'20 days after Perera posed his question on bonuses to PM Lee,
sparking public uproar over the lack of transparency, top Mediacorp news
presenter Bharati Jagdish interviewed Ho Kwon Ping – the executive
chairman of Singapore-based leisure business group, Banyan Tree Holdings
– on her noted ‘On The Record’ programme.
During the interview, published on CNA on 30 Sept, Ho Kwon Ping
remarked that his salary is lower than that of ministers. The CNA report
went on to state that Ho’s salary, inclusive of bonus and benefits,
comes up over S$2.5 million.
The wording on the article seemed to imply that if Ho’s claims that
he is paid less than what ministers earn, ministers actually earn a lot
more than the S$1.1 million for entry-level ministers and the S$2.2
million for the Prime Minister, when bonuses are included....' theindependent
See how Bharati Jagdish and Ho Kwon Ping were caught in a mess that Chee Hian had to comment on it and both had to explain and explain to make sure the water is crystal clear, to see that truth, that Ho Kwon Ping's income or salary of $2.5m is not less but more than the ministers, more than the PM. The issues involved telling the basic salary or with all the bonuses and perks. Not telling correctly can lead to misinformation and confusion.
The Independent reported that Bharati had been dismissed or forced to resign.
During the interview with Ho Kwon Ping, she did not double check Ho Kwon Ping's salary and thus gave the impression that someone was lying for saying the PM earns only $2.2m, the ministers lesser than $2.2m, then how could Ho Kwon Ping's $2.5m be lesser? See, when the numbers are not clear, it could become half truth or fake news or misinformation, misleading. Anyone making such half truths must be made to clarify so that the public would not be misled. And the main media cannot afford to make such mistakes. Now with the committee on fake media being formed to deal with such matters, for a media staff to report unclear numbers became a very serious business.
Ho Kwon Ping had clarified that his basic was less than the minister/PM. His $2.5m was gross, including bonuses and benefits. It is very important to compare apple with apple, not with orange or durian. Anyone still blur and cannot tell the difference between apple and orange or durian?If you want to compare Ho Kwon Ping's gross salary, then you have to compare minister's gross salary also. Gross is gross.
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Conclusion our ministers cannot understand simple English. We still dont know the answer to each minister total renumeration of salary, bonuses, perks, fees, etc in each year.
We are still blur. Dont know. Question not answered despite all tje time spent in questions, answers, etc. Wow how to have the same people to determine Fake news or True news, when they cannot answer simple English questions?
The PM and Other Ministers, from mini-Minister to super-grade-Minister, must not only reveal their basic salary but their net income per year clearly and succinctly, without trying to go around the merry bush, treating the public like kindergarten kids. Period.
Net income is different from basic salary. It includes all sources and components of income, acter tax. The income that they reported to the Income Tax Dept every year!
Inclusive of benefits-in-kind.
They are highly educated and highly intelligent people, AND HONEST people. Therefore, their answers to the public should not leave even an iota of doubt as to their intelligence and honesty. Anything less is not acceptable and suspect!
Typo error::
"acter tax" means "after tax"
SG is best-EST run country in the world.
The present salaries of the ministers are much Tooooooooooooo low.
The ministers should be paid five times their present salaries.
Please remember, the ministers are super talents.
Very very difficult to hunt.
Pay them now!
Even their basic pay is so Complicated. Catch no balls!
How to know they rightly paid, under paid, over paid when we dont know how much they are actually paid?
Before tax..
Don't ask! Why want to know. Don't ask!
Just pay them 5 times more!
Hahaha........
Who Is Fake - Turkey News Media Or Saudi Arabia Authorities?
"Turkish media have named 15 Saudi nationals who Turkish officials suspect were involved in the disappearance of Jamal Khashoggi, a prominent Saudi journalist critical of the government who was last seen entering the Saudi consulate in the city of Istanbul on 2 October.
Most of the men flew into Istanbul on two private jets hours before Mr Khashoggi arrived at the consulate to collect some routine paperwork, and flew back to Riyadh later in the day on the same jets.
Turkish officials believe the men are Saudi officials and intelligence officers, an allegation that appears to be supported by open source information that is freely available.
Saudi authorities deny any involvement in Mr Khashoggi's disappearance. They insist he left the consulate soon after getting the paperwork."
Human nature is such that when they are in high authority and their image is at stake for what they have done "secretly", they are bound to deny wholesale any report that will implicate them. This is the common modus operandi of all politicians, political figures and political hacks.
Din't ask, No need to ask.
Want to know just VTO.
Not only the Truths of their salaries but many many other info that you need to know.
NO NEED SPECULATIONS!!!
So simple, cast your votes wisely.
I just cannot understand why it is such a well guarded state secret about how much the PM / minsters salaries are? Why all the secrecy? Are they embarrass of the figure? Just cannot understand it ????
Maybe Redbean can enlighten us.
...... but the masses con't to vote for them leh
...... a massive 70%!
.......sg can do a Sg Harapan at next GE?
....... dream on.............
I just cannot understand why it is such a well guarded state secret about how much the Temasek salaries are? Why all the secrecy? Are they embarrass of the figure? Just cannot understand it ????
Maybe Redbean can enlighten us.
Just to add No Need To Pay Them these salaries which is a better solution than knowing what's the figures they getting.
Just VTO. No need crack your grey matter too much.
Can go IMH.
Cheers
Do a Sg Harapan?
Possible?
@ RB
Bro, why you so heartless lah? These people are just "cari makan"...like most of us. Trying to make a living...to keep them and their familiess from starving. Just earning enough to get by. Everyday, is uncertain...will they eat? Will they starve?
So poor-ting one lah.
We must find compassion for these poor unfortunates, and be more "charitable" by paying more taxes, and patronising the Banyan Tree properties whenever we can.
๐คก
Businessmen risk their own capital to start a business. If their business fail they lose their capital and money. If their company is successful it is their luck for whatever profit the company makes is all theirs and no one should grudge them or say anything. Whereas ministers are politicians the many of which join politics as a short cut to wealth, riches and glory. What risk do they have except bluffing and lying all their way to power. There is actually no comparison. So ministers should not be paid more than half a million dollars whether PM or otherwise. Nobody force them to take up politics and achieve success to be ministers. Politics is a calling and politicians must truly and sincerely delicate themselves to serve the people and the country. Sad to say most politicians in little USA type of western democracies are fake for they want to serve themselves only at the expense of the people and country. If they are not happy to dedicate and serve the people and the country they should get out of politics. Rotten shit whatever they are for being fakes.
@ 315 successful bluffing:
Not all business people risk their own money. In fact, it is more sensible to risk OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY ๐ค
No bluff can be successful unless the "victim" believes the bluff.
The victim believes the bluff due to (most common reason) CONFIRMATION BIAS...ie they don't seek hard cold truth. Instead, they seek "evidence" which confirms their already held biases.
This is why I believe:
You can't CHEAT an HONEST man
If you kena tipu, chances are you asked for it because you simply accepted that which makes you "feel good about yourself". ๐
//Not easy to tell the truth and nothing but the truth//
Chio si lang???
//... reported that Bharati had been dismissed or forced to resign ...//
Wasn't she an "ex-plp"?
//...a media staff to report unclear numbers became a very serious business.//
Reminiscent of those Bruised Lee movies fighting between him and some "black" guys?
//During the interview with Ho Kwon Ping, she did not double check Ho Kwon Ping's salary and thus gave the impression that someone was lying for saying the PM earns only $2.2m, the ministers lesser than $2.2m, then how could Ho Kwon Ping's $2.5m be lesser?//
Does she abide by the cardinal rule that an employee has the fiduciary duty to serve only those he/ she is obligated to serve cos he/ she is under his/ her "master's" payroll and thus his/ her loyalty lies there absolutely with no "ifs" or "buts" to SHAMboLEE's else interests/ agenda? According to some (JLB) ex-soldiers (from SxF boy sch), when "master" ask them to jump, NEVER ask "y" but only ask "how high"??? (Sms?) Incidently most of the businesses or companies (to have the misfortune) overseen by such JLBs often become downside up fish (in the water, with the bellies facing the clear blue sky)?
Hence then ...
"To be, or not to be: that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them? To die: to sleep;
No more; and by a sleep to say we end
The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks
That flesh is heir to, 'tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wish'd." Quote from Hamlet
//It is very important to compare apple with apple, not with orange or durian.//
So must compare SHAMboLEE to ah ter & ah cow or what? VerLEE confusing leh ...???
//See, when the numbers are not clear, it could become half truth or fake news or misinformation, misleading.//
From ancient China geomancy, ้พ is a (very secretive) celestial creature and now u see it now u don't? They "hide" in the cloud high in the sky and "play hide and seek"? Quite headache cos dunno what, when, where, how, who etc etc ...? Things can be a "blur" ... and "elusive" ... That could be the reason why ancient emperors and their systems ended quite screwed up cos they are entralled by ้พ and deemed it as sacred as deserving the highest honour accorded to the emperor. But it could be the reverse? The ้พ่ข or dragon robe could well have been better was it to be a ็ช่ข or hog robe? At least "hogs" are quite forthcoming and if they think you are daft, they will openly say so (without any remorse)?
No?
Based on ancient Chinese geomancy, those ancient Chinese born in dragon years are very very "proud"?
They really thought they were very "special" but actually "unique" in the "wrong sense"?
They were mostly not as strong or able in reality as they thought so they played "hide here, hide there, super secretive" to try gain every little bit of advantage over others? But if really they were so capable, why then they needes to do that? The ancient belief to "cherish" arrival of a "dragon baby" may be "misguided". So far they were actually more a "weakling" than the strong creature they were mythically made to be? So the bumper crop in every cohort of "dragon babies" in superstitious tradition may be misplaced cos they neither have the tenacity of the (ferocious) "tigers" nor the stamina of the (blind) ox?
//As "surreptitious" as a "dragon"// may be the "new found" revelation to be added to the list of idioms?
Another one could be "As stupid and incurable as a daft sickie"?
The 3rd one could be "As multipolar as MS"?
Politics is organised gangsterism, organised crimes.
See how they behave, act and do and you cannot tell the difference between gangsters and politicians.
I dunno why the reporter accept her fate to resign. It's quite easy to defend herself with facts:-
The $1.1M for most junior minister all the way to $2.2M for PM is based on "average performance".
As stated in the ministerial salary review in 2011, "Average performance" will get only 50% of the maximum bonuses.
Since variable bonuses make up about 1/2 of total ministers' salary, that means a "very good performance" will be $1.47M for junior minister to $2.93M for PM.
So if HKP maximum maximum salary+bonus that he ever get is $2.5M, then it is truthful to say that his salary is less than PM (or even DPM).
Unless govt come out to say that PM has never ever got "very good performance" rating before.
And govt dare to show the whole country the past 10 years history of actual minister / PM salary to proof it.
** If you study the ministerial salary review report, the criteria for ministers / PM to get good bonuses is actually quite easy. Most of the time, ministers will get at least 7 months variable bonus.
** The maximum variable bonus is 13.5 months.
Is it a misfortune then for a pauper to become a rich taokay and later fell from great heights and become worst than his original state of a pauper?
Similarly many S Americans States and even Indo China countries were once glorious empires at its zenith but not so dirt poor that it is so far far away from their former self? When misfortune fell, there is no where to hide? Same same the pauper become billionaire towkay and back to worst than pauper? Karma is a bitch with many contemporary examples serving as hard "evidence" that when misfortune strikes the decadent and rotten beans, there is absolutely no where to hide as it tails them maciam their shadows?
Stupid autocorrect
Should be
*"now so dirt poor"!!!
At this moment, arguably the "most stupid and suicidal" thing for dodos ... Oops sickies is to have children? Really an agony and BURDENSOME BURDEN?
NO?
Ask all the parents with children below 18, no should be 21, no should be 25, no should be 30, no should be 35 ... No hope le? Let sickies become extinct bah and be the dodo in the 21st century? To bring new born into sickland is to sabo them? Make them go through a life time of suffering? Female become pros? Male become salves?
The So Gong King face ัะนะต "ๅ้" ััะฟะต?
This ไบ้จ very suay la, super bad luck?
One ๆทซๅพview then kena like that?
U say "ๅไบๅ ซ็พ่พๅญ้" or ะปะพั?
ะะปะป ะฝะพ ะบะพะป ัะตะน ะดะฐัะบะน ะฒะฐะฑ ัะถัะบ?
ะขะตะพ ัะตะณ ะดะถัะบ ะฐัะฑะพ ะปะพั ะฑะพ ะฒะฐะฑ ัััะบ?
Go survey the youngsters (21 and below)and see how many dunno what is going on and what they see as their "future" (if any)? Not being vocal does not equate to dunno? Also look around see what many chabor 30 le but still spinsters not married? Many not even attached? See what shit others going through better not follow their footprints? Who in the right frame of mind want to do that in sickland?
Right Anon 9.27
In Sinkieland, only those very, very the Foolish would wants to perpetuate their Next Generation.
My two children are both Single. Now my in-laws and relatives do not open their mouths again when they previously always harped why my children do not want to get married.
They have now shut their gaps as they now see their married children struggling in Sinkieland with their grandchildren ai see bey see ai wa bey wa.
Some even get into Martial problems. Children struggling in schools with no headway as the Elites who are given so many privileges and priorities in their choices which many are by connections and balls carrying.
Earned like Hell but spend so much on their education and in the end, ended as NOTHING.
Like slaves, their sons served NS withy most chiong suan and others in air-conditioned offices or just excel in what's getting a fluke Gold Medal for the Egoistic Leaders Ego and Prestige and gets deferment and sure Exemption after that.
Once loss their jobs, the children got to send to Temples for the monks to care or for the Pastors's soto mee.
I have a few Sinkie arrogant neighbors who thinks too highly of themselves and see us the old generation as mostly peasant and uneducated. Think we retirees as poor as church mouse.
Never have the idea that some of us can be richer than them with two trips a month to Genting and they have still to slog an never ending slavery life.
I told some of them sarcastically especially those on a One income earner that they better do not die as their wives as house wives would be maids or washerwomen to others and their children got to stay in the monasteries.
Better pray that they do not lose their jobs or die prematurely.
My two children are independent and self earning their keeps. Even out of jobs, they would not starve as by now should have enough savings with so many years of income.
Sinkieland sinks, they can float away with no baggage. Our Melaka apartment though not luxurious is better than sleeping in the parks or streets.
That's why the what's TFR oe what's RRRR in sinkieland is sinking low.
These are the Smart Ones who do not want to be burdened down by these unnecessary hassles
and problems.
DO NOT LOOK FOR PROBLEMS UNTIL PROBLEMS TROUBLES YOU.
CHEERS
Virgo, Knn u are right except I still encourage my kids to settle down one day cause it's no fun to go through old age on your own without the love of your kids. But u are right in other aspects. The biggest burden for young people is the 30 years mortgage for the tiny shoes box. So I told them not to buy any property at the current price till assets prices get corrected in the next financial crisis which is just near the corner if you look back in 1987, 1998, and 2018 so the next one should be with us anytime now. I think the Govt is also aware so they have all these property cooling measure to protect the banks.
So I told them to either rent, or stay with me temporarily till the market crash and u get at least 30 to 40% price correction. Knn agreed or not?๐ฐ๐
No need lah bro. When you have enough funds and friends when you are old, the friends or eighteen years old sweet things nurses will take care of you if you are unfortunate to be in the nursing homed.
No guarantee that your kids will look after you.
Cheers
Our very very educated ministers n even PeeM n policy makers seem unable to know the simple truth that hawker food will be cheap n low if any only if effective total rental costs is low. N all within their power...they are the monopolistic LANDLORD in Singapore.
Biggest Bullshit wants to determine what is truth n fake. Figure that out?
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