10/07/2016

What is the true meaning of military alliances?

 

Many countries are signing military alliances with the Americans and having war games with the Americans, practicing how to conduct joint attacks against American’s enemy countries. The war games sound so innocent, like playing computer games but actually a preparation for war, to attack and invade

Not many people are thinking about the significance of war games and military alliances with the Americans. Duterte is standing up to enlighten the unthinking about military alliances and war games. Signing military alliances with the Americans is as good as signing up your enemies, identifying your enemies and declaring to your enemies that they are your enemies. And conducting war games is now very clear. It is about attacking and invading your enemy countries.

The Americans are practicing to conduct war with their allies. And when the Americans go to war, the allies will be part of the American coalition of invaders. And all the soldiers and military hardware of the allied countries would come under the American command. Now it makes sense why they sell weapons to their allies. They did not only make money from it, the weapons would be used eventually to fight on the side of the Americans.

Duterte did not want any of it. Duterte did not want to sign up enemy countries. Duterte did not want to antagonize other countries by conducting war games against them. A friendly country does not keep provoking its neighbours by conducting war games and signing military alliances that said we are your enemy.

Why would countries preach peace, but sign military alliances, conduct regular war games and sell military weapons everywhere? For peace?

Now the Philippines are being threatened by the Americans to honour their treaty obligations. If not more pressure will be exerted on ‘abuses’ especially on human rights and killings of drug lords and peddlars. The Americans are also threatening to rein in the purse strings, ie, no more aids, no more antique warships for the Phi8lippines. Can the Philippines get out of the military treaty signed? It is a case of you can say you want out but you just cannot leave, once you are in?

One funny question to ask, who had invaded the Philippines and colonized the Philippines in the past? China! Wrong, idiot. Next. China! Wrong again, stupid. The first country that invaded and colonized the Philippines was Spain. The next country was the USA. The Americans did the same, conquered and colonized the Philippines. Anymore? It’s Japan. The Japanese also conquered and colonized the Philippines and in the process massacred hundreds of Pinoys like the Spaniards and the American invaders. And some daft Pinoys are asking the Japanese and the Americans, their colonial masters and murderers of their forefathers, to protect them from China!

Has China ever invaded and colonized the Philippines?

129 comments:

Anonymous said...

Politic is about lies. What we see up front may not be the real reasons behind. The invasion of Iraq still a mystery.

Hermit said...

So is the invasion of Afghanistan.

Chua Chin Leng aka redbean said...

The invasions of Iraq and Libya are no longer mysteries. The two dictators were working out a scheme to trade oil not in US dollar. They must be taken out or the US dollar would become waste papers.

Unfortunately for the Americans, the US dollar that is basically a piece of worthless paper would still turn into its real form, waste paper.

With the Yuan becoming an international currency, now accepted by IMF as one of the reserved currencies for drawing rights, the fate of the US dollar is sealed.

Anonymous said...

Has China ever invaded and colonized the Philippines?
RB

No lah, of course. But the Philippines is rich in resources. This is what China may be looking at. And knowing Duterte, China is financing to build drug rehabilitation centres to help the Philippines.

You know China went to Myanmar, Africa and even Vietnam for their natural resources. And because China got so much resources from Africa, they even built whole townships there but let it be deserted because Africans cannot afford!

Nothing is free and good in this world lah, RB.

Anonymous said...

// Has China ever invaded and colonized the Philippines? //

Tiok.
Has China ever invaded and colonized Singapore?
If not, then who provided the opportunity for economic refugees from China to escape starvation by coming to Singapore?

Did LKY founded Singapore?
Or was it Stamford Raffles?

So who is Singapore's daddy?
LKY or Stamford Raffles?

Anonymous said...


Dont play play with China!

China is the new mega economic power!

If you "friend friend" with them, they may give you a bit of the cake!

Want to fill stomach or con't with your war games?

You decide.......you choose!

Lycurgus80ofsparta said...

A lot of people think that the reason the USG go to war is for natural resources. That may be partly correct. But the main reason is to spread democracy and human rights, the USG is also driven by ideology. But democracy simply cannot work in areas with a tribal mindset. They were doomed to failure from the start.

I prefer China's way of doing things it is far more pragmatic.

Veritas said...

The white man NGO have an anti-development, anti-good, pro-Islam, pro-satan, pro-shit, pro-gay, pro-feminist, pro-black agenda.

If you kill 3000 drug lords (assuming some innocent are killed), you may save 100,000 life in 10 years, who will die in cross fire, kidnap, drug abuse, gang fight....etc. Backward society like philippines has no resource or institution of modern society to be surgical accurate in targeting criminals.

The blunt way is the best way forward. Else the society cannot move at all.

White man elites and Jews knew that exactly. All these NGO are saboter of 3rd world countries.

Anonymous said...

So who is Singapore's daddy?
LKY or Stamford Raffles?
10:05 am

I think should be Stamford Raffles lah. Because of Raffles, heng ah, Singapore has not become another state of Malaysia like Penang, Sabah and Sarawak.

And because of Tunku Abdul Rahman, Singapore was expelled from Malaysia to become independent in 1965. It was not that LKY want Singapore to be independent, u know. LKY even cried when Singapore became independent!

Veritas said...

I do not think USA is there to spread democracy and BTW white man international code of conduct is enshrine is Westphalia, sovereignty above all.

The post westphalian model have big problems. Democracy and human right was prioritized over sovereignty, which was then abused by USA imperialist.

For example Libya and Iraq, was better with Saddam and Gaddaffi. The intervention of USA to promote democracy in Libya and Syria was manifested as a pretext, and in reality, the true intention is to roll back humanity and democracy for allowing Sunni scum to take power.

Lycurgus80ofsparta said...

Ya, western style government cannot work for the phillipines, they need a legalist system. The white man only managed to progress by killing off a lot of its criminal population. This reduction in undesirable dna over the course of the centuries is the reason why western society is more functional.

But not killing criminals you are retarding the eugenic process by allowing criminals to pass on their DNA.

Veritas said...

The white man society ever prevalence of parasitic NGO is results of capital supremacy and manipulation over political power. NGO is there to paralyzed the state machine using lofty tenets, which is impossible even for a modern society to achieve.

NGOs are LIAR. For example, today NGO slam China using coal for destruction of environment. In reality, coal is the BIGGEST PROTECTION of environment. When coal was not there earlier, the result is massive deforestation, a even worse air pollution due to burning wood. Coal in reality result to massive conservation of forest.

Imagine a thought scenario when China abandon coal in favor of fire wood. FUcking NGO will cry foul over deforestation.

In short, the best thing for NGO is that everyone in 3rd world country remain as a cave man.

patriot said...


lt should not be forgotten that the British did try to destroy the Chinese by getting the Latter addicted to OPIUM.
The Brits themselves did not consume the Drug.

And now the White is stopping President Duterte to wean the Pinoy from drugs.

Ex Thai Prime Minister Thaksin was
the First to rid Thailand of Drug Lords and he got into trouble. lt is not too farfetch to suspect that he
was a victim of the White too.

The Thais and Pinoys should learn the Lesson of the Chinese.


patriot



Veritas said...

RB has a little under estimate China maritime supremacy and Chinese involvement in Philippines. Below is Chinese armada and their invasion of Java, -- year 1293.

In reality Chinese has set up states in Philippines.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasion_of_Java


The Mongol invasion of Java was a military effort made by Kublai Khan, founder of the Yuan dynasty (one of the fragments of the Mongol Empire), to invade Java, an island in modern Indonesia. In 1293, he sent a large invasion fleet to Java with 20,000 to 30,000 soldiers.

Anonymous said...

Lycurgus80ofsparta said...
A lot of people think that the reason the USG go to war is for natural resources. That may be partly correct. But the main reason is to spread democracy and human rights, the USG is also driven by ideology

What nonsense are you uttering? And here another one.

Lycurgus80ofsparta said...
Ya, western style government cannot work for the phillipines, they need a legalist system. The white man only managed to progress by killing off a lot of its criminal population.

If you cannot understand the nonsense you are writing, one, the US is doing everything for the sake of the Empire, to rule the world. Is that so difficult to understand?

And the criminals that they killed, massacred, asked them if the natives they slaughtered by the millions when they invaded and conquered their land were criminals? The Red Indians, the African negro slaves, the Latin American natives, the natives of Africa and Asia, the natives of Philippines and Indonesia, they were criminals? The natives of NZ and Australias were criminals that needed to be killed?

Whahahhahhhahahhahhha. Please lah.

Lycurgus80ofsparta said...

Regarding Thaksin, what do you guys think about the coup against him ? Was it organised by western intelligence ? If so, what would be their interest there ?

Veritas said...
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patriot said...


Unfortunately, NGOs and
VWOs are allowed in PRC and many Oversea Chinese are in cahoot with Aliens of mostly Whites to spread Christianity, the English/ American Language and Western Cultures into China and other parts of the World.

The Indigenous Folks of all sovereign countries got to beware of these missions in the Disguises of Democracy and Freedom.


patriot



Veritas said...

The Chinese pirate Koxinga 郑成功 alone, using his pirate forces are able to take Taiwan from Dutch. He died before his expedition against Philippines. If Koxinga has his way, today philippines may belong to China.

The territorial gain of Taiwan in favor of China is Koxinga's work.

In 1662, Koxinga's Chinese forces raided several towns in the Philippines and demanded tribute from the Spanish colonial government, threatening to attack Manila if his demands were not met. The Spanish refused to pay the tribute and reinforced the garrisons around Manila, but the planned attack never took place due to Koxinga's sudden death in that year after expelling the Dutch on Taiwan.

Koxinga's threat to invade the Philippines and expel the Spanish resulted in the Spanish failure to conquer the Islamic Moro people in Mindanao. The threat of Chinese invasion forced the Spanish to stop their conquest of the Moros and withdraw their garrisons to Manila. Koxinga's death resulted in the invasion being cancelled. The Spanish retreated occurred in 1663. Zamboanga and Mindanao became devoid of Spanish soldiers after the Chinese threat against Manila. The Chinese threat effectively destroyed the Spanish plan to conquer and colonize the Moros in Zamboanga. Governor Bobadilla was the one who conducted the evacuation. Mindanao was just about to be colonised by Christians before Koxinga's planned conquest of the Philippines destroyed the entire Spanish plan to conquer Mindanao. Iligan and Zamboanga were given up by the Spanish.

Lycurgus80ofsparta said...

yes, you are probably right. They are using democracy just as an excuse for moral justification.

Veritas said...

The Ming era was a era of great Chinese navigators, and Europe basically got fucked in every confrontation versus Chinese navigator.

Today banana suck white man cock. Not knowing that white man lost their pants in maritime conflict with china.

China could have taken Philippines.

And Chinese Peranakan presence in SE Asia was even far before the Malay in Malaysia. As Chinese navigator win and win, the white man loses their pants got piss off and genocide peranakan.

Peranakan has not shame. Today they suck white man cock when white man rape their women and kill their fathers.

FUCK PERANAKAN.

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Exalted by his success against European arms, Koxinga resolved upon the conquest of the Philippines. He summoned to his service the Italian Dominican missionary, Vittorio Riccio, who had been living in the province of Fukien, and in the spring of 1662 dispatched him as an ambassador to the governor of the Philippines to demand the submission of the archipelago.

Manila was thrown into a terrible panic by this demand, and indeed no such danger had threatened the Spanish in the Philippines since the invasion of Li-ma-hong. The Chinese conqueror had an innumerable army, and his armament, stores, and navy had been greatly augmented by the surrender of the Dutch. The Spaniards, however, were united on resistance. The governor, Don Sabiano Manrique de Lara, returned a defiant answer to Koxinga, and the most radical measures were adopted to place the colony in a state of defense.

The colony was weak and unprepared for defense, and consequently terrified. There were 25,000 Chinese living in Parian, north of the Pasig River, in Manila. Fearful lest these Chinese cooperate in the designs of Koxinga, they were all ordered to leave the Islands. Unable to do so at once, and fearful of massacre, they arose in rebellion and assaulted the city of Manila. The result was a terrible massacre, which cost the lives of thousands of the Chinese. Other bands wandered off into the mountains, where they perished at the hands of the natives. Others, escaping by frail boats, joined the Chinese colonists on Formosa.

Lycurgus80ofsparta said...

Wasted la if Konxiga suceeded we'd have a Ming dynasty state in the phillipines!

Restore the Ming dynasty!

Gas the machus, race war now!

Veritas said...

There is a need to study China and SE Asia history carefully that PAP and post colonial government denied to us.

In fact, China could have taken SE Asia.

We missed it.

patriot said...


Thaksin was not friendly with the US. He was apparently more friendly with China much like Mahathir of Malaysia.

The US of course would like to have Thailand as an ally to reinforce the
encirclement of China.
lf it(US) succeeds, the Encirclement would be more complete.


patriot





Veritas said...

//////////////
Regarding Thaksin, what do you guys think about the coup against him ? Was it organised by western intelligence ? If so, what would be their interest there ?
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Thaksin was pro China. USA hate him.

Thaksin was too powerful. Thailand is in reality a psedo absolute monarchy. The Royal hate him.

Lycurgus80ofsparta said...

But even if China could settle a lot of colonist in south east asia, my gut feeling is that they like the vietnamese would break away from imperial rule and establish their own dynasty.

The IQ of south east asia would certainly be higher. And confucian traditions be more widespread in south east asia, just like in vietnam. But i doubt that it would remain as one political entity.

patriot said...


Concur with Veritas.


patriot


Lycurgus80ofsparta said...

No wonder Thailand has become a heaven for western sex tourist. It is the sexual colonization of Thailand. So much for democracy, Thaksin won by popular vote but when he was overthrowed there was no NGos protesting.

Anonymous said...

/// China is the new mega economic power!
If you "friend friend" with them, they may give you a bit of the cake!
Want to fill stomach or con't with your war games?
You decide.......you choose! ///
October 07, 2016 10:07 am

Typical cocksucking Singaporean slave.
Always looking for a new slave master to suck cock.
Learn to depend on yourself to get out of the shit hole PAP has created for us.

Why replace the PAP shit hole for the China or America shit hole?
A shit hole is a shit hole.
If you are in a shit hole ... you are a piece of shit.

Anonymous said...

/// In reality Chinese has set up states in Philippines.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasion_of_Java

The Mongol invasion of Java was a military effort made by Kublai Khan, founder of the Yuan dynasty (one of the fragments of the Mongol Empire), to invade Java, an island in modern Indonesia. ///
October 07, 2016 10:39 am

Since when are Mongolians regarded as Han Chinese?
Since when was the Yuan Dynasty regarded as a Chinese Dynasty?

Mongolians were conquerors and warriors.
Mongolians terrorized the Europeans all the way to the gates of Austria.

Han Chinese were slaves of the Chinese Emperors.
Spent a couple of centuries working as slaves to build the Great Wall of China to hide from Mongolain warriors.

Veritas said...

Stupid, these are Han mercenary.

Mongol and Manchu conquest of China use mostly Han mercenary.

Lycurgus80ofsparta said...

i doubt Chinese influence over south east Asia would change anything in the long run. South east asia used to be heavily influenced by indian culture. But now only Bali has managed to retain a bit of that culture.

Veritas said...

The SE Asian has traditional affinity to Chinese culture. And Vietnam is a successful example of Confucian expansion in SE Asia.

Maybe Taiwan is another example (Malay being Confucianized)

Chinese is not imperialistic. We do not try to evangelized our culture.

The civilization change of SE Asia is volatile. If we have maintain the maritime supremacy, defeating white man, SE Asian may be confucius ocean.

The weakening of our maritime power gave Islam and white man a chance to spread their culture.


Chua Chin Leng aka redbean said...

With a few exceptions, the rules of the Mongols and the Manchus, the Chinese Empire or the territories of China expanded/contracted around the peripherals of the land mass. The Chinese did not have designs to conquer other lands outside the Chinese 天下.

The expeditions of Zheng He spoke clearly of the Chinese intent and their respect of other countries and their rights to exist independently. The West have been distorting this truth and many silly Asians, especially of Chinese origins, are also spreading this myth. I just wrote a piece on ending this stupid western myth.

Singapore is the biggest culprit with the most silly pricks singing the American/western myth. You can read them in the msm almost daily. Know your history, know your facts and not be misled by western myths.

Don't be a banana that got confused with its own colour, not sure it is white or yellow.

Veritas said...

Koxinga war is personal effort not an act of Chinese state. Koxinga in essence is a pirate.

Lycurgus80ofsparta said...

Memes like bananas drive the race traitors crazy. Recently i got to know another one, its called rice cooker. It refers to a Chinese/japanese/korean woman who has a kid with a white man. Because after u cook rice it turns from yellow to white. lol.

We should slut shame all Chinese women who date white men. Miscengenation is the greatest threat to our race. Because mixed kids cannot identify as chinese hence they will be hostile to our cause.

Anonymous said...

Singapore is the biggest culprit with the most silly pricks singing the American/western myth.
RB 11:54 am

Doesn't matter lah, as long as Singapore(read PAP)leaders have the strong majority support of Singapore voters.

With this strong support, how can Singapore leaders be silly pricks? Or are you implying majority Singapore voters are even more silly pricks? Like it takes for a greater fool to be conned by a fool?

Anonymous said...

RB raised alert of an interesting issue Duterte faces. From reports, Philippines are to allow US navy to use its ports as and when, where ever they want. Philippines govt must act in accordance to US s advices. US gives Philippines $180 millions aids. We knew $33 millions already used on acquiring the Judgment of "international laws" against china.
The future is a problem: Philippines want to buy certain weapons, but US refuse to sell. Duterte said Russia was willing to sell all the requested weapons.
Obama left with 4 months to go, will not bother with Duterte, as Hillary is likely to take over. So Duterte is likely to taret taret so that he can get cheaper prices for the weapons from US.
From Taiwan s reports. Taiwan paid for outdated US weapons at more expensive prices. This is the real US Allied s consequence. Taiwan cannot buy other s weapons. It cannot develop powerful weapons like nuclear. U can see the future is stuck.

The Philippines FM, frequently said after Duterte s hash words, that Philippines does not want to be US s "little brother". Philippines wants to have "independent" foreign policy. From the FM s words and Duterte s fire phases, we can know Philippines politicians are very unhappy. So Obama wants to stop Philippines to clean up drugs pushers on the streets was taken as a way to colonize Philippines again.
Who does not agree that drug is a way to rule a foreign country?
China had fought the Opium War with the western countries. And lost HK to UK after the war.
Drug is deep inside many US s colonies. Taiwan especially the southern parts are heavily affected by drug pushers on streets due to their loose legal punishment.

US wants Philippines to follow its carriers to patrol Scs with Japan is pushing Philippines into war front with China.

US s carriers are monitored by China s satellites which can image object of 50m, while Carriers are 300m long. And DF21D are programmed to be guided by the satellites. This is reported in mass media, no secret. If Philippines wants to follow US s carriers, they will be the targets.

That i think is a reason Duterte does not want to be the war front dead lamb. Of course, the Japanese are not afraid of dying, and one little country also willing to do so. But US carriers never carried out the promised of ensuring " freedom of navigations" by patrolling at Scs every 3 months. Why? Its already 5 months passes.

That can be a good reason for Duterte to panic. How to rely on US? Will US support Philippines when pinoys attack Huangyen dao, the island near Philippines, but owned by China s 9 dashlines, but declared illegal by the Judgment?
If readers look at the US s chicken out behavior, there is reason to understand Duterte s needs. What?

From Duterte s fire words to US, I think Duterte wants to buy powerful weapons. He wants Philippines to be a regional power similar to Indon. Not dependent on US. Jokowi and Duterte have some similarity. They are independent of US in minds.
Bear in mind. Malaysia is also using Russian jets.

Indon is having a war game at Naturna island to declare it owns Naturna island. Jokowi is there. U know, Indon has Su 35 and other Su su.. jets. These are real jets can bomb, not the US jets that cannot (according to Mahathia).
Philippines wants to be like Indon, not with straps on its neck.

Allied with US is like the attack dogs of US, what Philippines did in the past, to get into a "legal" issue, but US lacks the power to implement against China. A country future is spoiled by US s interest. US dies, these countries also kena kicks aside in future.

Better pray for US s USD will not collapse when Saudi and China let go of their holding of US bonds.
For those who dont know what is "bonds". A Singaporean holds S$8millions of a Sin Co bonds. Now the bonds are able to return him $0.02 per dollar because the co is bankrupt.
So if US is bankrupt, Sin will be the regional power as US allied force in future?

Anonymous said...

/// We should slut shame all Chinese women who date white men. Miscengenation is the greatest threat to our race. Because mixed kids cannot identify as chinese hence they will be hostile to our cause. ///
October 07, 2016 12:14 pm

Do you think miscegenation is the only way Chinese slaves can conquer the world?
- Do you think Chinese women like to marry their fellow Chinese slaves?
- Do you think it's better to marry up and marry the slave master instead?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2601626/Rupert-Murdoch-opens-ex-wife-Wendi-Dengs-love-note-Tony-Blair.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2152730/Zhang-Ziyi-pictured-frolicking-beach-billionaire-ex-fianc-Aviv-Vivi-Nevo.html

http://www.justjared.com/2015/10/31/jamie-chung-marries-bryan-greenberg-in-santa-barbara-on-halloween-weekend/

Anonymous said...

@ October 07, 2016 11:13 am

If say like than SCS case has much to discuss. And Mongol should breakoff from China.
When in favor of PRC you support , not in favor of PRC you deny. That's f*** up.

In the end , no difference. Equally BS , objective just to win.,

Anonymous said...

@ No wonder Thailand has become a heaven for western sex tourist.

So you think Thai sex workers who they prefer ? The Ang Mo tourist customers or PRC tourist customers ?

Anonymous said...

@ " We should slut shame all Chinese women who date white men. "

What talking you ?

So you are saying we should learned from the Muslim?

All cover up or throw stone at them ?

We should deemed Schooling at zero instead of a gold medalist. We should praise Li jia wei for returning back to China after she's rich.

Anonymous said...

@ Lycurgus80ofsparta @ October 07, 2016 12:14pm

/// ... its called rice cooker. It refers to a Chinese/japanese/korean woman who has a kid with a white man. Because after u cook rice it turns from yellow to white. lol. ///
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Who are you calling a rice cooker?
Do you think Singapore will still have an Olympic Gold medal champion?

Anonymous said...

Duterte is very strong in the Philippines. So he can do what he likes in the Philippines.

Hsien Loong is very strong in Singapore. Which Sinkie still doesn't know this? So Hsien Loong can do what he likes in Singapore.

Anonymous said...

If "Singaporean" were a race.
Do you think 70% of us are race traitors?

Why are Singaporean rice cookers marrying with pigs and giving birth to so many white pigs?

Anonymous said...

Do you think 70% of us are race traitors?
1:53 pm

Traitors to who? Daft and money no enough Sinkies?

Veritas said...

I always pro cross breeding. The world MOST fuck up people are Indians who genocide Dalits and Brahmins Romance.

That is why we need to open them a FUCKING school. They have wrong mentality of FUCKING. To graduate from FUCKING school, the Brahmins need to marry a Dalit.

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Lycurgus80ofsparta said...

How is cross breeding good for us ? Since we got the highest IQ 2nd only to Azkenazi Jews. Any sort of race mixing will generally lower IQ. But the worst problem is that it dilutes cultural identity. The Singapore government because it promotes civic nationalism is very much in favour of race mixing, hence the loyalty of an individual will no longer be to his tribe but to his nation state. This is what the globalist crave, a rootless cosmopolitan, population which cares not about the tribe but about the the latest I phone.

True diversity is found by keeping the races/castes separate.




Veritas said...

Chinese race achieve greatness due to cross breeding. No such thing as pure Han.

Cantonese, Hokkien are Yue 越。

Ningxia Hui are half Turkic.

Yunnan are mix minorities.

Lycurgus80ofsparta said...

This is true, its the same for Ayrans (indo europeans). No race is a 100 percent pure. I generally don't mind cross east asian breeding because korean/chinese/japanese/vietnamese look alike it is easy to blend in, to a lesser extend with Melanesian. Mixed marriage with caucasoids on the other hand makes the offspring looking neither east Asian nor caucasoid. They will not be welcome in white society nor east Asian society.

I'm not 100 percent against mixed marriages. But it should be kept to a minimum should our people retain their identity.







Veritas said...

My opinion is different. Han is not really a race but in reality, Han is something like Islam, anyone who defines themselves according to Han culture is Han.

So anyone is free to join, so long you identify with us. Problem is not breeding but after inter-racial marriage, people tends to find shit culture like caste system, suicide bombing sexy.

This is in part PAP fault. PAP denigrate our culture so much, exulting White man, Malay and Hindu so much that Chinese hybrid normally take up someone else identity.

Veritas said...

And one of the reason that Chinese marry Islamo in Singapore identify with Malay is because it open them a lot of free lunch to do evil and at the same time, the more evil they do, the more moral they are.

For example before when you are Chinese, you CANNOT hate Jews. That will mean you are racist.

After you convert to malay, you MUST hate Jews. The more you hate Jews, the better, that means you are good person.

And when you are Chinese loser, you can only blame yourselves.

After you convert to Islam, suddenly you can blame Chinese racist sabotage for your failure.

Han carry too much onus.

Malay culture are too shitty and have too little responsibility and open up too many potential to be evil, and yet get away with evil,

So convert to Islam is the MOST sensible way for Han.

But most Han are too virtuous to align with shit malay culture. We prefer to suffer than to be shit.

jjgg said...

if we don't continue to sing American praises n plp the Americans..what will become of the billions we spent on the useless planes etc..looks lie our dice already cast..what happens if American warfare technology becomes obsolete or
are overtaken by the Chinese n Russians..all our neighbours have everything but American..then how?

Lycurgus80ofsparta said...

This is a very dangerous way of thinking. If this is the case China could import 20 million Africans and 20 million Arabs. If they believe in sinic confucian culture it would be ok.
It is just like western countries concept of bringing in migrants in the hope that they can assimilate to western culture.

This will not work because people will group up with others who look similar for their group interest. Hence african americans seperate from white americans even though they have the same culture.

The Japanese way of seeing Japanese as a race with the same ancestry is a far better.

Veritas said...

I was a school teacher having Malay students. Some of these tell me they experience Chinese racism.

I am not too sure if these "racism" really make them fail and fail. They fail because they keep playing. Chinese do well because we keep on studying.

But looking at their face, they are undaunted, and they are determine to blame fucking chinese racist for making them a loser, for puting on job ad with Mandarin language requirement.

And ALL these hate have been contributed by Straits FUCKING TIMES, who keep trumpeting Chinese racist.

Mahathir and some Malay elites are more honest. They said FUCK you Malay, you deserver to be loser.

Our ST masturbated too much grieve into Malay shit brain that some of them keep trying to bomb and kill us. All these are Peranakan evil plan of de-sinicization.

Lycurgus80ofsparta said...

@1:47 pm
"So you are saying we should learned from the Muslim?"

Yes, but they are not extreme enough.

"All cover up or throw stone at them ?"

yes

"We should deemed Schooling at zero instead of a gold medalist. We should praise Li jia wei for returning back to China after she's rich."

You like men from other tribes fucking women from your tribe. You are a cuck, go kill yourself.

b said...

Uas domination will come to an end but there is a price - a WW3. It will throw all back to stone age. Will not do anyone good. Its okay to be second and no need to be number one. Only when number one becomes very weak, it will make sense to takeover.

Veritas said...

I certainly do not encourage mass migration. This is dangerous.

And the Chinese way of sincization is China expand very slow. For 2000 years, Chinese empire expand till now 200%. So, Han can absorb minorities easily.

Anonymous said...

Veritas, Chinese and Muslim are the oldest allies. - Ming dynasty.

Chinese also helps Muslim sultanate to defeat European power.

Ming dynasty display high respect for Muslim sultanate.

Anonymous said...

Veritas, Can you tell me anything about relationship between Ottoman empire and Ming dynasty?

Veritas said...

Chinese ally with Muslims and even USA before.

But now Allah damn Sunni core state Saudi open Jihad camp for Uighur training suicide kid to kill a lot of Chinese.

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Chua Chin Leng aka redbean said...

Anonymous said...
If "Singaporean" were a race.
Do you think 70% of us are race traitors?

Why are Singaporean rice cookers marrying with pigs and giving birth to so many white pigs?
October 07, 2016 1:53 pm

This is quite extremist view. The world is gradually turning into a mixed pot of rice and we should not be so dismissive and negative about mixed marriages. There are many positives and even benefits in mixed marriages. It is not just negative.

The problem is the mindset and how people got a mindset planted in their heads without knowing why and take on very strong views determined by other people. This is the sad and dangerous part.

Veritas said...

I do not know much about Ottoman vs China. But I know ottoman CALIPHATE was destroyed by Sunni tag team Wahhabi tag team Al Saud, tag team hashemite tag team british.

So Sunni are traitor of Islam. They are sabo kid. They want only fucking chaos. They destroy caliphate one moment and then today, KPKB to bring back caliphate.

In reality Sunni are mad dog who do not know what they want.

Lycurgus80ofsparta said...

Eh the relationship betweem Islam and China go way back to the Yuan dynasty b4 the Ming. The first mosque in China was built by the Persian sailors in the Fujian province around 1300s. It was b4 the ottomans who really came to prominence in the 1400s.

Lycurgus80ofsparta said...

As for the relationship between Ming and ottomans. I don't think there was one. But Zhu Yuanzhang viewed them quite favorably.

Veritas said...

No. Firs contact of China and Islam went back Tang Dynasty, during the earliest day of Islam. There was a famous war between China and Abasid Caliphate, Battle of Talas in today Kazakhstan/Kyrgyzstan.

Then Chinese expeditionary force lost. This war has far reaching consequence that Central Asia get Islamized. if China won the war, Central Asia may be Sinicized.

Shortly after the war, The Tang dynasty imploded and it was until Qing Dynasty that China is able return to Central Asia, which is mostly Muslims by then.

Veritas said...

The white man and moron Sunni have no clue that somewhere Afghanistan/Kazakstan/Kyrgistan give birth to THE GREATEST Chinese poet Li Bai. Li Bai was born in central Asia.

The Islamo land give birth not only to nut head Taliban, but also the the GREATEST Chinese poet, whose literary feat is still unsurpassed today.

During their exile in the far west, the Li family lived in the ancient Silk Road city of Suiye (Suyab, now an archeological site in present-day Kyrgyzstan, and perhaps also in Tiaozhi (simplified Chinese: 条枝; traditional Chinese: 條枝; pinyin: Tiáozhī), a state centered near modern Ghazni, Afghanistan. These areas were on the ancient Silk Road, and the Li family were likely merchants. Their business was quite prosperous.

Veritas said...

At that time, it was unlikely that Chinese women travel that far to Central Asia. Li Bai 李白 father could be a merchant or even fortune soldier, who made it in central asia.

Then he fuck fuck fuck local persian (the ancester of today Sunni central asian).. Fuck fuck fuck and Li Bai was born.

It is amazing that our GREATEST poet have "pre-Islamo" blood in him.

haha.

JayF said...

@Chua more lies again?

Han and Ming Invasions of Vietnam.

Sui Invasion of Korea.

Song Invasion of Liao.

Qin invasion of Bashu.

Tang invasion into Central Asia.

Only thing was China never developing mercantalism never saw a need for a merchant marine and a navy.

Zheng He certainly did not recognise or respect other nations. Of course not.

ALL were subordinate to the Son of Heaven. Chinese historians regard recognising other rulers as equals to be humuliating.

Also. So much racism on this site. So are you a racist or you just like them?

Anonymous said...

// Then he fuck fuck fuck local persian (the ancester of today Sunni central asian).. Fuck fuck fuck and Li Bai was born. //
October 07, 2016 5:30 pm

Then he fuck fuck the local Singaporean ... Fuck fuck fuck and the Singaporean-70% was born.
So who fuck fuck and give birth to the local Singaporean slave?

Veritas said...

How many times and extent did China invade her neighbhors over 2000 years vs Caliphate and Rome, over their short life time.

And Korean was China province and before Tang, war of Korean is something like Civil war. How about Tang? Tang are mix Manchu/Mongol/Turk and Tang emperor speak Turkic. They view such war as civil war as well.

Just like Qing emptire whose elites are manchu. They view fight the Oirats Mongol as something like Civil war.

Veritas said...

China proper is so big and she was almost frozen for 2000 years.

Go compare caliphate. around 30 years after Mohamad, she spread from Spanish Cordova to Korazan (Afghanistan).

How about Roman? 200 years from a small hill top city to making meditteranean a inland lake.

Anonymous said...

You like men from other tribes fucking women from your tribe. You are a cuck, go kill yourself.

Male and China chauvinism you are , the woman make their own choice on their own accordance. So what's the issue. As long as they responsible for themselves and feel happy.

Why not you go f your favorite China woman, e.g. PRC Singer 龚琳娜 Husband also Ang Mo - Robert Zollitsch ( Germany ).

Might as well you become Muslims.











Veritas said...

Hindu are fuck up for genociding for intercaste romance.

I only love people. I use Li Bai, Chinese greatest poet to show that pre Islamo gene mate with Chinese, we can have very intelligent people. Today Islam gene is not capable of that.

JayF said...

@Veritas?

Which China? Which Rome? The Eastern or Western Empire? Specify.

Nope. Korea was a vassal state but at no point were they considered Chinese. Also Korea has been a separate kingdom since the end of the Han. The Sui invaded Goreyo and LOST.

No. The Tang documents clearly state they were there to subdue foreign tribes. It was a war of conquest. None of those nations were part of the Tang.

Ah yes. The non Chinese Manchu.

Veritas said...

China as a unity state from Qin Dynasty.

Roman Republic since punic war.

Veritas said...

The earliest written record on Gojoseon, the most advanced polity on the Korean peninsula based in Pyongyang has been found in Shang-Shu-Da-Zhuan. It recorded the founding history of Gija Joseon which, according to local legend, was established by Chinese Shang dynasty descendants in the 12th century BCE. Chinese political culture was influential in Gojoseon; for example, the term Wang (Hangul: 왕; hanja: 王) was shared between China and Korea to describe their respective "King"s.

In 194 BCE, Wiman, a former Yan Chinese general, took over the throne of Gojoseon after disposing of its former ruler, and relationships between Han China and Gojoseon deteriorated. The Gojoseon–Han War occurred in 109 BC, resulting in the defeat of Gojoseon and the establishment of the Four Commanderies of Han to govern China's Korean provinces, the largest one - the Lelang Commandery - lasting 400 years

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The status of Korea was somewhat like warring state of China. Morover, the entire elite class are Chinese, native are Chosun. Naturally it is naturally Korea get absorb into China proper.

In fact, statlets like Fujian and Canton then is even less Han than Korea.

It was a Chinese province for 400 years, firmly in China. The next 200 years, she was in China on and off. Finally after Tang dynasty she got her independence.





JayF said...

@Veritas.

What a pack of lies. The end of the Jin Dynasty saw China devolve into 10 kingdoms and 5 dynasties.

There was no unified Chinese state during that period.

The Korean Penninsula was already effectively a sovereign kingdom by then. You are claiming cultural similarity equates political unity. It does not.

China post Qin spends centuries with several contending peer powers. That China exists as a singular polity since the Qin is a myth. The concept of nation statehood did not exist in Chinese political thought till the late Qing anyway

Veritas said...

The point is when a united China breakup, so long it did not get united back, "neo Chinese" will be form.

And the breakup of China after Jin saw minorities like Xianbei, Tibetan, Mongols, Turks controlling China. They could easily evolve into different people.

These Northern nomads did control Korea one time or another.

Korean did not become Chinese because the unity China state Sui and Tang no longer interested in waging war to bring her back.

There is no such thing as India or Indians until British come and fuck their ass.

In China, there records of appointment of imperial officers, tax collection.

Veritas said...

Chinese as a nation state lasted around 2200 years. The most important such feature is tax collection, appointment of governors, and very importantly the ability to mobilized soldiers from the southern most Guangzhou province to fight in Manchuria.

And ancient China even able to mobilized korean to fight in Xinjiang.

Anonymous said...


Jayf, dont repeat those mistake too on history of Korea as sovereign entity.

You are also claiming cultural similarity equates political unity.

it is also a myth that Joseon, Goryeo and Three kingdoms of Korean are actually same entity.




JayF said...

To say the Xianbei et al were minority is to ignore a fact. At the time of their invasion they were FOREIGN. Most of them remained so till the foreign Manchus conquered them. But thanks to the Russians Mongolia is a free country today.

The Sui certainly wanted to subjugate Korea. But they lost so bad the Sui collasped.

And again you ignore the large swathes of history of these 2.2 k years where they were under foreign domination or were several independent kingdoms.

When much of these records were by bureaucrats serving different sovereigns, they are not part of the same Chinese state.

@Anon.

You know what they are not also?

Chinese. Veritas proves he spouts propoganda contrary to actual written Chinese history

Veritas said...
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Veritas said...

For 2200 years history, most of the time China is united. Give me any other states like China? India? Rome? For such a long history and such a big empire, some punctuation of fragmentation is extremely normal.

Chinese minorities empire are foreign but that does not mean China have no central government. Or maybe you can interpret fragmentation of Vietnam and Korea from China to show there is no central government.

You think Normandy or Elizabeth I Britain have as good central control as China?

All Chinese strong dynasty went into Korea. By Sui time, she has slowly out of the priority as a target for unification, though she is being seen somewhat as China.

The war of unification by Sui by Wendi include Vietnam but not Korea.

Veritas said...

By the way, Norman are French/Scandinavian from Normandy, Stuart are Scots, William III of England is Dutch invader of Britain, George I are Germany, is Britain a state or not?

JayF said...

Yes. The United Kingdom in her current form since the Acts of Union with Scotland fits a modern state definition.

Need I remind you those were non Chinese dynasties that ruled China. The Yuan for example claimed parts of a far larger Mongol Empire.

During the Yuan, the Chinese state did not exist. There was the Mongol Yuan and the Jurchen descended Manchu Qing. But no native Chinese state.

Veritas said...

LOL. There are 5 Khanate, Yuan was under Kubilai. There are central government. Qing are Manchus. These are Chinese minorities and there are central government, bureaucrats.

There are imperial exams.

Is there no states?

Go look at wiki.

JayF said...

Well no.

The Mongols did not come from China proper. Kublai Khan and the Yuan ruling class maintained their cultural identity as Mongols until they were driven out. The Manchu at the time of the Qing Conquest of China were explicitly foreign-not Chinese.

The term Chinese minority didn't even enter the Chinese lexicon until they borrowed the concept of minority nations from the Soviet Union and borrowed nationalism from Meiji Japan.

You are applying late modernist terms and thought to an early modern period polity like the Qing and Ming empires. Why not consult the Ming archives how they regarded the Jurchens and the Mongols?

Oh right- foreign barbarian tribes- aka NOT Chinese.

The Chinese cultural identity and sense of nationhood evolved and changed under both native Han culture and under latter foreign domination of the Manchus. But the Chinese STATE however had collapsed. Mulriple times, on several occasions.

The Manchu centric Qing certainly wasn't the same as their successor State the ROC, nor is the MArxist- Leninist PRC the same as the ROC.

The Chinese imperial exam in any case differed greatly under each dynasty. Under the Mongol Yuan it differed depending on the Emperor, with several more purist monarchs outright abolishing it.

In short, learn to history.

Veritas said...

Say what you want to say. We still have central government. Europe is still fuedalist.

Then Normans, Stuart, Orange? No England?

Anonymous said...

Why not consult the Ming archives how they regarded the Jurchens and the Mongols?
Oh right- foreign barbarian tribes- aka NOT Chinese.
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Jay F, you are lying again.

There are no such term "foreign barbarian tribes" exist in Ming archives .
There are no such statement that Jurchen and Mongols are not Chinese in Ming archives

Anonymous said...

jay F,
You try to equate the term " barbarian" to modern meaning of nationality/ ethnicity.

The barbarian are refer to their culture and way of living ( nomadic life)

Anonymous said...

If Mongol are chinese or a part of chinese then the argument china never invade other countries does not stand.
The amount of people the mongol killed during their conquest already in guinness world record. The atrocities Japan committed pales in comparison

Veritas said...

We got central government. PERIOD.

JayF said...

Nope. Chinese terms Hu and Yi are a generic and degrading term which referred to anyone not Chinese. The Chinese used the term Hong Yi on the Portugese and English as well.

@😁 Veritas.

Not during the Tang post An Lushan. Or during the collapse of the Sui and Yuan. Nor during the Qing Conquest. Or the Warlord period.

The current United Kingdom exists after union with Scotland. England has had Parlimentary Sovereignity since the end of the English civil war. Who reigns is not as important as who controls Parli.

In short Veritas. Your statement of a unified Chinese state 2k years old is false. Much of those years there was no unified Chinese state under a singular Son of Heaven.

And they were just as warlike as the other great powers. Only thing was most of it were against other Chinese states.

Veritas said...

We got a central government.

JayF said...

Who is this we?

You claiming you are Chinese you filthy Nanman spawn?

Veritas said...

Cleaner than Indian scion of devedasi,

Anonymous said...

The Chinese used the term Hong Yi on the Portugese and English as well.

Chinese terms Hu and Yi are a generic and degrading term which referred to anyone not Chinese
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Because those European are barbarian -a savage.

Did Chinese call Indian people? Hu? Yi?

JayF said...

! Anon

So barbaric that the Chinese ultimately adopted their system of government, science and medicine.

Anonymous said...

Jafy,

Barbarian does not equate to the notion - "less advanced in science, medicine, governance"

These European barbarian adopt Greek tradition.(non Western)

JayF said...

Anon.

So if the West is more advanced in science medicine and government who is the barbarian now?

Hint. It is the one that was left in the dust. Starts with C ends with A.

Greeks? The culture that was absorbed into the Roman upper class society which in turn was the grandaddy of all Western nations?

Are you able to understand what you typed? Since when did anyone say Greeks were not Western?

JayF said...

Still a dirty Nanman barbarian. Aka not Chinese.

Anonymous said...

Jayf, you repeat mistake again

Barbarian does not equate to the notion - "less advanced in science, medicine, governance"

Roman are barbarian.

Anonymous said...

The current United Kingdom exists after union with Scotland. England has had Parlimentary Sovereignity since the end of the English civil war. Who reigns is not as important as who controls Parli.
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How about Northern Ireland? Wales?
How about voting right of ordinary people and general election?



Veritas said...

UK dont even have fucking civil service until 18th century. China have bureaucrats since 2200 years ago.

I dont want to argue with Moron JayF.

Veritas said...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Her_Majesty%27s_Civil_Service

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In 1806, the Honourable East India Company established a college, the East India Company College, near London. The purpose of this college was to train administrators; it was established on recommendation of officials in China who had seen the imperial examination system. The civil service, based on examination similar to the Chinese system, was advocated by a number of Englishmen over the next several decade
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UK admit their most advance form of government system -- the civil service is copycat from China.

He is a keling liar, very very common among keling. Lie lie lie lie lie non stop.

JayF said...

Lol.

It is good to know that Veritas despite his Nanman heritage realised that the UK Civil Service learned from the Chinese yet avoided the awful abuse of power, nepotism and all round corruption that plagued them. Not to mention outlasting the imperial state.

If the Chinese only had the ICAC like HK did to clean up their act.

At Anon.

So the PRC is now a barbarian state? You anti Chinese racist!

Veritas. Someone is insulting your Han masters. Be a good Nanman pet and fight them.

Anonymous said...

Jafy,

why cant India have ICAC like HK to clean up their act?
Why cant British have ICAC like HK to clean up their act?
Why cant US have ICAC like HK to clean up their act?

By the way, ICAC did not successfully get rid of corruption in HK. Corruption in those " democratic nation" is much worse than China.

And Genghis Khan , Temujin is actually a Han Chinese - exiled to Mongol grassland.
He think quite differently from other mongol tribe.

JayF said...

Because an Indian ICAC will be staffed by Indians.

Because they have the London Met who keeps the UK as a low corruption risk country.

Because they have the FBI and RICO act.

You got a source for that😀? Because China recent anti corruption drive was so hard hitting their domestic consumption dropped.

I repeat. Chinese corruption was so endemic their economy took a hit when it was affected.

You got a source for that? Because all Mongol and Chinese primary sources listed his genalogy as a son of a tribal chief murdered by a rival.

Or are you talking out of your ass like most of the others here?

Veritas said...

Indian corruption worst in world. Thats how china win india lost. Goi cannot build toilet

Anonymous said...

India where got corruption? USA, Japan and Europe where got corruption?

If got corruption the western media would be writing about them everyday.

Tiok boh?

Lycurgus80ofsparta said...

lol, this is a rather interesting discussion. But i think you gents have larely strayed from the original argument about Chinese expansion.

JayF said...

@Lycurgus

Not so much strayed as it is Veritas getting all salty from his tears when I blew out his claims of muh Chinese superiority and peace loving hippie nature. You know, his claims that China was so united despite spending centuries of her history post Qin being divided among several Chinese descended states.

That the concept of nationhood is a Western idea that the Chinese imported from a Westernised Japan and Europe after they saw their worldview crumble in the face of Western science and thought appears incomprehensible to Veritas and several Anon.

You know, like the one who's somehow saying that science, government and law somehow isn't what defines a society.

Have May 4th movement? For someone who is so fond of China, they appear appallingly ignorant of actual Chinese history.

Chinese claims of them being peaceful during their long history is as mythical as Emperor Jinmu of Japan. China is plenty warlike throughout her history. That they have minorities in the double digits, with so many differing cultures is proof of Chinese military prowess and aggression.

China in the SCS is engaging in outright revanchanism. The problem of course the last time a rising aggressive power engaged in these, we got the World Wars at worst, the Prussian-Franco Wars at best.

Veritas said...

No nation prior to import western idea? No such thing as caliphate, safavid, mughal?

Veritas said...

Btw china hack care nation state western idea.

JayF said...

Of course. We are talking the Chinese POV yes?

普天之下,莫非王土

This sums up the worldview of the Chinese dynasties until the West convinced them otherwise.

Everything belongs to the Emperor who was sovereign over everything. All foreign tribes, who are barely nations, only vassals to be cowed or rebel bandits to be subdued are not nations.

The idea of a country, where the people paid a part was laughable. The Empire was the Emperor's land. The Son of Heaven was sovereign. The idea of a people having ownership, popular sovereignity was alien to them. Certainly, some Chinese thinkers had thought of them during the pre-imperial times of the Hundred Schools, but the imperial system certainly didn't believe them.

China heck care the Western nation state idea?

So why is there a PRC and ROC Constitution? Why does the PRC exalt socialism and Maoist, Leninist, Marxist thought in their PRC Constitution. Why are political parties a thing?

The China you dream about. Racially pure, culturally superior didn't exist. Great Chinese minds like Lu Xun was lambasting people like you, mocking people like you in Ah Q.

Hopeless fools who cling to the idea of a Great Chinese superiority which never existed.

Veritas said...

You talk about nation state?

Veritas said...

Or you talk about no states before western nation state existed?

JayF said...

I talk of the concept of nationalism. Something alien to the Chinese where power rested in the lineage seated on the throne.

Veritas said...

You understand the meaning of nation states?

JayF said...

More than you. Do you understand the language your are typing?

Anonymous said...

Everything belongs to the Emperor ho was sovereign over everything. All foreign tribes, who are barely nations, only vassals to be cowed or rebel bandits to be subdued are not nations.
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jafy,

It is typical European viewpoint of the outside world.


Constitutional monarchy in UK did not abolish the idea that Everything belongs to the Emperor ( the Queen)

British MP and Soldier continue to swear their loyalty to the Queen.
Prosecutor are acting for the Crown. ( Monarchy)

Parliament exercise the power on behalf of Crown. (Queen)


According to Western historian, Ming dynasty is a modern nation statehood.




Anonymous said...

India only exist as modern nation statehood after British Raj.

The term " India" or Indian originated from European.

Those Kingdom does not refer themselves as India or Indian.

Moghul is not Indian too. They are Mongol.

Veritas said...
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JayF said...

Not after the English Civil War and Post Glorious Revolution it was not.

Just ask the beheaded English King if you disagree.

And a Song and Ming subject will likewise refer to himself as a subject of such than use the term Zhongguo ren.

What was the point you were raising? We were discussing China.

JayF said...

Yes you are Veritas.

Anonymous said...

What is the point? Reading without understanding, knowledge without intellect, what a waste of time.