It is so obvious that the problems facing the AHTC case need not arise
and must/would not be allowed to be repeated if the management of town
councils remains with a statutory board or ministry ran by civil
servants. The management of a town council, the complexity and
operational details involved, and the importance of such services
remaining in tact and continuou, demand that it must be run by a
permanent body of staff. It cannot be otherwise.
The AHTC case highlighted the problems and flaws and unnecessary
troublesome administrative handling over of funds, records, duties and
responsibilities that could not be efficiently transferred from one
management to another over a short spell of time. Such procedures and
processes, the involvement of funds and monetary matters, necessitate
very careful, arduous and detailed scrutiny and inspection before a
transfer can take place. And worse, under the politicized nature of the
system, when a different and often unfriendly party won an election and
having to take over the function and running of a town council, in a way
exposing the predecessor’s work to be scrutinized for wrongdoings, make
the transfer of responsibility a hostile takeover with both parties
placed in a very difficult and confrontational position. How could such a
belligerent and antagonistic system be to the interest of the residents
that expect a public service to continue to run efficiently, smoothly
and without disruption?
When a political party takes over the running of a state after winning a
general election, all the staff of ministries and stats boards remain
in tact, with all the systems and procedures, including software and
hardware, remain practically unchanged until such time when the new govt
is ready to make changes. The services of the respective ministries and
stats boards will not be affected in anyway or in any serious ways.
Assuming the same terms of changing all the staff and systems in
ministries should take place like the changing of the guards in the town
councils, there is no way the new govt can start to administer a
country and all its ministries and stats boards given the time
constraints.
The expectation of a new town council management to start operating and
running a town council almost immediately is insane. An incoming town
council could insist that all the documents, accounts and system be
proper and free from errors before taking over and this would lead to an
endless explanation and bickering of what is being handed over. This is
simply plain impossible and unacceptable.
It is time the town councils be returned to be managed permanently and
continuously by a stats board with permanent staff and system for the
good of the residents. No one or party or politician need to be put
through running a town council to prove themselves to be able to run a
country. This is a red herring, a myth. It does not happen in any other
country and historically, new govts are form in democratic countries
after winning an election with people that came from all walks of life
except running a country and they ran the country and doing no less
better than people who had the experience of running town councils.
One does not have to run a small company to run a big company or
organization. Running a small company or organization like a town
council has very little relevance to running a country. If that is the
critical experience to run a country successfully, then the first
generation of leaders would have failed or must fail. They did not,
without the experience of running town councils. So did the leaders of
all the countries in the whole wide world.
This town council thing must be put right for the good of the people and
country. All the political bickering is unnecessary, stressful, silly
and a waste of public funds and resources that could be put to better
use and more important things.
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This is the sure way the PAP maintains a hold on all GRC. No GRC must fall into the hands of any opposition parties. Make it as difficult as possible. In the unlikely event that one GRC should fall into the hands of opposition as in this case, make it so difficult for the new administration to run the GRC so that no other HRC will become opposition hold. What a good way to make sure PAP hold on to a one party rule. Poor Singaporeans, never to see a balance government.
no lah no lah........
the masses actually did supported this leh........
dont forget....pap got 70% at the last GE with on this system........
so...........what can you say now?.....what can you do now?.........
let me tell you.....the masses bo-chup this case lah....everyone is so very busy in sg.....
so...........dont waste time hoping for a change........
so...........保重! 保重! 保重!
all the best!
Rb, I think you forgot why it was done this way. U can now see the benefits from ruling party viewpoint. The wp is being screwed!
LKY's infamous quote :"It's not our duty to help the Opposition" but their evil minds to eliminate them.
One one hand, we need more opposition members for Robust Debates in formulating National Policies but hypocritically we destroyed them.
Appointed NCMPs parrots for Wayang shows. Interviewed Yes Men and Women own MPs to agree on everything the PM directs.
That's where the SDP's previous two seats as won are returned to them.
The Management of all Constituencies were under the HDB for donkey years and the Economy of Scale we were paying less than what's we paying now.
Everyfew months, without notice the conservancy and other misc charges were increased without informing all concerned.
These STUPID TCs were started when the Opposition made some inroads into Parliament.
So, they devise these evil plans of TCs knowing that they still have the full Evil Services behind them.
The Evil Servants would be too afraid to anyignuse the Ruling PAPies.
So,they made things real difficult for any Opposition Wards.
All requests and applications for whatsoever functions by the Opposition were to be denied or make difficult by the Approving Authorities.
This, in the name of For You,With You and also Fark You.
The HDB previously know MIs and now what's TOs are reluctant to be transferred or seconded to the TCs.
Those in the Safe wards are not so stressed as those in somewhat's may be win by the Opposition Wards
Their liviehoods are not secure and stable every four or five years like contract basis.
Furthermore, which contractors or Managing Agents dared to do businesses with the Opposition Wards.
Firstly, conflict of interests and secondly they knew how vicious this little Emperor and his Eunuchs are.
They are vindictive creatures out for Revenge.
In taking over, they would caused havoc by not disclosing all necessarily procedures and documentation and the Opposition Wards had to start from scratch.
The innocent citizens are collateral damage to their small mindedness and pettiness.
That's why it must 've returned to the HDB as managing agents for all.
Their main evil scheme is to derail the Opposition Wards by making them looked bad in the eyes of the electorate and praised the PAP for their efficiency.
Which is NOT. PAP constituencies no screw ups??
The worst scenarios of their many losing the household ownersmonies in their what's investment scams.
Hello, want to punt, punt your own and not on others sinking fund and blood monies payments.
You be more shocked of the PAP's constituencies worse wrong discrepancies of their accounts.
The only Solution is to have the Singapore Harpan as the Government and expose their hypocrisy.
Just to add: MPs are elected to be in Parliament to formulate policies for the Good of the Nation and her People and NOT to jaga jambans and rubbish dumps.
Wake up.
Bigger n bigger garhmen means much more costlier for citizens but its tax payers monies not pappies money, just collect more from citizens...but much more lobang for kaki lang. Laughing all the way to the bank n gcb.
When PAP falls, this evil political maneouvre must be exposed and PAP will have to answer to the PEOPLE IN COURT!
Anon 11.43
You are right in a way. There are still a 30% innocent citizens who are been unfairly discriminated due to the daft 70% Accomplices to Blue Murder by the PAP.
They using all Tax Payers monies to have pork barrel politics in only buying supports and votes in their own spineless voters.
Anyway, most sinkers or sinkies are spineless.
Chiam See Tong had served them unreservedly and even had his Meet the Peoples near the dust bins shafts.
Due to the PAP vicious actions of not allocating one.
One time, Potong Pasir Voters were praise worthy saying No Bus we walk.
After promise of better facilties and ate abalone porridge from Szeto, they abandoned CST.
What's sort of Grit,Determination and Resolve as a Beacon for all to emulate and be proud of their Opposition bro and sisters voters became a farce after some rubbing on their Arses by the PAP.
So, in a way, as what Anon said. They deserved to be screwed by their choices. But the unfortunate 30% had to suffer their stupidity.
Anyway, GRC is a double welded sword. You win BIG, also you may lose BIG.
So, hopefully if the PAP still wants to toy with this system, they may be kicked out wholesale like the UMNO.
We urge the crazy rich politicians to correct their mistakes and follow the correct path .
Woo hoo. Election come, should I stay at home? What I vote, will the one that count vote too tired read wrong? Opposition really wanted to help people need to really be in politics?
PAP will still be in power until at least 2032. Only after that will they face danger of losing 2/3 majority.
But by then how many old uncles here die already?!?
Anon 12.36 must have swallowed the PAP Bait, Line and Hook Con promise of VERS. That's why he predicted that the PAP will be in power till 2032.
He must be one of the Daft who brought his Lease HDB flat at an enormous sum and hopes that by that time, he be at least gets some compensation for his stupid decision.
Luckily, we old ankors like he said do not live to see their disappointments and Good Luck to him.
Hope they do not die from shocks or Heart attacks at that time when he also became old uncle.
He be kicked out of his voluntary choice of his balance tail end lease flat and be sleeping in the streets or parks if he do not have enough dough to purchase another one million $$$$$ 99 YEAR lease flat that do not belong to him after getting a meagre compensation of a few miserable $$$$.
Cheers and good luck to you.
By the way, please remember to vote the PAP for the next four or five Errections before you can realise your dreams of your forever capital gains flat.
Don't TKSS like you are God. PAP will fall when Pinkkie dies of cancer soon. And it will not be the uncles and aunties who will bring down the PAP. It will be the New Citizens! Mark my words!
@RB
Why the fucking judge hasn't already thrown the case out of court is beyond me...oh silly me, maybe there's some politics involved...some kind of "agenda" and "special interest" going on. 🧐 I don't know. I can suspect, but Sherlock Holmes I am not.
>> This town council thing must be put right for the good of the people and country. All the political bickering is unnecessary, stressful, silly and a waste of public funds and resources
I'm afraid it might be way to late for that. Anything which happens from here on out is going to be "jerry-rigged" and will probably fail again.
My theory for this is based on the NATURE of the HDB-thingy.
Most folks know I'm a free-market dude...private property, individual enterprise, meritocracy, justice, rule of well-defined, objective law, add value-collect profits...those sorts of things which make capitalism work.
However, the PAP really fucked up the show when they made HDB into a messy, ill-defined, part-socialist, part-capitalist chapalang suka-suka change policy, political carrot-and-stick cluster-fuck, which is how I see the evolved HDB "monster".
Let's visit the basic socialist tenet: "From each according to their ability, to reach according to their need".
Now imagine the typical family---comprising working adults and very old and very young members. The productive adults provide for those who cannot provide for themselves. In fact if they didn't, they would be considered "very chow-kah people". This is a pure socialist model, and has worked since the beginning of our species.
Consider introducing meritocracy-based capitalism into the family instead of socialism. The obvious outcome is that those who cannot provide will fucking DIE but not before SUFFERING HORRIBLY..
This is what has happened to HDB over decades. It started off as PUBLIC HOUSING at affordable prices for very basic but liveable; and might I add extremely robustly constructed blocks of units.
In the 1970's it was $15k for a 3 room, 20k for 4 room and a (whopping 😜) 30k for a 5 room. Singapore had a HOUSING CRISIS, and Singapore's socialised PUBLIC housing was so successful it became famous.
Then the PAP came up with this idea to turn HDB into "assets" by introducing "capitalism" and "market-based policies". At the same time together with the CPF this "mechanism" which relates to humans' basic needs---security and dwelling---was turned into a powerful POLITICAL TOOL used extremely effectively to manipulate voters.
As a smart politico once said "Never let a crisis go to waste". 😎
Caught up in the euphoria of "sudden wealth", Singaporeans lost all sense of logic because now everyone was INCENTIVISED to make sure their asset values grew, and when they sold, they'd make a nice profit.
Socialist systems should remain socialist systems. Otherwise shut them down and go free market all the way.
AHTC and Punggol TC (the claimants in the suits) should be (as per RB's suggestion) fucking 100% govt stat boards...permanent and independent of ANY POLITICAL ass-fuckery. This shit-show is all because infecting a pure socialised system of PUBLIC housing with market-based ideas.
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"Market based ideas" are fantastic in areas where they are needed. They spur innovation. One aspect of market based ideas is that they produce winners and losers. In socialised systems the focus is on EQUALITY.
However now HDB being market based is completely ruined. No more equality. You pay MARKET PRICES or look for alternatives...like emigration or living in Johor.
To get rid of all this nonsense, HDB has to rid itself of all this "asset-enhancement" shit. The political power of HDB-CPF has got to go, and return to a STRICTLY SOCIALISED system, the way public housing is supposed to be.
Let the government run the whole darn thing. Cap the prices and take away all this "asset" nonsense. If your HDB cost 50k, when you sell it BACK TO HDB (no open market sales!!) you get a predetermined and standardised amount...fixed in the rules, so EVERYONE knows what to expect.
Public housing should NEVER be turned into personal assets.
...but as I said at the beginning.. I think that will never happen. People won't give up their "asset values", and the govt won't relinquish a very powerful and effective tool.
So now 3 people are going to be BANKRUPTED (they have to pay back everything if found liable by the courts)...and The Sheeple will once again vote for their OPPRESSORS
Virgo
I don't need to depend on monetary value of my hdb, just need it as roof over my head.
I don't care if hdb prices become zero tomorrow. So I'm not beholden to PAP or any other govt.
My retirement funds are over 1 million, spread internationally & generating over $10k dividends each month. I've been investing over 20+ years So have gone thru AFC, dotcom, 911, SARS, GFC .... each time learning & strengthening my portfolio.
What I did is nothing special. I know Sinkies who have never earned more than $6k-$7k per month in their jobs but are able to save & invest to over $2M, $3M nest eggs by their mid-50s.
I'm definitely not rich ... Comfortable and 95% of my food is hawker centre and coffeeshop type. I seldom go holidays and if I do, it's mainly to cheaper beach resorts in Asean countries.
I've never voted for PAP since I started voting in 1993 (by election).
But it's still a fact that PAP will not lose power over the next 10 years at least.
It's better not to be an ostrich but instead to be realistic and don't fall into the conventional society & PAP traps that keep 80+% of sinkies as slaves.
Well good for you Anon 3.13
I fully agreed with Matilah that the HDB flats should be sold at Cost Built Up prices and if intended to sell, then to the Board at the purchase rate less what's years of depreciation.
NOT what's rubbish Assets Enhancements at Market prices which are easily manipulated by many Sources.
This will have the Future Generations NOT be in debts and unnecessarily be in the IMH.
Oldies like us who brought their flats cheep cheep and were ecstatic that they be making tons of $$$$$$ do not have second thoughts for their children.
With the exception of those singles who have no baggage of problems that concerned their children, most parents had nagging fears that most of their children would be penniless with these high cost of artificially inflated living in Sinking Land.
Thus, the Government must also stop inflating these housing inflation.
Now, they simply cannot terminate their Ponzi Scheme and need to carry on deceiving the people.
Too bad, some burnt and some benefited.
The PAP creating the Town Councils, is just one of many other hurdles created, ostensibly to make sure that no opposition party can ever come into power successfully. Taking over the running of the Town Councils from the PAP, for a new party at the helm, will be hell on earth, with all kinds of hidden time bombs built into the workings of the Town Councils that will arise to hinder any chance of power changes. Anyone taking over will find spanners thrown all over the works, subterfuge of all kinds, result of which even cleaning contractors dare not bid for cleaning jobs in towns run by the opposition. It is all in the agenda of hanging on to power that the Town Councils idea was hatched. Nothing more nothing less.
Just one opposition party taking over the running of the AHTC has already revealed the stink associated with the Town Council changing hands from the PAP to the opposition. All the problems were created to make sure the opposition will fail in its task. What about the opposition taking control of all the Town Councils running the whole island? They have to do a complete change of the staff, the computer systems and the whole works, including the cleaning contractors, who may be out to sabotage the processes.
Talking about the WP being sued, despite they claiming to have done all in good faith and being told that 'in good faith' is not an excuse. What about the PAP Town Councils investment in Lehman Bros and loosing millions of the Town Council's money. Wasn't that also been claimed to be done in good faith? What is the difference? Why is one more excusable than the other? Did anyone one tried suing the PAP MPs running the Town Councils for the loss of so much money?
Hi Anon.4.19
Paying more than what's nonsense more than what's market rate more than the PAP so called enconmy of scale rate is Good Faith by the WP. Jobs needed to be done. No other contractors or Managing Agents dared to do for WP as they be black listed by the Revengful Petty Eunchs.
But loses in the Lehman investment are a different kettle of fish.This is not in Good Faith.
The Constituents in their TCs do not need profitable ventures or investments to run their Constituencies.
The monies paid are for regular conservancy and other misc charges and also provisions from the Ministry.
So where the need to have profitable monies to share or lower the cost for the constituents??
This is egarious,cavalier misuse of public funds.
In fact, the HDB should have run the Town Councils island wide in the first place. That would have been the perfect scenario. Whoever comes into power will not face such problems at all.
But the political agenda of the PAP is obvious, and that is making sure town cleaning becomes a political hot potato. So much so that even cleaning of estates has become a political tool for the PAP to capitalised.
Further, it is the PAP's business to make matters and things complicated, to show that they are running a country full of self induced problems and needed so many MPs in Parliament, and ministers needed to be paid the world's highest salary compared to leaders of countries thousands of times larger, and besieged by more complicated problems like earthquakes.
Of course the PAP wants such a situation because they hold all the cards in any political adventure. They know they have a win win situation in any event, because they control all avenues, lock stock and barrel. So they created all the bogus problems to hang on to power. These have been engineered from the very onset.
Hi Anon 5.00
Anyway, this Suit by the TC as instigated with political agenda on WP is an eye opener for the daft supporters to learnt all the evil plots of the PAP to run down WP.
In Court, all the revelations of what's the PAP scheme of dirty tactics are reported in the Shits Times without edition.
Eveb the Ang Moh Accountant were at a loss of words when been questioned. Indian liars real good I must admit and lift the hat to the Defence Lawyer.
The PAP is digging their own grave or shooting their own feet thinking they can eliminate the WP once and for all.
Heavens supported Justice and Karma befalls on them.
If the Verdict is otherwise, then Heavens Really No Eyes.
Yawnz. Is this the first day you all live in Singapore? Election come should I stay at home? Halimah can vote? Tanjong Pagar can vote?
The People Give The Orders And The Government Obeys
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/// The mask has been off for some time and the people understand that the government does notexist to serve them; it exists to enslave them
– that is, to rob them of the fruits of their labour through taxation, whilst doing as little as possible to benefit them. ///
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-09/people-give-orders-and-government-obeys
This very true. The NKF's infamous/ famous debacle by TT Durai's revealation of keeping 90% of the public donations and giving out only 10% to the actual beneficiaries is akin to the compulsory insurance schemers' schemes - of peying out less than 10% of the premiums forced upon the CPF members to pay.
Same thing with all the ministries' budget-based expediture (90% kept for the ministries and only 10% of the budget actually benefits the public.
Etc. Etc....
The KPMG and whats Warehouse and Nonsensical Price dared to be Auditors and insisted to be the Auditors appointed by the TC into WP's accounts when they were the Auditors for NKF.
No reports of Accounting Frauds and Discrepancies????
What's Double Standard.
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