4/21/2017
What’s wrong being a Communist?
Today I can ask such a question without fear of being taken away in the middle of the night and locked up forever without trial. There was a time when talking about Communism and saying things good about Communism could end a person being branded as a communist and never see daylight thereafter.
I just read Teo Soh Lung’s post in the TRE about her arrest with 21 others in 1987, accused of being communists. And she wrote this,
‘Today I categorically deny again that I was a communist in 1987. I deny that I was ever involved in any communist network. I invite the government to prove its case against me or charge me in court if they so wish. I know it will never convene a truth and reconciliation commission to investigate the gross injustice done to those arrested.
What laws do the government need to fight fake news? It should put its house in order before it enacts more laws to blind and gag the people of Singapore.’
This prompts me to ask this question, what is wrong being a communist? Trump had dinner with Xi Jinping, the President of Communist China, so must also be a communist. Xi Jinping and his wife were invited to spend a few days in Buckingham Palace too and welcomed all over the world. The communists from China and Russia are every where as tourists, businessmen, professionals, students and whatever. There can’t be anything wrong with being a communist right?
But in those dark days of our history, associating with Communism, reading communist literature, being a communist, was like becoming a member of Satan, more frightening than being the enemy of the state. Communism is only a political ideology, an ideology of a perfect state, an utopia, where everyone is equal and live in prosperity like paradise on earth. The problems of Communism then were its militant methodology to achieve political power by force. Then Communism advocated the end justified the means and the violent overthrow of existing govts. Communism was associated with violent means.
Today, many western countries have communist parties operating legitimately as another alternative party. Would someone calling himself a communist today in Singapore be arrested? I am afraid I don’t know what is the official stand on this, because the daft could not move with the changing time and could not adapt to the new reality that Communism has in a way abandoned the violent overthrow of govts. It is western democratic capitalist countries that are using force and violence to overthrow govts, conduct wars and regime change. This is not funny.
This is also the reason why Teo Soh Lung is vehemently disclaiming that she was a communist. Is it important if she was or was not a communist then? Ah, yes and no. Yes because she is making the point that she and her group were not communists but arrested and accused of being communists, for being communists then was a crime or anti state. No, not relevant today because I think one cannot be arrested just because he is a communist, or else all the Chinese from China would not be allowed entry here. I stand corrected on this. There is no official statement on this point yet. A foreign communist is allowed here, but not sure a Singaporean can be a member of a communist party today.
Can one be a communist and would not be arrested here, and be allowed to live just like everyone else? Can one form a communist party and contest in the general election? Has the govt grew up and accept Communism as another political ideology and a communist party is acceptable here as long as it does not preach violence or using force to gain political power?
I don’t think anyone has addressed this issue or say anything for or against it. It looks like Communism is still taboo here though many are doing business with the communists, wining and dining, making deals and even jumping into bed with the communists.
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Actually the western democracy ideology & politics in governing its people have failed miserably, look at Brexit, France & Trumpet all now turning to Britons 1st, France 1st & Americuns 1st, all r some kind of a socialist policies quite similar to communism's society. Britains, France, Americuns & even Aussies r all protecting its own people on their jobs wat bout Sinkieland ( Sinkies Leeders only know how to use communist to jail dissenters & silence its people, why dun they jail the Cheena foreigners workers here - except one communist Cheena Cheater who cheated one widow ah ma yet the miws approved his PR status)..
Definition of madness:
"completely unable to think clearly or behave in a controlled way, especially because of mental illness: "
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/deranged
A fearful mind imprison
Everything.minds n body.
Fear wipe out creativity.
Like mama lemon.
Being in the dark
What laws do the government need to fight fake news? It should put its house in order before it enacts more laws to blind and gag the people of Singapore.
Teo Soh Lung
Yesterday (Apr 20), Bill Ng made a public statement inviting anyone to inspect his finances at Tiong Bahru Football Club.
http://statestimesreview.com/2017/04/21/singapore-government-launch-corruption-probe-on-fass-opposing-camp/
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Do you think Bill Ng is a good Presidential candidate for Singapore?
Do you think he sets a standard that is very difficult to equal in Singapore?
True Communism failed and the communists we see today are a variant of communism of yesteryears. They are both communists and capitalists. They studied communism but only as a reminder of their origin. They yearn for freedom and do not associate themselves as communists. This is definitely a different world.
Jesus practised communism if you understand what communism is all about.
The church body has no comprehension of what the judgment means or the gravity of the judgment.
Kong Hee, a representative of all who speaks from the pulpit of power, is the head of his church, a body of believers who live by his word( located at the head).
The head, one of many of such christ, has been and is being judged. This is not one of many little heads in Sin. This head, was selected from one of many anointed ones(Christ), is one of the biggest and leading snake-head in Sin. A heel member had bruised its head and the head had bruised the heel prior to the incarceration.
The judgment will course from the top of the head to toe - whole body is being judged, not just the head.
Read why it has already been judged and now publicly or openly judged - a wake up call from deep darkness and deceit.
John 3:18/19 He that believeth on him is not judged: he that believeth not hath been judged already, because he hath not believed on the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And this is the judgment, that the light is come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the light; for their works were evil.
You thought you believed and served the begotten Son of man but you never had and never did. If you had, there will not be a judgment on the scandalous body. Beneath the pious exterior of the religious stronghold, hypocrisy thrives.
To be in the dark or be kept in the dark, in your ignorance, is to be to deprived of the source of light, the way, the truth and the life.
Anointed men rule from its dark chambers. It is the body of believers who keep them in power.
First of all, the word “Christ” comes from christos, a Greek word meaning “anointed.”
The New Testament Greek words for “anoint” are chrio, which means “to smear or rub with oil” and, by implication, “to consecrate for office or religious service”; and aleipho, which means “to anoint.” In Bible times, people were anointed with oil to signify God’s blessing or call on that person’s life (Exodus 29:7; Exodus 40:9; 2 Kings 9:6; Ecclesiastes 9:8; James 5:14). A person was anointed for a special purpose—to be a king, to be a prophet, to be a builder, etc.
Amanda
Anonymous said...
Yesterday (Apr 20), Bill Ng made a public statement inviting anyone to inspect his finances at Tiong Bahru Football Club.
http://statestimesreview.com/2017/04/21/singapore-government-launch-corruption-probe-on-fass-opposing-camp/
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Do you think Bill Ng is a good Presidential candidate for Singapore?
Do you think he sets a standard that is very difficult to equal in Singapore?
April 21, 2017 8:58 am
.........this is "Think-Out-Of-The-Box" that some leaders had said, lacking in Singapore?...........
hahaha................
Uncle RB, the scary part is not communism. The scary part r the minds of these Politicians making use of communism to silence its own people & jail them when its own people sing a different tune with the regime dynasty. And the next scary part r the govt policies that r poisonous & yet no change or very little change to tweet here & there like no change/unchanged at all to the benefits of the Regime dynastic rule. And also the scarest part r the impact of these govt policies. One scarest govt policies r the 'stop at 2' & open leg policies ( it become so successful) such tat the primary, secondary & junior colleges have to merge due to not enough people, Sinkies r on the way to its own extinction (& is the govt or people or both to blame? ..some already migrated..others stay to fight on a unfair matches..
What communism fuck? Any difference from Islamic state or men in white?
Nope
One man's meat
is another man'
poison or sin.
Creed and ideology are simultaneously both sin, even chargeable offence if outlawed and ideal and wholesomeness to different factions.
The Objective of any subject is up to individuals. However, the Power to define the Laws lies with those in power which could be abusive and worse rogue, if given absolute mandate to do as they like.
All anointed to fuck you
Hello Redbean, speed here. please be very careful talking about communism here in Singapore. As you have mentioned you are not certain what the official stand is on this topic. Just do not like to see you being haul up in the middle of the night. It would be a shame to wake up one morning and finding that you have not posted something on this blog of yours. I for one would miss you. Please be careful, very careful.
they don't like the light. When light hits, darkness scream like demons
Anything big powers are hiding?
Mr Kong did a lot of "evil" in the dark, didn't he?
Can one form a communist party and contest in the general election?
RB
Hahahahaha.
Which Sinkie in his right mind would want to form another political party, let alone a communist one, to contest against PAP in the general election?
So RB, your question is really hypothetical. And WP Teochew Ah Hia doesn't like to answer hypothetical questions, like "Will WP form a coalition govt with PAP if given the chance?"
Decisions for your good are all made in the...dark
End of...lease
Live in Sin, dies in Sin
Good luck to you
Which Sinkie in his right mind would want to form another political party, let alone a communist one, to contest against PAP in the general election?
9:46 am
Before GE 2015, still OK but after GE 2015, if any Sinkie does that, he/she needs to go for IMH checkup if his/her party is not ready to be govt.
Uncle Redbean, what Speed said is true. The word " com..xxxn" is a taboo..the G can use it against u & request a limkopi sesssion with u 4u in a nice posh Long Beach restaurant..
Not to worry sinkies, we live in paradise. The G will use their laws to ensure paradise eternally for you lol
What laws do the government need to fight fake news? It should put its house in order before it enacts more laws to blind and gag the people of Singapore.
Teo Soh Lung
PASTOR Kong, an evangelical, crossover came from Jesus or God. He had an encounter with Jesus, he claimed.
Why then the judgment?
Why bother about communism?
Should be concerned whether you have money or not!
No money anything also useless!
Correct or not?
The Sin Rulers visited Communist
Regimes and or played hosts to Communist Leaders.
Wonder how to classify these double standard rulers?
Hypocrite, traitor, double crossing betrayor or what???
Any better words to
describe them?
patriot
He requested forgiveness through a media statement issued on Wednesday. "I have, in these past weeks since the release of the JUDGMENT , reflected deeply. I have come to terms with what is ahead and am at peace," Kong said.
He said he had been "unwise"( instead of guilty for deceiving and lying)
Is he wiser now?
Not really
He temporarily handed his own pulpit to his wife
Still the leader of idiotic sheep all over Sin
Religion parallel politics and vice versa. All ruled by a "few good men"
Plenty of communists in Gay-land. Chicoms & Vietcongs. Lots of PAPies & YPAP members also go there to interact with the communists.
Talk rubbish some more. Remember, your children are dogs
Communism stems from Marxism who encouraged violence revolution. People are slowly waking up from those malicious western ideologies like marxism and globalization. They are nothing but tools to jail opponents, plunder assets, start wars and brainwash people.
These ideologies are like religions created by men for men to attain power and wealth. God created men and men created religions.
Bean, you should really do some research instead of listening to tales of ex-Op Coldstore and ex-Op Spectrum detainees. Here is some very self-incriminating posts from Dr Poh Soo Kai (ex Coldstore detainee), and Teo Soh Lung (ex-Op Spect detainee) where they implied that there was intention of a covert plan to overthrow the Sing and Malaya governments then, to replace it with a Socialist style govt merged with…… who else but with the only viable Socialist terror group then, CPM led by communist terrorist, Chin Peng. Remember the CPM killed 11,000 lives which included mostly innocent civilians?
Dr Pop incriminating self:
https://yawningbread.wordpress.com/2013/02/02/democracy-and-human-rights-in-deep-freeze-the-legacy-of-operation-cold-store/
“Operation Cold Store set back our dream in the 1950s and early 1960s of a new and independent nation called Malaya, embracing Singapore”
Teo Soh Lung incriminating self:
https://www.theonlinecitizen.com/2011/08/06/memorial-gathering-in-honour-of-tan-jing-quee/
“Like people of his generation, he believed in the Malayan dream, which saw Singapore as part of a socialist Malaya.”
So there was a plan to merge Malaya and Singapore under a socialist banner. That itself is not a concern. The concern is who are these socialists going to merge with in Malaya? Isn’t it Chin Peng, the communist terrorist, who terrorised the govt and villagers? If not him, who else? Care to name that person in the north.
Ex-detainees of Op Coldstore and Op Spectrum can deny all they want about their communist links and intention. But their actions betray them.
Socialism means everyone paying very high tax which is a kind of plundering that results in a political cartel controlling the means of production. Socialism also stems from marxism. Marxism is not social net, is not good government, is not equality but it is less freedom.
The times of Poh Soo Kai, the threat of Communism was real as they were very actively locally and internationally.
By 1987, come on, Communism was history. Even if they have the intent, they would not gain an inch of the ground as the ground totally hostile to the communist ideology just like what you see today.
When did Deng Xiaoping visited Singapore? 1978?
RB, like I said, communism in itself is not the problem. It is the intention to overthrow the current govt, which is considered treason. In 1987, Chin Peng and CPM were a threat and still operational - in the jungles of Thailand, where they were still sporadically attacking government installations. Had Chin Peng formed a formal political party in Malaysia, or Teo Soh Lung and gang formed one in Singapore (like what Barisan Socialisis didd, they would not have been classified as terrorists or Marxist supporters. But they did not and instead, Chin Peng decided to terrorise, while Soh Lung and gang continued to show their intention to merge Malaysia and Singapore under Socialis banner. Had Soh Lung joined forces with Barisan led by Dr Lee Siew Choh to contest elections, she would not have been seen as a Marxists conspirator then. Note that when she joined SDP to contest, she was not detained by ISD. But before that, she harboured the intention to illegally overthrow not just PAP in Singapore, but BN in Malaysia as well. And with who else, but the only viable option availabe, that is Chin Peng? Isn't that treason against Singapore and a regional threat towards our neighbours?
So they present a real and present danger to the govt in 1987?
Look at how dismal were the performance of the opposition parties till today and the very negative perception of the populace of Communism, you believe Soh Lung and her handful of young boys and girls stood a chance to overthrow the govt then?
Oh the Church was also involved if I could remember, or a member of the Church. That must be the real threat I supposed.
Was Teo Soh Lung
a cohort of Chin Peng?
For the Matter,
did they even knew each other ?
Were they found to
have communicated
in anyway ?
Are we reading made-upstory about Teo Soh Lung and maybe even Chin Peng.
Where can we read
more about the Fact
about Teo Soh Lung
and her link to Chin Peng ?
Aiyo, uncles ...communists operating here r a history Liao la..is TSL a communist? Only herself know la ho Bo? A thieves or spy will never admit guilty unless proven...the real threat now is Sinkieland is marching towards its own abyss created by the G ...one by one shops closes, one by one school closes, one by one bziness closes, one by one its citizens leaves, one by one no procreation...its a nemesis, like the Moses times the 10 plaques r already here...exodus of Sinkies & Sinkieland extinction marched over by Trojan snakes r all real & present danger...
/// RB, like I said, communism in itself is not the problem. It is the intention to overthrow the current govt, which is considered treason. ....
Isn't that treason against Singapore and a regional threat towards our neighbours? ///
April 21, 2017 3:48 pm
Was it treason?
Was Teo Soh Lung found guilty of treason in a court of law?
If not.
Then Teo Soh Lung is not guilty of treason.
True or not?
You tell me lah.
@ April 21, 2017 5:02 pm
Does the following article also apply to Singapore?
Greeks Need To Start Having Babies Again Or Face Financial Oblivion
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Fertility doctor Minas Mastrominas tells the New York Times that some women have decided not to conceive, and single-child parents have been asking him to destroy their remaining embryos.
He said: After eight years of economic stagnation, they’re giving up on their dreams.
It isn’t just Greece suffering low birth rates.
In fact the trend spreads to most of Europe, with Spain, Portugal and Italy also reporting dangerously low rates.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-21/greeks-need-start-having-babies-again-or-face-financial-oblivion
@ April 21, 2017 5:17 pm
" Was Teo Soh Lung found guilty of treason in a court of law?
If not.
Then Teo Soh Lung is not guilty of treason. "
..............
Was Lui Tuck Yew found guilty of incompetence in managing MRT in a court of law?
If not.
Then Lui Tuck Yew is not guilty of incompetence.
Can Sin explain for the GOOD RELATIONSHIPS AND HUGE INVESTMENTS IN CHINA AND VIETNAM WHICH ARE BOTH COMMUNIST NATIONS?
Both Poh Soo Kai and Teo Soh Lung, from their own words out of their own free will, uncoerced and unforced, implied that the plan was to have a Socialist government for a merged Singapore and Malaysia (Malaya). So who do Poh Soo Kai and Teo Soh Lung have in mind to lead the party in the North? It has to be terrorist Chin Peng, isn’t it?
The answer is crystal clear. There was intention by the first group of detainees (Op Coldstore), as well as the second group (Op Spectrum), to overthrow the legitimate governments of both Singapore and Malaysia, once in the early 1960s, and another time in the late 1980s.
Those who want to say it is not Chin Peng, please name the alternative leader in the North, who would have fitted into the plan of a merged Socialist Malaysia/Singapore, which Poh and Teo were talking about.
RB, isn’t it because the Marxists knew that if they stood election they would fail badly, hence their covert plan to overthrow the government instead? Yes, they even had the audacity to taint the church by making use of it. Like the current terrorists using mosques and madrasahs. Appalling!
So they present a real and present danger to the govt in 1987?
RB 4:01 pm
Not real or present danger but rather potential danger in future. Because if no action is taken, wait until people like Teo Soh Lung and others become very strong later as opposition then how?
That's why I think dismal were the performance of the opposition parties till today is precisely due to this action by PAP in 1987, among others.
So to PAP, it is the right and also being far sighted of PAP to take this action in 1987, tio bo?
Of course to RB and others including myself, this action is not right lah. But so what, when 70% were still solidly behind PAP even as recently as 2015?
But so what, when 70% were still solidly behind PAP even as recently as 2015?
9:52 pm
Not just 2015 but I dare say even till 2020 and beyond.
Or as long as the Sinkie opposition continue to be led by the type of leaders in GE 2015 and smart Sinkies continue to make money or emigrate, and not join or lead the opposition to fight PAP.
/// The answer is crystal clear.
There was intention by the first group of detainees (Op Coldstore), as well as the second group (Op Spectrum), to overthrow the legitimate governments of both Singapore and Malaysia, once in the early 1960s, and another time in the late 1980s. ///
April 21, 2017 9:36 pm
Wah!
So crystal clear and yet you do not bring them to trial in an open court?
Why ah?
Open court? But the marxists haven't act yet. How to charge? So use ISD lah. If wait for them to act too late liao. Singapore and Malaysia taken over by terrorist Chin Peng.
Brudder, the point is that Teo Soh Lung is not telling us the whole truth. The whole truth is that she did support the Marxist idea to overthrow the governments of Sing and Malaysia, by trying to link with another like minded socialist party in the North. So who else but terrorist Chin Peng is that leader in the North? That is treason. Her own words, just like Dr Poh, confirmed that intention. Nobody forced those words from her mouth. It came from her freely.
Teo should just leave the past and carry on with life. She got into trouble due to her own doing.
Haha.....
Great Story Teller.
Chin Peng the Old Refugee given a kampong in a jungle to live his remaining life had being in cahoot with a qualified timid lawyer in Sin to overthrow a many decades old regime in Sin?
Chin Peng was a spent bullet and that was why he was left to rot in the jungle.
It is one of the Greatest Joke that we have the Misfortune to read here.
This is one commenter that Redbean should takes out.
Alternatively, the Commenter or his/her family member must send to IMH.
/// Open court?
But the marxists haven't act yet.
How to charge?
So use ISD lah.
If wait for them to act too late liao.
Singapore and Malaysia taken over by terrorist Chin Peng. ///
April 21, 2017 11:08 pm
Wah! Crystal clear now.
Crime not committed.
Can still go to jail.
Very clear.
Very scary.
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Do you use an ang moh psychic or a Malay bomoh to do prediction of future crime ah?
I predict redbean is going to jaywalk across Orchard Road tomorrow.
We better arrest him for jay-walking tonight.
Just yesterday a few well educated fools still told me that North Korea is going to bomb Singapore and all the Asean countries.
Do you know Vernon Chang? He lives in a village in Changi. He is going to kill you. Why? I saw him carry a baseball bat. Oh you did not know him. Sure, I know you did not know him and neither did he know you. But the village gangster said he is going to kill you. And you believe the village gangster. So now you are so frighten of this Vernon Chang.
Who is he, what is he, never mind. As long as you are silly enough to believe the story of the village gangster, that is good enough. You have now an enemy called Vernon Chang. And you are fearing him for the whole of your life. All because you are daft. You don't use your blain to think. You let the village gangster tell you who is your enemy who is your friend.
Stupidity has no cure.
One or two here is full of conjectures and possibly imagination and or fabrication.
Could be agent(s) assigns here in My Singapore News to counter dissenters.
But, lacking in calibre makes the Comments irritating on top of being nonsensical.
In the early 40s after the Post War, when the British returned to reclaim Singapore after running off with their So called brave Indian and Sepoy Troops, the English educated were much much better off than the Chinese educated.
Even with their half past six certs, they are financially better off in governments and commercial services.
The Chinese educated were sidelined and had menial jobs for their survival.Those who are smart grabbed opportunities to do businesses and made their fortunes.
However,you must also have an edge and backing to businesses. Some with only a singlet on their backs with street wise businesses acumen made their fortunes.
Most were struggling as menial workers and small time hawkers.
The British favoured the English Helicopters and many bananas at that time even scorned the Chinese Helicopters.
China is going through a Revoultion with Mao's ideologies of communism. They sold a Socilaist Society with equality for all.
This ideology sounds wonderful for the Chinese educated in Singapore at that time. For they also desired a fairer way of Survival.
Those Chinese Intellectuals at that time thinking that they could help their fellow Chinese educated workforce alleviate their miseries were toying with this ideology.
The British and their cronies plus the bananas were afraid that they will be overthrown. So they tarred all sorts of evils in Communisim.
Mao's slogan at that time is Power comes from the barrels of the guns. The West and their imperialists were controlling them by the barrels of their guns.
The Elites in Singapore wants status quo to have their good life's.Thus they branded the so called Sinkie Chinese efuactrd as been communists.
All in one sentence, everybody are self centred in their own interests. They won.the battle and till today, do you think SINKIES be better off under them or the other parties??
To destroy the Roots, they even closed.down Nanyang Uni.
So many so called hard-core communists cadres who remained faithful to their beliefs and ideologies prefered to suffer and last till today.
Only those soft boned turncoat whose their father's generation fought for equality and freedom being lured by the Status and Wealth joined their other side.
So can you really say that Communisim is BAD??
/// One or two here is full of conjectures and possibly imagination and or fabrication.
Could be agent(s) assigns here in My Singapore News to counter dissenters.
But, lacking in calibre makes the Comments irritating on top of being nonsensical. ///
@ April 22, 2017 9:03 am
“He occasionally stumbled over the truth, but hastily picked himself up and hurried on as if nothing had happened.”
— Winston Churchill
Do you think the "Corporate Plantation Economy" also applies to Singapore?
Our State-Corporate Plantation Economy
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We've been persuaded that the state-cartel Plantation Economy is "capitalist," but it isn't. It's a rentier skimming machine.
I have often discussed the manner in which the U.S. economy is a Plantation Economy, meaning it has a built-in financial hierarchy with corporations at the top dominating a vast populace of debt-serfs/ wage slaves with little functional freedom to escape the system's neofeudal bonds.
The core feature of this Plantation Economy is the privileges of accumulating capital are all in the hands of the state-cartel elites.
The foundation of classical capitalism is the accumulation of capital, which in our era is not just cash, factories, mines, etc.--financial and industrial capital--but knowledge capital: intellectual property, knowledge of processes, creation and control of content, research and development, control of information streams (that is, maintaining information asymmetry) and so on.
Those with unlimited access to low-cost credit can buy up or control all productive capital, including the labor of knowledge-based workers.
When an economy is optimized for global corporations, the only possible result of this arrangement is a Plantation Economy.
Our economy is optimized for corporations: they have access to unlimited low-cost credit, their capital can be shifted around the globe at a moment's notice (i.e. it is mobile), they have the tax advantages of incorporation and complex tax codes, they can declare bankruptcy without any limitations and wipe out their debts, they can engage in fraud, corruption and embezzlement and face no consequence other than a modest fine, they can suppress competition and their size enables dominance of the labor market.
@ April 22, 2017 11:04 am
Our State-Corporate Plantation Economy
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-21/our-state-corporate-plantation-economy
The problem is not communism. The problem is the terror Chin Peng spread in the North. He waged a war that killed 11,000 people, mostly civilians. As for Singapore, we had the so called Chinese elites who used Nantah, the bus unions and even schoolchildren from Chinese High School and Dunman High School to cause civil unrest, riots and damage to property. Dr Poh Soo Kai and Ms Teo Soh Lung both mentioned of the larger plan for Singapore’s Marxists to merge with the North - presumably with who else but Terrorist Chief Chin Peng.
It amazes me how certain sections of these elites can see such terror supporting individuals like Chin Peng, Chin Siong, Soo Kai and the rest as heroes. Not to mention the present day likes of Soh Lung who still believes and worships the merged Malaysia/Singapore Socialis plan with then terrorist leader Chin Peng.
The Nantah graduates of the 1950s and 60s should have just minded their own business and not have allowed the Marxists to use them. Such a waste of resource. Nantah was a good institution serving the Chinese community till the Marxists gave them a bad name. Same as how today’s Marxists try to use the Church and blacken its name.
@ Fake News @ April 22, 2017 11:00 pm
Prove it in an open court of law.
You Bloody Nazi.
Who is the bloody Nazi? You support the marxists who support the idea of having Chin Peng who killed 11,000 innocents as their leader or me? There is no need to prove it in court of law. Poh Sook Kai and Teo Soh Lung openly admitted they wanted a merged Malaya/Singapore Socialist governance while Chin Peng, the communist terrorist was still a force to be reckoned with. What more evidence you want when those two gave you evidence right from the horse's mouth? Appalling that we still have pro-Marxists worshipping Chin Peng and his supporters.
Did Chin Peng really killed 11000 innocent civilians?? Or the Combined Security Forces and the British Imperialists killed 11000 of Chin Peng's men after helping them to fight the Japanese?
They can hookwinked and brainwashed the Dafts at time with the propaganda as they are the ruling governments. Chin Peng had no such means to propagate and rebutted these claims.
Maybe in the British Archives, they can further declassified the classified facts as what the actually happened.Malaysians is having the Pedra Blanca now declassified fact of counterclaming the island.
At that time, it is the power struggle between the Right and the Left. The Right been the English Educated and the Elites with the Left being the Chinese Educated and the working masses.
Even in the Right camp there were some are contemplating to join the Left but did not due to whatsover personal or selfish reasons only known to them.
At that time of poverty, chaos where survival is of up most importance, violence is very rampant and common.
At that time, most were at poverty level and the Chinese High School Students, the Hock Lee Bus workers and etc just wanted to have a level playing field. They was denied by the ruling government. So what alternative they have but to protests??
And the so called riots can be used by either party to blame each other. The influential always have their last say and puts blame on those who cannot rebutt or defend themselves.
This is not who is in the right or wrong as this is a Power Struggle between two groups who both wanted to rule and bring their own perceived ideas of goverance.
Even at the death beds of many of the Left wing leaders, many of the Rightists still paid their respects to them.
To them they are still their equals only difference in ideology.
Visualise if Singapore is been ruled by the Leftists, will it be the same Singapore of Today.
Or it be the Singapore of Today like China? ?
Will we be following the West so called globalisation mantra that brought chaos to their own people or be like China who is still their own homogenous people? ?
Most Chinese educated people have thoughts of society at large whereas the English Educated are more of been indivouism and self centred who when made good only became self centred.
Dear Virgo49.
Very well said.
There is no right or wrong in ideology.
lt id how good a system can be to serve the nation and the people together.
ls democracy good when the US killed millions in their interference, intervention and invasion in the Name of Democracy and Liberation???
When despot and rogue leaders fleece, enslave and exploit their citizenries in the Name of Freedom???
patriot
Can anyone states categorically that communist regimes fare inferiorly to other systems?
Read the Post of a Singaporean photographer who does 360° Videos and Films for his multiple and extensive travels in North Korea and the Reality he faced there.
From the Horse Mouth first hand.
/// You support the marxists who support the idea of having Chin Peng who killed 11,000 innocents as their leader or me? There is no need to prove it in court of law. ///
@ Kangaroo Court @ April 23, 2017 7:04 am
What's wrong with asking for a fair trial in an open court?
What are you so afraid of?
I support the idea of a fair trial in an open court to settle the question.
I don't support you or the alleged Marxists.
I support the rule of law.
/// Poh Sook Kai and Teo Soh Lung openly admitted they wanted a merged Malaya/Singapore Socialist governance while Chin Peng, the communist terrorist was still a force to be reckoned with. ////
@ Kangaroo Court @ April 23, 2017 7:04 am
Where in the law books is this a crime?
/// What more evidence you want when those two gave you evidence right from the horse's mouth? ///
@ Kangaroo Court @ April 23, 2017 7:04 am
This is for a court to decide.
Not you.
The Anon who pronounced Poh Soo Kai and Teo Soh Lung believes he/she is the Law
and or Law Minister.
Lol.....
Can he/she please
enlighten as to whether all communist regimes are criminals or rogue in nature ?
One Anon exclaimed that the Marxists had not made their moves what's to charge? ?
Well, well, well, if you have evidencefor terrorists plotting to kill, you wait for them to do the killings before you charged? ?
The British have the Section 55 to silence dissenters who go against them. Our leaders followed suit using the same methods.
This is the way of the Imperialist System which they called Democracies.
That's why the Malaysians do away with it.
Those who goes against their ways of lives of been nobles as tarred as been traitors and uprising against them.
So much for free democracies.
/// Well, well, well, if you have evidence for terrorists plotting to kill, you wait for them to do the killings before you charged? ? ///
April 23, 2017 1:09 pm
So go ahead and arrest them.
Then charge them in court for the offence.
If you are so sure of your legitimacy and evidence ... why so scared?
The question should be "What is right about being a communist and a communist political party?"
In name, essence and practice, the PEOPLE'S Action Party has been, and still is, a through and through, thorough-breed, true-blue COMMUNIST Political Party that has functioned so successfully that very few people are willing to even associate it with Communism.
Do you guys know why?
It is very sad that Nantah’s demise was due to the blindness of Nantahans themselves. If they had minded their own business, continuing doing what they were good at (ie educating the Chinese elite), in all probability Nanyang Uni today would be the bedrock of Chinese education in SE Asia. It would probably be the only Chinese mainstream tertiary education that commands world respect, that is outside China, HK and Taiwan. Singapore would be the proud custodian of that respected institution.
But the Nantah grads of the 1950s and 1960s, in spite of the brilliant minds, were too foolish and fell for the fake romantic idea of a Socialist merged Malaya and Singapore. The likes of Chin Siong, Fong Swee Suan, Chia Thye Poh, Tan Jing Quee, Poh Soo Kai led to Nantah’s demise. Filled with greed to usurp the riches of the Brit govt, they portray the average Chinese villager as oppressed. As if the Indians, Malays were not under the same Brit rule. That led to them using violence against the government and public.
While Chin Peng in the north used bombs and guns to terrorise the North. Chin Siong in the south created public unrest and public property damage to wear down the Sing govt, as well as to wear down civilian support for the Brits. The only reason why Chin Siong did not use guns and bombs was because he had none. If he had, for sure he would have done what Chin Peng did.
Let’s bury the dark past of these Marxists of the 1060s and 1980s. What’s this talk about the average Chinese were oppressed? As if Malays, Indians and others mattered not. Why the divisive talk? Today is 2017. Put the dark past of Marxism behind us. Nantah is buried and gone, we can’t revive it. And we shouldn’t too. After it was Nantah’s own undoing. They supported the Marxist Left instead of concentrating on education the Chinese populace, didn’t it?
@ Nazi @ April 23, 2017 7:17 pm & April 23, 2017 7:15 pm
Like I said.
Prove your allegations in an open court of law.
Who made you, judge, jury and executioner?
Oh sorry.
I forget.
Nazis don't bother about such niceties.
Truth Denier @ April 23, 2017 9:28 pm
Using your argument, Hitler was never tried in court when he was alive. So he is not guilty of massacre? Cool! I knew you are a Nazi in disguise, supporting terrorist Chin Peng.
Hitler was a ruler dictator when he ordered the torture and massacre of the Jews.
To liken Chin Peng to Hitler is to liken a kitten to a tiger.
lt certainly is far off from historical and political correctness.
Revolution is by nature invariably militant. This is a fact.
Political contest and power are either found through the ballot paper or bullet.
Which is used depends very much
on situation. Most nations have both as peaceful means are not always a given.
When a regime suppresses its citizenry with police and army, it should be considered militant too. No regime has the Right to use force and violence to quell peace protest and demonstration.
Stop saying "court of law" because court or no court, he was a terrorist.
April 23, 2017 10:53 pm
I wonder if Law Minister will agree with you that his Singapore courts got no use.
Many are just simply dafts to swallow baits, hooks ans lines just believing what others said and write. Even till today. And the most pitiful part is that they considered themselves as been informed and educated.
Been too literate that they read the propaganda of those who wrote of their glorying past of achievements to make you beholden and be slaves to them. And till today, still have to keep glorying themselves to kept these dafts into believing in them just to be in power.
A lie repeated a hundred times will become the Truth if no one rebutted them to expose them as a lie.
The Victors will Write the History nothing detrimental to their cause and their dark secrets.
The losers will simply have to swallow their propaganda and bring them to their graves.
The Victors will simply kept harping of the Evils of the other side with their self righteous paths while nobody will believe the other side of coin of the other party as they are been deemed to be losers in their cause.
Only those who had passed thru this period of history with both of them and not necessarily the intellectual ones will able to know the REAL happening of what really happened.
In any situation, there are usually two camps of supports and opposition to any cause. The stubborn and unthinking dafts will support the camp that they believed to be God wheras they are the Devils blindly.
Likewise, the Japanese who still whitewashed their history to their younger generation denying their atrocities against so many nation of people.
We had undergone that period of real happenings and thru our experience knew what's the real happening is about. We able to sieve who are the actual party who are genuinely have the hearts to serve and alleviate the dire situation of the people at that time.
A fox cannot hide its tail forever. It will show that it is a fox comes a time when it cannot hide it's tail anymore.
The truths are right now in front of the Dafts and yet they stubbornly still refused to ponder on the Truths and still been mesmerised by them.
Only those who are still benefiting on their side will still vouch and sing praises of them.
In any era in their midst, there are bound to have Patriots who are willing to suffer and sacrifice for their principles and Traitors who processed greed to gain worldly gains for themselves.
So, just have them to their final day of their lives of whether they are living in pains of guilts or go away easy knowing that they have led a life that they wanted to without any guilts.
Leave it to their Final days when they meet their Maker for Judgment.
A man can escape punishment from Man but his guilt cannot escape his Maker.
How many political leaders did not terrorise the people on the way to power and while in power? Comparing Chin Peng to Hitler revealed a very simple and naïve mind of a child trying to prove that the sun rises from the west by hook or by crook.
There is a very simple mind reasoning naively to justify the convictions of political dissenters and opposition politicians.
However, this person is polite
and has stamina
in the discourse.
ln a way very professional like
a hired hand.
Virgo, if there are any dafts, it is the believers of the fake news that Chin Peng and gang are heroes. These daft believers are the same ones who claim the archived historical facts that CPM was a terror group as fake dished out by Brit, Malaysia and Singapore govt propaganda. Yet they believe the lies of the current Marxists that Chin Peng was a hero. Really, can any fake Marxist believer cite what good, be it economically or politically, have CPM and other communist marxist contributed to SE Asia? The only thing they brought was violence, violence, violence!
To say the Chinese villagers were supportive of CPM to overthrow Brit is like saying the Syrian refugees support ISIS to overthrow Assad. CPM used the Chinese villagers as human shields! Marxists liars say that Brit ran away during WW2. But so did CPM! They hid in jungles and extorted food and money from the Chinese villagers, while they insulated themselves safely in the jungles away from the Japs. Cowards! Poor Chinese villagers. If they did not help CPM, Chin Peng and his men will see that their families are harmed. If these villagers do help CPM, the Japs will kill them.
Now tell me, fake story tellers who support Marxists, who was protecting who? CPM protecting Chinese villagers or Chinese villagers protecting CPM? CPM used Chinese villagers as human shields! The poor Chinese villagers were caught in between.
The same story goes when Japs left and Brits returned. CPM once again exiled themselves in the jungles and used Chinese villagers as their shields, runners and forced the villagers to feed them. Once again, if they don’t help CPM, CPM makes sure their families are harmed. If they do help, Brit govt comes down hard. Poor villagers again, being used by cowardly CPM.
Yes, not all Nantahans were foolish enough to support the Chinese communists and Marxists. But the vocal minority outmuscled the silent majority. Not only Nantah and bus unions were used. Even Chinese High and Dunman High were used. Shameless Marxists used schoolchildren! Imagine you, a poor and modest hawker at that time, sending your 13 year old son to Chinese High, hoping for him to get the best education in Singapore. Suddenly, we have Lim Chin Siong coming to his school to recruit rioters. If you don’t help Chin Siong, you fear your son will be harmed. If you help Chin Siong, you fear the police will deal harshly with your son.
Yeah, some help these Marxists leaders were giving to the Chinese community! That’s really the fake news!
Teo Soh Lung and the current Marxist supporters should just dump the past and carry on with life. Singapore has still much to offer. Stop living in the past, believing in the terror works of CPM or the violent nature of the Marxist Left propagated by Lim Chin Siong. Stop believing in the fake news the Marxists are giving you.
No not all Marxists are criminals. Who said so? Me? Where? Only those Marxists who kill and propagate violence are the criminals. Like Chin Peng, Chin Siong and the rest. Just because there are good Marxists does not mean that criminal Marxists must be worshiped.
Btw, how come you even ask that Q when answer is so obvious? Blinded by the fake news people like Teo Soh Lung dished out?
@ Anon 9:30 am.
Please read the Question again.
Carefully and thoroughly.
Do not just skimp over a short and simple question.
skim to replace
skimp
in above post.
@ Nazi who does not believe in "innocent till proven guilty" @ April 23, 2017 9:55 pm
This is a recent Singapore example of the necessity of "innocent till proven guilty"
...............
UOB said couple in Toa Payoh hawker centre video not its staff
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http://mothership.sg/2017/04/uob-said-couple-in-video-not-their-staff/
"Please read the Question again.
Carefully and thoroughly.
Do not just skimp over a short and simple question."
Please practise what you preach. Read ANSWER carefully and don't just ski(m)p over a short and simple answer. I have said not all Marxists are criminals. Only those who create violence. Not simple enough?
Truth denier April 24, 2017 10:09 am said.
"innocent till proven guilty"
Want me to use Hitler who was never proven guilty during his lifetime again?
Anon 9.13
You are decrying the Horrors of Chin Peng and his terrorists. Of how stupid Teo Soh Lung and her group are. Lim Chin Siong, for your info is also an ex-PAP Stalwart next to LKY. As equal to LKY and even LKY feared him for his brilliance and abilities.
That's why in their Power Struggle, has to defeat him by all means. You said we are been fed by the Fake news by Lim Chin Siong and his Marxists. Where were you at that time when Lim Chin Siong is still alive.
We are breathing the same air as him during this period.
Don't be foolishly believe what the other party said and wrote. They also can be their own propaganda.
Singapore now has much to offer?? Yes much to offer to those who are well off and align with the PAPies or what Malaysians called them PAPsters.
Have you read of Singaporeans in their thirties on Social Welfare and Comm Care???
Or you simply chose to close your blind eyes to these. Just like the PAP Stooges who always told me : Why don't you open your wallets and help them. The Government cannot take care of all. In their minds ran the evil thoughts that these are lazy good for nothing people who cannot make it and it's not our faults.
People like you said Singapore has much to offer because you are just fortunate now to be on top of the heap of well to do Papies or Papsters.
Not knowing when you gonna to hit rock bottom.
Anyway, think you are one of the Sobong Bodoh as Raja Petra Kammurin called them who wrote of those who writes in RB's blog like Making Love to Cows.
Not as sophisticated and articulate and educated as you.
/// Want me to use Hitler who was never proven guilty during his lifetime again? ///
April 24, 2017 10:12 am
1. Hitler was found guilty of treason trial (26 Feb 1924). Before he became dictator-ruler of Germany
https://blog.oup.com/2012/02/adolf-hitler-treason-trial-munich/
http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/trial.htm
(You have now been caught in a lie. Your grasp of the facts and reality should be questioned)
2. Hitler was the ruler of Nazi Germany.
3. Chin Peng was not a ruler of any country.
4. Hitler was never tried at Nuremberg after World War 2 because he was already dead.
https://www.ushmm.org/outreach/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007722
You forgot the most important point. Both Hitler and Chin Peng killed innocents indiscriminately in order to pursue some perverted idealistic nationalistic ideals.
" Hitler was found guilty of treason trial (26 Feb 1924). Before he became dictator-ruler of Germany"
So what? He was not charged for the indiscriminate killings of WW2, just like Chin Peng was not charged for the killings of the Malayan Emergency which claimed 11,000 lives.
@ Nazi @ April 24, 2017 10:35 am
You have lost all credibility here.
@ 9:30 am.
Please read properly.
Communist Regimes throughout history
and and around the World, all fought and killed to establish their nations.
None were born peacefully.
Do You still insist that that all Marxist and Communist Regimes in Soviet, China, Vietnam etc are criminals and or evil???
You believe that suppression and use of force to quell peaceful protest and demonstration by so-called democratic regimes are acceptable and legitimate to You?
Obviously You are fine with democratic rogue regimes using all means to destroy political dissenter and opponent as well?
Having discourse with You
is
like playing
music to cattle.
对牛彈琴,
毫无意义。
Even cows have the intelligence to listen to music which fake news dispenser Chin Peng and Chin Siong supporters don't have. LOL. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IypL_EcI9XE
Well said.
Spot on.
Anonymous said...
Question
All Marxist and Communist are criminals?
All of them fought and killed to establish their nations. Soviet, China, Vietnam, Cuba just to mention some prominent ones.
April 24, 2017 9:22 am
What about the Japanese under Emperor Hirohito?
What about George Bush and Tony Blair?
Did they also kill innocents? What about Obama and now Trump? Are they criminals?
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