Before Utopia

The communist ideology talks about an utopia in the horizon waiting for the workers. All workers will be paid almost equally in that place where the fruits of labour will be equally shared by everyone, from the top to the bottom. But such an utopia will never happen given the fact that human beans are flawed and will never overcome the seduction of power and greed. What would happen before utopia was not explained in the communist bible. It just assumed that utopia will be next. We have seen how China and Russia and other communist states are progressing. What Marx could not imagine is that before utopia, the greed and power crazy communist leaders would have usurped power and wealth for their own benefits, and more shocking is that they will take to the path of capitalism. The worker leaders will still boast of their humble working class background, to give the impression that they were workers too, before. What they did not say is that they are now rich beyond the workers imagination. They have actually turned themselves into rich capitalists and landlords, the very people that the workers chopped their heads off during the revolution. Before utopia is capitalism where the capitalists and landlords will amass wealth and fortune as in a capitalist system. Income gap will continue to widen to a point of no return. And this will set the stage for another communist uprising and head chopping. And the cycle will go on and on. Utopia is only an ideal state that is never achieveable given the nature of humankind. Communism will lead to capitalism and capitalism to communism. It is a vicious cycle.


Wally Buffet said...

Karl Marx's ideal was good but unfortunately, humans are absolutely flawed so communism was a dead duck from the word go.

Humans can only understand greed, power and ego trips. So capitalism is a natural. The Americans understood this and so their excuse for putting down communism is "freedom", "democracy" and assorted semantic hogwash.

When the human race is detoxed of greed, power and ego, then perhaps the communist idealogy isn't really that bad. For one, you won't have HDB, Medisave, CPF, ERP, and all other manifestations of greed.


Chua Chin Leng aka redbean said...

Napoleon was having a good time conning the horses and the sheep.

Wally Buffet said...


He did it so well that the horses and sheep also started learning how to con.

Between a David Copperfield and a Stephen Hawking, I think the former is smarter.

Matilah_Singapura said...

redbean commits a host of logical fallacies in his post – mostly based on the misunderstanding of human action – which is ALL value-seeking and thus goal oriented. The resulting (collective) structure is inter-temporal and is based on individual wants, needs and desires related to the availability of (scarce) resources the most obvious being TIME (everyone dies).
He also forgets: Markets are demand driven. Wealth is productivity (or creation of supply) driven. There is no one who can possibly have “superior” knowledge to “plan” markets or economies – because the nature of markets, economies are systems of spontaneous orders.

Anonymous said...

So long as humans exist, no system will satisfy all.

The only choice is to have as little(less) flaws as possible. And again it has to depend on humans with consciences and doing away with their greeds.

Is it possible???

Chua Chin Leng aka redbean said...

Matilah, there is no free market like there is no utopia. Free market forces are often fraud. Fictitious demand and supply, engineered or fixed demand and supply are all before our eyes.

Intervention is necessary, provided they are done by a govt or individual with a conscience and high moral standards. Of course you can argue that this is also impossible.

Matilah_Singapura said...

Using the “greed” argument weaken any process of debate. All humans are greedy for different reasons. You can’t “police” human nature.
All systems are in a process of development themselves. They change – for better or for worse.


Markets work whether you believe them to or not. Why? Because for one axiomatic reason: Humans ACT. When prohibition is introduced, the human action – and therefore the “market” goes underground and becomes a bigger problem.

Chua Chin Leng aka redbean said...

Market works for the better or the worst depending on the inputs. Some are genuine inputs and many are fakes or distorted and adulterated inputs.

Matilah_Singapura said...

Really, and your proof?