for redbean. Long article, but seriously FLAWED.

Got meritocracy?

Anonymous said...

I also want to buy kopi for redbean. And I will vote for a govt that will take care of citizens first.

VTO.

Anonymous said...


Of date we have found Matilah mind seriously flawed. This is reflected in his writing and warp thinking and argument. He is a silly clown looking for attention. Don't take him seriously.

Eagles eyes

Ⓜatilah $ingapura⚠️ said...

@Eagles eyes,

I completely agree with you. No one should ever take me seriously. ;-)

Suffice it to say there is an inexhaustible supply of stupid people making bad choices to keep me entertained until I stop breathing. Thus changing them is the LAST thing I want!

Got schadenfreude?

Chua Chin Leng aka redbean said...

Eagles Eyes, while you are fraternising with Matilah, don't forget to buy me kopi ya.

Ⓜatilah $ingapura⚠️ said...

Still asleep? Better wake up now mah!

Game on already lah.

Anonymous said...

Selling out the Sinkies.

Chua Chin Leng aka redbean said...

During the dying days of the Qing Dynasty, China was so weak and acceded to the demands of foreigners. Hongkong and Macau were ceded. There were concessions in Shanghai where foreigners literary own territories and governed under their own laws for their own citizens or whoever they favoured in Chinese soil.

The Chinese govt was so weak that it kept trying to appease the foreigners and the foreigners kept on encroaching on the rights and sovereignty of China.

When a country is going down, these kinds of things will happen and the govt could not do anything about it.

Is Singapore approaching such a state?

Anonymous said...

I seriously recommend that all of you listen to the song by Bette Midler :

FROM A DISTANCE.......

Ⓜatilah $ingapura⚠️ said...

@1130:

Not at all. Looking after the best interests of the NATION for the future.

That alone trumps all the negative emotional nonsense of the fuck-heads who refuse to move with the times and the changing environment.

Good for them. They will one day discover for themselves, through personal experience, what Darwin postulated 150 years ago. "Adapt or die".

i.e. "If you adapt, your gain. If you die, your problem"

Seriously, do you really want another problem?

Got forward-thinking?

Anonymous said...

Strongly agree. Sinkies must adapt and be prepared to lose their country to foreigners while they make some money in the process. Think self and selfish. Those who cannot adapt can go and die. Make the money and migrate to somewhere else. This country can sink, why worry. why care?

Ⓜatilah $ingapura⚠️ said...

@redeban 1137:

Yes and no. The foreigners in China didn't become part of the cuntry -- even "integrated" they were separate. when their time came to leave, they left.

In Singapore, a vast portion of the foreigners have set up roots -- bought homes, started family lives etc. They are here to STAY.

>> Is Singapore approaching such a state?

Singapore is in a state of much needed CHANGE.

So fucking change. Where's the problem? Oh yah...only in the mind lah. It is an ILLUSION, motherfuckers!


Anonymous said...

Singapore is a cosmopolitan city state......UNDERSTAND!

there is no such thing as citizenship......all are international citizen.....no need to serve NS..........

people can walk in and out at their wish at any time......

BUT......... NO MONEY NO TALK!

Anonymous said...

What the pap is doing is tantamount to selling Singapore to foreigners

Anonymous said...

Allowing businesses to employ foreigners because they are cheaper will kill all in the end. LHL lacks foresight and is a bad leader. How did Singaporeans allow such a lousy leader like LHL to be PM?

Anonymous said...

It is not the govt's role to tell businesses to employ Singaporeans. neither is it govt's role to allow free entry of cheap thrash into Singapore and cause social tension and problems. the PAP must not hinder employment of Singaporeans and favour foreigners

Anonymous said...

life is short... you only live once ......

why bother whether it is 5M or 6.9M population.....

why bother it is pap or wp .......

why bother about anything at all ......

what use is there.......

what is most important is your pockets got money .......

ha ha ha ......

Anonymous said...

Salute to Mr Chua; I share the same thoughts as you.

We should replace the whole cabinet with talented foreigners as well if we want to talk about meritocracy.

I think our meritocracy has been abused to the fullest extent where the citizens are shortchanged unfairly by the crappy policies.

If the government is clueless about making good progress for Singapore, they should be replaced! Talented foreigners also can!

Anonymous said...

all of you go listen to Bette Midler "FROM A DISTANCE".....

Anonymous said...

Death is the greatest leveller.
The suffering lot fears death least.
The rich and mighty fear death comes too son.
Long live Matilah Singapura.

Anonymous said...

I heard home sales in july slump by 73%......is this the start of property corrections ................

Anonymous said...

Matilah most likely welcome nubile lasses younger than his wives into his house. The wise misses must have had their own and interests of their broods to have Matilah disowned.
Luckily, as the fairest being Matilah cares not what happens so long he get younger chicks. He belongs to nobody and nobody matters to him.
Watch National Geographic or any Lion Ducumentary to see the ending days of the king of beast.

Anonymous said...

Rotten to the core. The rich will get richer, the poor will make babies or else...we'll import them, that's the core of the issue.

Gintai_昇泰 said...

Membership has its privileges so they say. But this axiom is not and never been accepted by this regime. They keep saying that we must compete with the others in a free market. Look here at our costs of living. Can a Singaporean survive on $1, 000 monthly salary? But those living just across the causeway coming here every day to work will be most happy to take on the job cuz their costs of living much lower there. Level playing field my foot I say. Even an idiot can see this simple truth. Govt instead of helping its own citizens who voted them in power condemn locals for being choosy, demanding and lazy. WTF! Will this type of Govt survive long? Now you know why since GE 2011, they keep losing BEs one after another including the PE they nearly lost! I think they are still sleeping daa! Really langgar tiang!

b said...

This is a case of 越描越黑. The more they try to open the can of worms, more worms will come out. No gov existed in these days for foreigners to take over the locals except on this small island. Blame it all on the 60% voters who blindly put their trust and everyone past and future into the hands of some pimps and prostitutes that will happily sell theirs and others bodies, souls and hearts for the sake of a few pounds in the bank accounts. Love of money is the root of all evils.

b said...

I am not against foreigners. Non native population should not be more than 50% of native population in any country at any time. If one feels 2nd class in your own country, it is better to migrate and feels 2nd class in a ountry not your own.

Anonymous said...

We have an idiot messing up Singapore because the old man wanted his son to be PM and nobody dared say no. This is meritocracy Singapore style. More examples in TEMASEK Ceo and Chairman - who can say no?

patriot said...

@Gintai

Well said. Singaporeans should ask themselves if they are living better than before, are they happy and how they read their future.
Public housings had became not only very expensive, they are like dove cages in size. Prices of everything have shot way past incomes and even inflation.

Exploitations are rampant on top of much jobs going to foreigners with the sanction from the Rulers.

Why are the Rulers oblivious to the plights of their citizens? Are they not aware that most of the hardships arose from their planning and policies over the years.
Me believes our Rulers are much aware of the situation and that they know the consequences of their policies. However, so long as their own interests in power and wealth are improving; what happen to their citizens are of secondary concern.

The citizens have been mostly socially engineered into robots after decades of indoctrination. Our Rulers know that there is nothing much the Citizenry could do to change them. But, with events happening around the World and the advent of the Internet, developments may not be as planned and or conceived.

patriot

Anonymous said...

>>355pm

Many are deaf ears just like Matilah. They may only wake up when ALL the good jobs are taken away by the foreigners. Locals are only left with jobs that even foreigners do not want to do.

Anonymous said...

Redbean, I quote "If the govt cannot think through this, cannot see through this, what can I say? What kind of govt are we having, serving the interests of citizens or foreigners"? They have done their sums, I am very sure. Converting foreigners to citizens in stealth mode is way past their modus operandi. They are doing it openly now. So ultimately we are back to square one and they would have answered your questions. Singaporeans are all rooting for a Singaporeans First but first and foremost, we must define Singaporeans. Otherwise we are only going round in circles and that is exactly what this good for nothing Government is attempting to lead us into. Think about it. Every issue is handled in this manner. If talking and I mean talking alone could solve a country's problems, who needs revolution?

fish 'n' chips

Chua Chin Leng aka redbean said...

Hi fish n chips, welcome to the blog. You made a very important observation. Many foreigners are made instant Sinkies and being passed off as Sinkies.

This is another kind of selling out.

AhKong65 said...

" Level playing field " and " meritocracy " my foot . This is for the business organisations to practice or a matter of preference , simply .. they are here to make the most profits . It's not for the government ... any GOVERNMENTS all over the world owe it to it's citizens to be gainfully employed and not to the foreigners . Such simply logic cannot understand mah ! Meritocracy is a dirty word , it is like a double edge sword . You can attract mores FTs foreigners to our shore and you can also turn-off Singaporeans . Mr Chua Chin Leng is right , a ruling government must have policy in place with special favours and advantages for her citizens . Politicians must ask themselves this simple question ... who vote them into the government . Singaporeans or foreigners ?? Again simply logic cannot understand mah ! How to run a country ?
Expecting her citizens to compete with foreigns solely based on meritocracy is like telling Singaporeans , please " do not vote for me " ... as I will not be serving the interest of you citizens only .
To quote from ST on 8th Aug 2013 , during the National Day Message by PM Mr Lee Hsien Loong ...
> We will do more to enable every Singaporeans
to succeed .......
> We must always have abler, honest and committed leaders , who can be trusted to serve Singaporeans ....

See the key word is " Singaporeans " . So what is this talk of " level playing field " and " meritocracy " by our minister ... it does'nt seems to align with Prime Minister's message . Singaporean Core .... a true blue Singaporeans who are born and bred in Singapore , and who have sunk roots here probably several generations ago ; given their " loyalty " and contributions to Singapore like national services for both fathers and sons alike . The new Singaporeans are not a core yet .... meaning " a core " is the central innermost , or most essential part of anything . The new citizens are just Singaporeans .... slightly different from the core but still much closer to Singapore as compared to foreigners . I have heard of some new Singaporeans with only the husbands taking up citizenship ; and their wife still hesitating . Why Heh !! The answer is so obvious ... in times of trouble , can quickly go back to their country of origin . Meanwhile , let's enjoy your HDB first . So are these loyal Singaporeans ?? I beg to differ . And the hundreds of thousands of PRs in Singapore ... still contemplating to become citizens after so many years .

My Ang Pow analogy :- every lunar new year , we chinese give out ang pows to unmarried children . Ask yourself how much $$$$ inside your ready pack "AngPows " .
> Are all your AngPows $$$$ same inside or with some differences .
> For your own children --- $$$$$$$$$ is it the most ?
> For your nephews and nieces or their children .... $$$$$ is it a bit lesser ?
> For your friends' children ....$$ is it much lesser ?
Hence, the answer is on the wall .... citizens and foreigners cannot be treated the same . This is universal law of humanity .... we are just human , not GOD .

Anonymous said...

If the PAP-govt minister really wants level playing field , meritocracy for jobs seeks regarding of nationalities then it has to remove ALLL the encumbrances the State imposed on its citizens.

Plesae do away with the retentions of our hard earned retirement savings;

Please create better level playing field with abolition of the compulsive enlisting of citizens or national service eg in military,police scdf, 're-service', physical test, evening remedial trainings, road march, atec etc etc etc

End the elistist and stressful education system & the indoctrination in the schools. Everybody must be educated to the highest level possible to compete with the massive influx of millions of third world countries'graudates from India, Pinoyland, Myanmar & Vietnam

How can there be level playing field if these are not removed?

together with our removal of our right to vote then it would the nation playing field would be truely 'levelled'

Anonymous said...

What about competing with foreigners with fake degrees and qualifications? What about third class universities that are seen as good class universities?

Ⓜatilah $ingapura⚠️ said...

There is no such thing as a "level playing field" in nature. We are all part of nature.

"Meritocracy" is also prevalent in nature. "Equality" is not present in nature -- it is a philosophical concept invented by modern man. In ancient times, for example, if you claimed that "all men are equal", you would either be killed on the spot, or driven out of town by people throwing rotting produce and shouting obscenities at you.

Got nature?

Anonymous said...

Stop hiding behind the monitor and stop airing your ignorance like a big man - gutless wonder.
Go get a life and mati somewhere else.
Got a life?

Ⓜatilah $ingapura⚠️ said...

@747:

Got. A damn good one. Anytime better than yours ;-)

Anonymous said...

Did NTUC try to do anything to stop the influx of hundred of thousands of foreigners from coming in to Singapore every year ?