Seah Kian Peng’s criticism of Thum Ping Tjin for inviting Mahathir to
bring democracy to Singapore and the remark ‘it appears quite clear to
me that PJ Thum does not wish Singapore well’ is like lighting a small
fire that threatens to burn down a forest. This comment is read by Thum
as calling him a traitor is ‘ridiculous and unfounded’. No decent person
would be comfortable to be on the receiving end of being called a
traitor to his country.
The accusation has fired up two opposing camps, with those supporting
the group that met Mahathir calling it baseless and a more dangerous
development for the group that supported or believed in Seah Kian Peng’s
finger pointing. The result as reported in thenewpaper is “‘a torrent
of accusations of treason’ and death threats against the group”.
Hopefully this is just wild reactions from the hotheaded and nothing
more and nothing untowards happened to the threatened group of people.
Seah Kian Peng might have noticed the ginny out of the bottle and is
calling for some calm and decorum and ‘not get personal or abusive’
about the matter. It is just a matter of ‘different viewpoints and we
can agree or disagree and be civil about it’. It is good that Seah Kian
Peng saw the severity of the accusation and reactions from the ground
and wanted to lower the temperature. And since it is just a matter of
viewpoints, hopefully there will be no follow up threats of calling Sue
or police investigation on the group and Thum in particular. He added,
“It is regretful that I see all kinds of abusive remarks that are made
by many different individuals (and trolls) against each other. I do not
support such types of comments, regardless of what views of positions
they take.”
The master has spoken. Would the trolls or doggies stop barking and stop
biting? It must be quite frightening to Thum and his group to be
branded traitors in the media and by a MP of the ruling party. OK, Seah
Kian Peng did not use the word traitor on them, but it is how they felt
and perceived and how the trolls and public read and reacted to it.
I hope the general public would be mature enough to see the nuances and
the real stuff and not be misled by any silly comments. Can I say let’s
move on? Or would there be more sinister things brooding?
PS. Napoleon has unleashed his attack dogs to bite.
46 comments:
Loong got only 30 mins from Mat.
Historian & friends got more than 30 mins.
Jealous?
Meet Mat & talk is wrong? Then Loong talked to Mat, Commie Kim, Boaster Trump not wrong?
Bloody petty. Our ruling guys got no hope leh; so many self-inflicted problems on Singaporeans don't solve got so much time to play around with fake & truth, fake & truth, fake & truth...when its all mixed up, self-serving propaganda, all about more money & power, more taking cover.
Knn, anon 8.47am u r damn right!
Evil doers must meet their karma one day.
Not if but when!!
Those Daft PAP stooges are so brainwashed by them that they kena screwed by them till organism still wants more than them.
Who are the actual Traitors who sold the country to the Scroundals who caused Riots in Little India. Abundance molestation csses. Vices throughtout the Island??
Stupid dafts calling others Traitors.
The Awakening Day when they themselves are been expose to have SOLD the Nation when the Singapore Harapan become the Government, these dafts would be awaken too late.
This Hypocrite after stoking the Fire fried to be civil and tried to be GoD when he is in the Role of the Devil in the first place.
Still 70% Dafts Stupidty No Cure Electocuted Sinkies swallowing bait, hooks and Sinkers.
Too bad, they gonna sink soon with Sinkie Land.
All the corrupt leaders in the infallible UMNO are now facing corruption charges, passport confiscated, ill gotten wealth exposed, all multi millionaires and billionaires that MPs and even ministers salaries cannot account for.
MP Seah Kian Peng's motives are sinister. As a practically unheard of MP, he suddenly appeared from nowhere to hurl baseless accusation at Dr Thum for not wishing Singapore well. He has been hoarding the limelight ever since. He appears to be an opportunist trying to curry favour with his master. Not a single PAP bigwig has commented on Dr Thum meeting up with Dr M. The only exception was the black cobra which once spent 6 hours trying to swallow Dr Thum. MP Seah's inciting hatred against a fellow Singaporean is the same tactic used against Dr Chee in the past. He debased himself by stooping so low.
Virgo49 9.18am
// This Hypocrite after stoking the Fire ...//
Bor lan pa chee mah ...?
Same same the head ...?
Little India Riot need saved by some ah neh open the door for them from behind and flee away covered in white coats?
Video even showed uniformed security officers or police fleeing behind the ambulance civil defence officers ...
https://youtu.be/Anq7jC6_-k0
https://youtu.be/kAGdg4ewwZY
https://youtu.be/rGWZCoQxuck
Many tried to intimidate sinkies but when faced with real adversaries worst than the taohu strawberry generation?
Seah suay eh.. he should try n get an audience with mahatir..can get through front door or not..time to open mouth he keep quiet quiet.. time to keep quiet he barks. Calling someone a traitor is civil? No wonder parliamentary sessions also quiet.. so what is more treacherous..withholding citizens cpf until they kick the bucket or meet up with a foreign leader..
Titiana Ann XavierSeptember 05, 2018 9:32 am
//The only exception was the black cobra ...//
Supposedly Kan Bor Yong also ..... leh ...? JLB shorties nowadays are not only "useless", they are super "hum chee" ...?
What is "Kan Bor Yong" and "hum chee" means?
@ patriotic traitors & the Singapore culture of "truth by stereotyping":
This recent cluster-fuckis proof-positive that Singaporeans have chosen a govt which is EXACTLY like them; adding weight to my ongoing hypothesis that A nation's politics and therefore government is derived from the CULTURE of its Sheeple.
Singaporeans just love getting to "the truth" by a heuristic process we fondly know as stereotyping. To use stereotypes to explain something is VERY EFFICIENT because it saves time and the unnecessary expense of logic, evidence and reason to get the "right answer".
For e.g.: if something is awry,it is automatically the fault of the authoritarian government. From the govt's point: CPF cannot be given to the people because they are financially undisciplined and will spend it all, leaving The State to introduce welfare.
Another famous stereotype: You must pay fat salaries or you won't get the "right people" in govt.
A nice one from our history:
"We are 'surrounded' by crazy Islamic cuntries who are going to invade us. Therefore we must have NS.
How about this little gem from around the same time:
"Long-haired louts are bad people. They are potential drug addicts and criminals".
And this one:
"We, the govt, should do whatever it takes to DISCOURAGE those 'selfish Singaporeans' from having more than 2 kids"
How about:
"Can't trust a Singaporean Malay fella with weapons. He's a potential traitor".
And from the same mouth (LKY): "Johor is fullof murderers and thugs".
And it goes on and on...
Yes, Singapore, you have chosen well. Your govt is made up of people EXACTLY LIKE YOURSELVES.
The May-Lay Dilemma
OK, time for me to counter the attempt of a few "patriotic traitors" who some how believe that Dr M's has "superhero powers" to magically "bring democracy to Singapore". As I've said before, people are free to do things which are unexamined and have no legs in reality. It's your life to waste.
Dr M's political actions are mostly consistent. He's trying to get the May-Lays to discard their welfare-handout mentality, whilst keeping a check on the Chinese dominance in the economy. Examine these closer, and you will see that it is illogically HILARIOUS🤣😂.
1. To the May-Lay: "Work harder become successful, don't expect handouts".
2. To the Chinese: "Don't work so hard, don't become too successful! don't expect anything from us except criticism"
So in seemingly "more democratic" Malaysia, the May-Lay is still behind, whilst in less democratic Singapore the Malays are solid citizens, productive, educated and have the same chances as anyone at achievement.
Maybe Dr M should concentrate on solving the May-Lay Dilemma, which he is.
Maybe Singapore is better off by having their politics and government is rock-solid LOCK STEP with the culture of its citizens.
If you use data and correlation (which may or may not imply causation) instead of "stereotypes" to get some idea of what is actually going on, maybe Dr M could use some of our ideas, which appear to be working.
This episode must have been orchestrated by a mastermind from behind. Sia-suoy Kian-png is not alone. He has been used as a minion stooge. I guess he acted under someone's instructions.
I believe that Dr Thum is as concern for Singapore and Singaporeans as any of the Ministers and MPs, or even more. Many MPs don't even turn up when Parliament is in sessions. What are they elected for? Their primary responsibility also cannot shoulder.
Dr Thum can sacrifice his time to go and talk with Dr Mahathir for the sake of bring democracy to Singapore and for a better Singapore, even though he is not an elected MP. This action puts all MPs to shame, for doing nothing but only know how to carry balls and collect money.
POLITICAL JOKE
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Next time.
If Singaporeans want to meet with a foreign leader.
Please get a letter of permission from your General or Millionaire-Minister first.
Thum should know better.
He never stay in an army camp during National Service meh?
Do you think Singapore is just like an army camp?
If you are a Singaporean citizen.
And if the Generals are in charge ... shouldn't you get permission from the General first?
Is there any difference between living in Singapore and living in an army camp?
Yeh, they are trying to destroy Thum like they destroyed Chee. Those assholes that helped to destroy Chee must be cursing themselves for being used to do such dastardly and shameful thing on another fellow Singaporean. Some of them are so ashamed of their shameful acts that they dared not talk about it again. Don't no where to hide their face.
Some would be doing the shame today to destroy Thum and regret their foolishness and shamelessness later. What is there left in a person if he is prepared to stoop so low to destroy another fellow Singaporean for political reasons and to gain brownie points? Sia suay.
This Quah Cha or Mati guy goes again. Spouting nonsense perpetually like clockwork sun rise from east set in west. Worst than the sia lan gian peng or sia gian peng.
After the SKP comments, Dr M has the last laugh, and Dr M would say in his mind: "See la, this is the behaviour of the new 3 or 4 G leeders they hv in SGP"
@ 9.50am,
Hum means the small shell fish ...
Chee means seed
Hum chee means SHAMboLEE who flees when he meets a real opponent like those in Little India Riot ... Fleeing tails between their legs in white coats ... But when innocent and helpless sinkies they bully and tekan like they are mike tyson ... You go hill street there can see them a lot streaming out when they have some "meeting" there once a while ... Quite pathetic actually ...
The 4G and 5G idiots are no match for this season battle hardened old wily Fox.
He can fiddle them with his thumps.Loved to see how he toyed with them.
Now Teo has to make a trip to tolong with him not to play monkey with my wet behind the ears bak seow boh kuau boys.
Another Chap Cheng Bahari joined the Clowns criticising Tham.
The Old farks are just too frightened tgat Dr. M might influence the Bumis in Sinkieland to switch side to TCB and Company.
Even that pitsbull Shame is measured in his comments on this episode. He only knows how to slam those he can billy.
If death threats were made, how come they never make police reports to facilitate criminal investigation?
Knn. PAP guys are trying to act as God! All human matters is varying degree of truth n lie. Dont cross into the Maker territory. Too arrogant for its own good. What truth n fake Committee. Um chye see.
In Hokkien, Kan means "xxxx" aka shaft the tinkie into an "oyster" between those subservient "xxx" slaves and repeatedly pull in and out ...
Bor Yong means "useless", "shorties" ...
"Xxxx" also cmi means Kan Bor Yong
Like when ShamboLEE second a junior legal director to another agency and this motherfarker asshole useless legal director can run riot there and the shortie also LL (lan lan) aka Kan Bor Yong ...
In other words, Kan Bor Yong means useless and can be pushed around even by a junior legal director sent by SHAMboLEE to his agency ...
Kan Bor Yong means pathetically useless and fat shorties ...
Kan Bor Yong means cannot get any respect from others cos even a junior legal director also can sia lan around there, take lunch for hours and noboLEE especially those Kan Bor Yong type dare "touch" him cos he is "SHAMboLEE's" people ...
So Kan Bor Yong people think they very smart good at surface and superficial politics but actually behind them the subordinates despise and look down on them in their hearts ...
Mo Lan Yong same same Kan Bor Yong lor ...
The above is a hypothetical example and can be in any situation but scenario same same lah ...
Means SHAMboLEE can show who is the real boss by climbing on those of his head to shit using his junior "henchman" and even ordered Kan Bor Yong here and there to meet this ShamboLEE's kar kia and this Kan Bor Yong obliged so you think useless pathetic or not if SHAMboLEE like that ...
Kan Bor Yong aka chinese term lah "实在没有用" ... Softie, useless ...
Even other ministry's junior staff like a seconded junior director can yaya suka suka and climb on his head to shit ...?
Hum chee is like scary cat .. Kan Bor Yong is like useless cat ... Scary cat see mouse not scared but see dog scared. Kan Bor Yong type see mouse also pee in his pants and flee ...?
POLITICAL JOKE
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We the citizens of Singapore demand that our Millionaire-Generals declare martial law.
Singapore's national security has been undermined by an 80 minute conversation between unauthorized Singaporeans and a 92 year old politician from a bankrupt third world country.
Our multi-billion dollar army and Millionaire Generals are no match for a 92 year old man.
We are in imminent danger of collapse.
We must react accordingly.
Do you think the above is ridiculous?
Kee chiu please?
@ 11.04am and 11.26am
You guys took the trouble to explain it to me. That was really nice of you. I'm sorry because I'm not a Chinese. Now I understand what those means. Thanks so much, guys.
POLITICAL JOKE
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Do you think Singapore is in danger?
Is it time for the Founding Singapore Zombie to rise up from the dead to save Singapore?
Is it time to release the Kraken?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb2zIR2rvRQ&gl=SG&hl=en-GB
11.52am // I'm sorry because I'm not a Chinese//
Quah Cha Mati, u what race?
Three activists have urged Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong to look into the "highly irresponsible" conduct of MP Seah Kian Peng and Home Affairs and Law Minister K. Shanmugam, who had criticised the three over their recent meeting with Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad.
Historian Thum Ping Tjin, journalist Kirsten Han and activist Jolovan Wham made the call in a letter addressed to PM Lee, who is secretary-general of the ruling People's Action Party (PAP). A largely similar letter was also addressed to Mr Charles Chong, who is chairman of the Select Committee on Deliberate Online Falsehoods.
"Pingtjin Thum, Jolovan Wham and I have sent letters of complaint to both Charles Chong, chairman of the Select Committee on Deliberate Online Falsehoods, and Lee Hsien Loong, Secretary-General of the People's Action Party, about Seah Kian Peng's allegations, which are unbecoming of a PAP MP and a member of the Select Committee," Ms Han posted on Facebook on Wednesday (Sept 5). She also released to the media copies of the letters they had sent.
RB, Knn Everyday bad news very stress lor😰
With JS paper ahguamen, what else to expect
PAP is on the slippery slop to no return. The time for PAP is up. Too much heavy karma.
1. Killing of millions of unborn babies through the "Two Is Enough" genocidal scheme.
2. Collaborating with the Japanese to subvert Singapore. Some of them even have Japanese wives.
3. Collaborating with the Americans to undermine the independence of Singapore by making Singapore as .US military base.
4. Collaborating with India through CECA to wreck havoc to the rice bowls and livelihood of Singaporeans.
5. Selling off Singapore's strategic assets to foreign powers in order to inflate the balance sheet of Temasek Holdings and cover up its losses.
6. Transferred national public assets to Temasek Holdings' private possession and control in order to short-change the public.
7. Inflating cheap low-grade HDB flats to sky-high prices in order to deplete Singaporeans' CPF savings and thereby deprive them of their ability to retire comfortably.
8. Continuously scheming to siphon off the CPF savings of Singaporeans and make them have to work until they drop dead.
9. Refusing to fix a minimum wage but allowing the Ministers and top civil servants to become instant Multi-Millionaires with ease.
10. Abuse of organs of State in order to stay in power.
11. Too many oldies have been driven to suicide due to the elite uncaring face (and heart).
12. Etc.
wow 2:06 you pin it.
2.06pm anon kpkb also no use las as Long as majority does not mind😰
Majority's karma is also ripening
When their sufferings reached an unbearable stage
And their minds go berserk,
Then you will know whether they mind or not mind,
It is not IF
But WHEN!
Mahathir is & had been tough on Spore. The reality he is PM, and we have to work well with him.
But why make the relationship more difficult with the mainstream media & our leaders sprouting and implied all kind of adverse view on him?
There are much more common areas of mutual interests.
Be humble, more give & take will go a long way to a healthy necessary lasting Malaysia-Singapore relationship.
Do we have wise & humble leaders in Spore?
Or too much power & money & always having their ways on the citizens have gotten too pride into their heads? Just like totally unwarranted joke to embarrass China before US Congress?
3.06 // Just like totally unwarranted joke to embarrass China before US Congress? //
About 2 to 3 years back was in Genting hotel lobby area.
There was a big group of Chinese tourists some probably living in peesai and visibly can hear them lambasting mai hum on several policies ...
Indeed the Chinese new citizens could be the black swan in future husting ...
As for the India Indian new citizens, anything can happen.
When time for them to turn their back and show their "true colours", this mai hum and co would be in for nasty surprise just like the 2013 Little India Riot where many police patrol cars were overturned and set on fire, even ambulance smashed and overturned and burnt to ashes and uniformed officers fleeing like scuttled and frigthened rats?
This mai hum could be the most unpopular sinkie in China, given the number of Chinese online posts that lambasted his leadership and poor judgement unlike old man?
And that could be an understatement?
http://www.asiaone.com/singapore/ex-hougang-mp-yaw-now-myanmar
This one is singapore one, hougang one or myanmar one? Who are you voting for? Anyone knows?
Sylvia Lim is full time mp or part time mp? Is her face big big in Peter Low website? Catholic? Ex police? Thou shall not bear false witness? Who cares?
Penang Minister in Singapore, send your parents go JB? Who care who is who in Singapore?
Found this old post (19 April 2014) by Lao Hero (aka Redbean) while browsing MSN:
///// 4/19/2014
Independence Day – A political interpretation
The objections to the Pinoys celebrating their Independence Day in a public area like Orchard Road have drawn out sympathetic responses from some Sinkies. Even the ST did not miss the negativity of the outcry and came out with an editorial calling for a curb on anti foreign rantings. Many Sinkies are still adamant that such a celebration should not be held in the streets of our city but in private or within the compound of an embassy.
An Independence Day is a political statement of a nation of people breaking free from the oppression of colonialism or an external power. Every country is proud of their Independence Day, and the Pinoys are no exception. Should we allow or support such a celebration in Orchard Road? We have many very open minded Sinkies who would not mind and may even ask what is the fuzz all about. And they would look at it unkindly to Sinkies who tried to make a big issue out of it and calling them narrow minded and old fashion backward patriots, out of touch with the reality of a new globalise world.
Are there any merits to those who objected to such a public celebration by a tribe of foreigners in the heart of our global city? Put it in another way, how would we view it if the Malaysians would to celebrate their Independence Day at the Padang and with speakers standing at the steps of City Hall shouting, ‘Merdeka, Merdeka!’ How would the Sinkies feel if the PRC Chinese or the India Indians would to do the same?
Or how would the Malaysians or our neighbouring countries feel if Sinkies would to celebrate our National Day in the heart of their cities and shouting ‘Merdeka, Merdeka?’ Politically speaking there is some sensitivity involved and some subtlety in the meaning of celebrating an Independence Day in a foreign country. Are they implying that they are now independence from us, the City that hosts them, that they could do anything they want here as free and independent residents? Of course they don’t mean it.
What is the political message? Today we allowed the Pinoys to celebrate their Independence Day openly, would we also allow the other tribes to celebrate their Independence Day here as well? Are we being too uptight? Or should we be the generous host, the global citizens, opened minded, sophisticated anything goes as long as it is fun, and let everyone have a good time, to celebrate their Independence Day in our streets?
What do you think?
PS. Yesterday my pageview hit a new record of more than 12,200 in a single day. But somehow it did not translate to more kopi. /////
Compare to those who supported the idea of Pinoy holding their Independence Day celebration in Orchard back in 2014 including Seah Kian Peng GRC teammate Tan Chuan Jin who labelled true blue Singaporeans who opposed the idea "bigots", to those who met Dr M recently, whose position is actually traitorous?
The real traitors are people who have the power to sell off the country and betray their own countrymen.
Even seven month over still
Cannot any how say things.
///// Virgo49 said...
Anon 9.38
Sinkieland also got One Mastermind in the DOWN Fall of Sinkieland's Reserves.
Billion or trillion S$$$$$$ questions.
June 27, 2018 5:21 am /////
Who?
Part 1:
///// Human beans civilisation has progressed tremendously since the Neolithic Revolution around 10,000 BC where there was wide spread change from hunting to agricultural lifestyle.
Despite such polar change, one constant remains: adaptation. The ability to adapt quickly to changing conditions and circumstances.
But to do that, human beans need to know what lies ahead, then formulate what steps to take in respond to the anticipated change and galvanise those around them to recognise the common interests and the same boat they are in.
Now, fast forward 12,000 years. From the vast continents on earth 120 centuries ago to global cities at this very moment of time. In this age of artificial intelligence, technological disruption, globalisation, megalomania, even disguised dictatorship and despotism under the cloak of democracy, what should the average human bean expect and how should they respond? The need to survive and live decently well is as true now as in the Neolithic era, the unchanging constant in a contantly changing human bean kingdom.
In the physical world, there are traumatic changes from time to time. Earthquakes, tsunamis ... ect etc. Under such ginormous stress, at times even the immovable mountains collapse. During each earthquake, huge cracks and fissures open up and some unwitting human beans fall inside and often perish.
In the modern economy, cracks and fissures can open up as well from time to time and some unfortunate human beans inadvertently and unwittingly get caught in such economic change. Globalisation and technological disruption often bring with it structural unemployment, widening social inequality, wild economic fluctuations and cycles.
The modern human beans need to be smart enough to protect themselves before "economic earthquakes or tsunamis" hit them from time to time. They need to understand what are happening and look ahead.
Unfortunately under current system, many human beans may have received an education that could have been adapted from dogs training centres?
Many youngsters may not even have read the news for the past days, weeks, months, years? /////
Part 2:
///// For example, to avoid being the unwitting and unfortunate one falling into the "cracks and fissures" under ginormous economic change, one should leverage on the FOC available data (for example leading macroeconomic indicators) provided by many goverments especially agencies such as central banks.
The problem with current system is that even many graduates do not read or know how to read or understand such data? Pathetic, isn't it? There could be some truth that some (education) systems are adpated from dogs training centres (and thus ill-suited for human beans)?
To mitigate the problems of more and more unwitting human beans falling in the cracks and fissures when ginormous economic change occurs, for a start an education system should be formulated more for human beans?
This is an opinionated view and obviously some may not agree.
However, how to solve the problems then?
Enact more punitive and draconian laws to further punish those poor unwitting human beans who had fallen into the cracks and fissures?
So as to achieve globally the highest per capita in terms of the number of draconian laws put in place to make sure citizens toe the line not unlike new recruits in a highly regimented military training camp?
The decision taken to solve current problems may likely be a determinant to
what and how a society turns out to be down the road and what the human beans in such a society would become? /////
Everyone eyeing on sg large reserve. Sg leaders better declare union with oz better than invaded by matland. Better be alert.
I have deleted UG's post 3:27pm. Too much emphasis on race. Not good.
This place is as good as a "civilian" military "country" camp lah? Look from the top to bottom? The PM is an ex-BG, the DPM is an ex-Admiral, then some MG, LG and BG etc ..... So what to do? Look at the MRT stations eveLEEday? Kekananpusing ... ! berarak ke hadapan cepat jalan!!! Policies wise, after a short while - keblaganpusing ..... Real wage increment - hentakkakihentak - marching on the spot ... Goodness!!!?
///// Virgo 49 said...
Sinkies have only a handful of human beans with eyes opened to the Real World whereas the Rest are like Ostriches with their heads in the sand and thinking that Ah! This is the World that we are living in.
See nothing, hear nothing and talk nothing.
When the Aborigine Headhunters and Canninbals came and kicked their arses or chopped their heads, they will still pretend that All us Well. /////
Do you notice something whenever lhl praise somebody they get into problem.trump;NAJIB;curry puff in ang mo kio;the former swimmer THUM now call un singapore.face the fact ag;judge ;lnl to manage hdb sell n buy.how many $$$$$$ make ????.understand cannot say and u backside burst.if u poor how to fight kangaroo court.All in one to PAP
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