5/15/2015

Degrees, degrees and fake degrees


The job of HR a few decades ago was pretty straight forward when vetting through the qualifications and CVs of a job applicant. In that piece of paper that the applicant submitted, you could practically verify everything with a few phone calls. But most of the time it was unnecessary as very few would dare to submit fake resumes for fear of the law and being discovered. It was so easy to find out the truth. The schools, the universities, the teachers, the references could be know to the HR or could easily be traced. After a simple process of verification of the certificates, an applicant could be hired based on what he has submitted.
 

When the door was thrown wide open to the world, in comes a deluge of snakes, scorpions, crocodiles and worms and the HR has a problem they never knew before. Was the govt, the HR and the system prepared and ready to face the world of fakes and cheats or compromised half baked education systems and degree mills?
 

The problem has exploded right in our face. In fact it exploded the moment the foreigners came in but everyone was in a state of denial. How to check on the quality of the education systems, the universities, schools, the grades when everyone appears to come from another planet and sounded like one? It was so easy to think that their systems are just as rigid and proper as ours, their standards were just as high as ours, their gradings as stringent as ours. Of course now we know a degree is not just a degree, an university is not just an university and a referee, testimonial, can all be faked or bought.
 

Now we are setting up agencies with foreigners to check on foreigners who knew how to buy their way out and would have not problem buying the checkers out. Did we foresee the problems then, before opening our doors? With the exposure of more and more fakes, the disease is deep inside us, seeped into every little nooks and corners of our systems like bed bugs, ringworms, tape worms, viruses and bacteria, everywhere.



Can we afford to live with them or is there a need to flush them out? The easy way of is to pretend all is fine. Where got problem? Prove to me lah, show me proof lah. If you can’t then don’t anyhow say. See, no problems right?
 

Oh, HR, please ask the applicants which degree or job references should be ignored, not to count, just for décor purposes in the CVs and which are genuine and to be counted. See, so easy to solve. QED. Just pretend or believe everyone is a talent will do. Or nevermind, just hire them and see if they can work. If can work good oredy. No need to bother about the degrees and testimonials and whether they are real or unreal.



PS. How to verify testimonials and recommendations from so and so of good work performance? Anyone wants to rely on such craps from crappy countries renowned for fakes and cheating?

22 comments:

Anonymous said...

With the exposure of more and more fakes, the disease is deep inside us, seeped into every little nooks and corners of our systems like bed bugs, ringworms, tape worms, viruses and bacteria, everywhere.
RB

So? And this even happened before 2011!

And despite that, PAP still won 93% seats with only 60% votes!

And in a report released on Thursday, research firm, Blackbox Research said “Only 20 per cent of Singaporeans now think the PAP will achieve fewer votes than in 2011, down 12 per cent since March and down 21 per cent since November 2014.”

So what do u think?

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

1997 GE 65 % led by GOH
2001 GE 75.3 % led by GOH (NOTE 10.3% swing)
2006 GE 66.6 %
2011 GE 60.1 %
2015 GE ???? %

Anonymous said...

Companies that want to hire Aliens ... please relocate to India, China or the Philippines.
We only welcome companies that benefit Singaporeans by hiring Singaporeans.
If you think Aliens are better, cheaper and faster ... please relocate to those countries.
For example, in India, you can hire as many Indian graduates as you want from all the prestigious Indian universities.
You can hire direct.
No need to use headhunters or agents.

Anonymous said...

"If you think Aliens are better, cheaper and faster ... please relocate to those countries."
Anon 12:42 p.m

Cannot lah. U know why?

Because when employers hire foreign talents to work in our own Sinkieland, they will have the best of both worlds mah. Alamak, this type of simple logic u also cannot see. So I presume u must be one of those daft Sinkies who voted opposition last election.

ℳatilah_$ingapura said...
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ℳatilah_$ingapura said...

@ kiasu kiasi RB:

>> Did we foresee the problems then, before opening our doors?

No one can identify all problems before the fact, and no one can accurately predict outcomes, either.

If you don't "open doors" or don't take risks, you'll get nowhere in life.

Singapore is in a position to EXPERIMENT. Try stuff, see what works. Don't discuss, don't talk, just DO and see what happens. In fact, Singapore itself is THE experiment!

Singapore cannot afford not to grow the population. More population, more prosperity, broader gene pool, more producers, consumers and investors.

Cuntries like many in the EU and Japan are having big problems of their population ageing too rapidly. Even China is going to have problems in 20 or so years time, unless the trend is reversed. India and Vietnam have YOUNG median ages, and they'll be claiming larger slices of the global economic pie.

No cuntree in the world like immigration on the scale it is occurring now. The modern man of 2015 has shown that he still has an animalistic and tribal nature, so you get people all over the world protesting their respective governments immigration policies---acting totally against their own long-term interests which is keeping up a growing economy to not only meet the needs of the market, but also to CREATE VALUE and WEALTH for the long term.

So fake degrees are a "problem". But it is quite easily managed and solved, and to some degree, it has, aided by---in o small part---to the "whistleblowing" from the public as well as their outrage.

Continuing human existence is all about "solving problems". Onto the next problem, then...yes, and there'll be many coming up...so what?

Chua Chin Leng aka redbean said...

Is growing population the only way for economic growth? Obviously not. Growing population for growth will end up with population that will become the biggest problem and may lead to our own destruction.

It cannot be a reckless and careless growing of population without putting on some control and qualifications.

Anonymous said...

Is growing population the only way for economic growth? Obviously not.
RB 2:15 p.m.

Tiok, not the only way. But it is the fastest way, and also can see the results fastest.

Other ways have to wait long long, maybe 50 years, u know. And no guarantee of results some more. Got time to wait or not, u tell me lah? And in the long term, real Sinkies are all dead, or extinct rather, due to their below replacement fertility rate !

Anonymous said...

"It cannot be a reckless and careless growing of population without putting on some control and qualifications."
RB 2:15 p.m.

Can lah, as long as PAP has risk control measures in place for PAP lah.

In fact this risk control measure has already been provided adequately for PAP by the opposition not being ready to be govt lah, as well as the mentality of 60% Sinkies of never voting for such a opposition in as govt.

So with that, PAP no need to have additional risk control measures lah, on the qualifications of foreign talents and the reckless growing of their population.

b said...

Merely those hr are so lazy these days. Fake degrees so easy to check. Just only need to use some googling or asked the applicant to produce their receipt for school fees.

Anonymous said...

How much money have we lost?
How much money have we given away?
How many PMETs have been cheated of their jobs?
How many fake foreigners have been employed?
How many of our genuine PMETs are reporting to fake and no degree holders?

Anonymous said...

"Because when employers hire foreign talents to work in our own Sinkieland, they will have the best of both worlds mah."
May 15, 2015 12:56 p.m.

We don't care about the employers.
If they don't benefit Singaporeans, we will close down their business here in Singapore with high taxes.
We don't need such employers polluting our Singapore and adding to the congestion without any discernible benefits to Singaporeans.

Anonymous said...

"We don't need such employers polluting our Singapore and adding to the congestion without any discernible benefits to Singaporeans."
Anon 5:59 p.m.

Sorry lah, u are not PM Lee, and although much as I support your idea, but as long as at least 60% will vote PAP every election due to the opposition not ready to take over PAP, it simply cannot happen lah.

Anonymous said...

Please please please RB, can you please give this subject a rest? You must have trashed this subject to death by now. If your HRs in the MNC, Government authorities, Government related companies cannot or do not distinguish between Singapore University degrees or degrees from foreign universities, then who are you to run down the FTs who come and work in Singapore with foreign qualifications. Singaporean graduates from local universities may be good at regurgitating formulae and memorising books and answers, they are just like robots who cannot think out of the box. Compared to the FTs from India or China who are innovative and have the ability for lateral thinking, Singaporean graduates are far inferior. I think to overcome this, Singaporeans should rethink the education system as a whole and maybe in another 20 years from now Singapore will be able to produce graduates to compete with these foreign graduates. So until then, please RB, give this topic a rest. OK?

ℳatilah_$ingapura said...

@ RB:

>> Is growing population the only way for economic growth? <<

No, but it is a component (there are several) and a vital one if you want to keep your population from AGEING---which was a problem for Singapore.

At some point in the very near future, the historical fact whether or not the PAP invoked their policy of open borders and "spurs in the back" isn't going to matter---there'll be 9 billion human souls on our "Pale Blue Dot" by 2050. Every city in the world will be crowded, boiling with life and activity.

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Transcript from NatGeo interview with LKY:

Q: “Do you think that’s inevitable or do you think that people just get lazy or what?”

Mr Lee: “No, I think the spurs are not stuck on your hinds. They are part of the herd, why-go-faster? But when you’re lagging behind, you must go faster to catch up with the herd. I’m quite sure that there are children of the migrants who strive arduously. When they grow up in the same schools as the Singaporeans, the same playing fields, same environment and they begin to adopt Singaporean habits in the ways of living and thinking. So I’m quite sure they’d become like us. Well, because we’re shrinking in our population, our fertility ratio is about 1.29.

Q: “I actually wanted to ask you about that.”

Mr Lee: ”So it’s a worrying factor. So we’ll need a constant inflow but we’re a small population, so we get the inflow and we get the inflow from the educated end of the population, both Indians and Chinese and they’ve got surplus populations. Well, I won’t say surplus but they’ve got huge population, huge numbers.”

Q: “They have people to spare, that’s for sure.”

Mr Lee: “No and they’ve got fierce competition there, so when they come here, higher standards of living for the time being, better social environment with jobs.”

Q: “What would you say the parents of the second or third generation of Singaporeans and their children are not able to compete with the new people? How do you tell them?”

Mr Lee: “We tell them look, they have got to work harder or they’ll become stupid. It’s just that they don’t see the point of it. Why race when you can canter and save your energy and do other things? Art, ballet, sports whereas these new migrants, they spend all their time slogging away in the library or at home.”

Wah lau. Kena tekan for liking arts and sports. 😂😂

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@ horrified RB:

>> It cannot be a reckless and careless growing of population <<

Why not? I hoping that it is. Actually, it's not too far away from being a total free-for-all.

That's the best way. Let everything come to "play", slowly, some cheaters get caught. The system learns, and improve. Step by step. Little failures here and there; that's to be expected.

In short, this whole "re-imagining" of Singapore---and I think it is about time---needs to be as EXPERIMENTAL by testing wild, unpopular ideas as much as possible---let shit fail, and learn, adapt.


Anonymous said...

"Sorry lah, u are not PM Lee, and although much as I support your idea, ..."
May 15, 2015 8:00 p.m.

PM Lee is running scared of a 16 year old boy.
Your grassloot fortune is resting a house of cards.

Anonymous said...

FT so talented. degree mill also don't know. But I must say the people who believed her story is more stupid than her.

Oh dear, you are right if the people who believed in her daft story are sinkies. That only proved that sinkies are really daft and a daft foreign trash could convince with a silly story.

ℳatilah_$ingapura said...

@ panic-stricken, RB:

>> How to check on the quality of the education systems, the universities, schools, the grades when everyone appears to come from another planet and sounded like one?

It's not that hard. The govt can do it by setting up an "accreditation authority" or you could throw it out to the market and allow private enterprise to compete for govt tender. Govt gives the specifications, and tenders have to demonstrate their effectiveness in the quantitative analysis, and the robustness of their procedures.

We live in an age where Big Data tells many stories and makes it very unprofitable to LIE. BUT you need the people and systems, and a nice "profit incentive / motive" to ensure that these systems evolve and the people who own and run them get paid.

Those degree holders who are applying for jobs get to pay the fees required to "verify" their qualifications, so it is the job applicants who are "incentivised" to tell the truth, because if the lie, they'll get caught and lose both money and reputation.

The "accreditation verifiers" are also incentivised to be thorough and precise because their reputations and thus their capacity to earn depend ENTIRELY on their performance.

Every "problem" has a market solution. Thrown in some profit and loss incentives and disincentives, and you'll find that market participants from every angle snap to attention, quick smart.

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Anonymous said...

Simple test. 500,000 of the most infamous people from countries infamous for cheating and faking degrees and resumes are here. How many are caught?

A rule of thumb, at least 50% are fakes, that is 250,000. They are checking? You got brain or not? Even the most conservative estimate of 20% fakes makes 100,000 of them here.

Anonymous said...

When you have fake politicians and fake ministers in your country, you surely will get fake and dishonest people from corrupted countries to become your fake New Citizens.

neo wee min neowm said...

Singapore system is becoming a joke.....renowned for integrity and meritocracy PAP is now a fake degree launderer...and other insidious motives of recruiting voters....all to the detriment of core and trustworthy singaporeans....