3/12/2013
May Day at Hong Lim – A sequel to the Feb 26 White Paper Protest
Gilbert Goh is organizing a second protest on the Population White Paper on May Day at Hong Lim Park once again. The mission of this protest is similar but would include more issues like jobs for Singaporeans, CPF, minimum wage and others. He is targeting a 10,000 crowd this time. This second protest rally will allow those who have missed the first one not to miss it again.
Among the speakers that have been lined up so far are M Ravi and Braema Mathi from Maruah Singapore. He is working to get more civic societies to come on board.
This is looking to be a rally the disillusioned Singaporeans are looking for having missed out on the first one. The momentum and support from the earlier rally in February could make this a must attend rally for true blue Singaporeans. After having experienced the first mass rally, the organizers are likely to be better prepared for the crowd this time.
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Red Bean,
I will attend again and bring my some good friends along. Make it 10,000 so that we are not too one-sided again according to ESM Goh.
Huat Ah
limcy
I will be there and this time a few friends will join me
After world war 2, Japan and South Korea, were devastated by the war and were poor, need to rebuild their countries, they struggled to produce their own products, many people laugh at them, at first at their products, but slowly they kept improving and became advanced nations.
In the same time Singapore kept thinking of cheaper and cheaper foreigners and local workers and cheaper and cheaper foreign investments? With the cost kept rising?
Singaporeans must try their best to be counted this time. Our freedom fighters are doing their best for us, the people and it is only fair that we should walk the talk with them.
Let the Rulers know that they have hurt the people very badly and we cannot tahan(take it) much longer.
patriot
Great. I'll be in Singapore around that time.
Wah, CPF? My dear pet subject. My source of entertainment and joy. I want to attend to just hear all the stupid arguments deluded people are going to make about how the CPF is "their money".
That's worth at least 3 bottles of stout and 2 sessions at a "health center" ;-)
Hi Limcy and all, ok include Matilah also. If everyone is to bring a few friends, the number will simply multiply.
Matilah, please be kinder lah. No one is as intelligent and talented as you seem to be. We are all the average Sinkies and farmers. But we will feel better to have such an intelligent person like you around.
Funny they claimed to be best talents available, and highest pay in the world, yet their main strategy is keep importing more and more cheap foreign workers and immigrants to run the economy?
redbean:
Please lah. I have a hostile streak, and straight-shooting foul mouth. Better you learn to deal with me by first accepting me for who I am and we can get along. I guarantee I won't expect you, or anyone to change the way you are to make me feel "ok". I'm ok with people being themselves, of course the line is drawn at the point of physical violence, when people "lose their minds".
So don't expect me to change so you can feel "comfortable". That is the problem with Singaporeans: cannot handle hostility or someone who is confrontational -- only in speech, not in deed.
Free speech and free expression cannot co-exist with not being offensive, or offended or not being indifferent to peoples' feelings. I don't need others permission to be kind and complimentary, so therefore I require no such permission to be offensive and hostile. Speech is speech. You make up the meaning in your own mind. Don't blame me for your quirky consciousness. :-) I have my own to worry about :-))
Also, please lah. I'm also just an average guy with average intelligence. I attribute my "achievements" to luck, rather than my ability. I also have a thick skin, which is a definite plus. That was developed when I myself was a struggling and occasionally unwelcome immigrant to a new land. What you gonna do? Haters are gonna hate. I never give them the pleasure of upsetting my day. ;-)
Can you deal with it?
"I am often accused of interfering in the private lives of citizens. "Yes, if I did not, had I not done that, we wouldn't be here today. And I say without the slightest remorse, that we wouldn't be here, we would not have made economic progress, if we had not intervened on very personal matters - who your neighbour is, how you live, the noise you make, how you spit, or what language you use. We decide what is right. Never mind what the people think." - Lee Kuan Yew
Fight, fight, fight, fight...hahahahhah
So if I decide what is right and pour mercury into the singapore reservoirs so people drink and kenna poison? nevermind what people think? is he nuts or human? how can such a person even become a pm in the first place?
Last time I only stayed for 2 hours as I had to attend a dinner, this time I will stay throughout, rain or shine, to show my support.
/// how can such a person even become a pm in the first place? ///
Because Sinkies are daft.
GE 2016.
Will we still be daft?
Rear Arsehole Teo: What do you think?
STFORUM - Print edition
Ng Yan Ling (Ms)
"LABOUR chief Lim Swee Say is right
to reject renewed calls from MPs for a minimum wage system
('S'pore wage model better: Swee Say'; last Thursday).
Our forefathers built this nation on the belief
that Singapore can never become a welfare state,
because we cannot support it.
We do not have any natural resources;
people are our only resource.
So, offering assistance if one is willing to work
will be a better option than just handing out more money."
http://www.straitstimes.com/premium/forum-letters/story/cost-living-goes-all-20130313
STFORUM - Print edition
Patrick Liew Siow Gian
"I CONCUR with DPM Tharman Shanmugaratnam
that we should not implement a minimum wage
('It takes time before gains can be seen'; last Saturday).
Wages should be dictated by free market forces,
which are some of the most effective arbiters of productivity, competitiveness and sustainable results.
In short,
the current system can be enhanced to achieve the same positive outcomes
without the downsides of a minimum wage system."
http://www.straitstimes.com/premium/forum-letters/story/it-hurts-those-its-supposed-help-20130313
Hi Matilah, How many years have I known you? I think it is unquestionable that you are the nut that I know the longest here, more than 10 years, would you believe it?
KNN you poke at everyone sure people will poke at you and you cannot tahan is it?
I think everyone is very nice to you and reciprocating your kindness : )
To Ms Ng Yan Ling who says Singapore has no natural resources.
You are welcome to read my post.
http://cod-democracy.blogspot.sg/2012/09/singapore-is-resource-rich-country.html
Singapore is a very resource-rich country. Singapore may be resource-poor in resource quantity, but it is definitely resource-rich in resource value per capita.
Hi Nicole, that's an innovative way of looking at resource per capita.
For this May Day Rally, Gilbert should extend an invitation to the PAP, WP and a few other parties to have a rep to have a say. Good to here party views as well. Never mind if they decline the invite.
This Rally is about Singaporean and Singapore.
redbean, I have no problem with people poking me -- hostile or friendly. However, I've been on the net for...since the beginning...and have had to deal with people who are "not satisfied" attempting to "teach me a lesson" in the real offline world because I tekan them online.
Everytime they have been Singaporeans who are too emotional, and far too easily offended. In one case I had to actually go to the person's boss to inform him that one of his employees was being an physical threat offline. I told him I'd give him once chance to back off -- if he didn't then I'd take the matter to the cops and to my lawyers, and I'll make sure the name of his business came out in the newspaper.
A few months later, I ran into the culprit (now a high-flying Asia-Pac general manager for a Jap multinational) in Holland V, he bought me a beer and offered the olive branch.
Moral: what happens online, stays online.
@anon 701 & 707:
Be thankful for small mercies. The minimum wage will screw a lot of people -- all of them the least economically strong, by pricing them out of the market. It won't hurt the bigger businesses, which will simply close shop and move elsewhere.
The minimum wage indirectly causes MORE unemployment. Hard to believe, but true.
@Nicole Tan 1057
What you suggest might seem noble to you, but it impossible to "share the wealth equally". Without getting too much into detail, I'll just say that individuals are NOT EQUAL -- we all have different attributes, potentials, skills and characters. These are BIOLOGICAL TRAITS -- traits of physical nature expressed in human action in a physical universe.
Also it doesn't really matter if a territory is resource rich or poor. The fact is there are resources -- some places have more than others. What really matters is HOW those resources are managed and organised into producing life-sustaining wealth. Also, that produced wealth can be used to aquire other resources as needed.
There is no nation state which is 100% "self sufficient". Everyone depends on everyone else.
See I, Pencil
Problem with free market is that it is not free when you inject million from third world countries to compete with sinkies. Businesses come to singapore for various reason and they should make use of the local labor force. If the govt started to indiscriminate for foreign labor import then it's no longer a free market cause the labor supply elasticity has been artificially extended. So don't talk cock.
If not for the increase in number of opposition MP in Parliament, we would never be able to see some policy changes today. However, that is not good enough.
Invite the union member uncle and Ms Indra, who appeared on the Vasantham Talk show, to be guest speakers at this event.
@anon 407
You are entitled to believe any myths you so choose.
There is no such thing as a "local labour force" anymore.
Get with the brave new world, man. Borders don't matter anymore. Mutual signing of FTA's have taken care of that.
Whether you like it or not, we live in a globalised market economy -- complete with imperfections and lots of government and political interference. It is also run by awesome technology, which is increasing in complexity and efficiency faster than most people can adapt to the changes.
Seizing the advantage and getting the edge are the Chinese, Indians, Vietnamese, Filipinos et al all willing to leave their cuntrees to earn big. and they are trained, and driven...and sometimes, like all human beings, play UNFAIR.
Forget about "level playing field". There's no such thing.
China and India's middle/ working class are growing, rapidly. Upward mobility is noticeable. However in the more "developed" cuntrees, there are huge pressures on the middle class. In heavily debt-ridden cuntrees like Greece, Spain and the good 'ol US of A, the middle class is slowly being wiped out. 15% of Americans now receive food stamps. About 50% still receive some type of government "help".
The world's richest cuntry with the biggest economy is also the world's most indebted cuntree -- 16 trillion (and counting) in debt, and 70 trillion in unfunded liabilities. It also issues the global reserve currency, secured by debt.
It doesn't take a genius to extrapolate and say that the global economy -- thanks in a large part to toilet paper shit debt-based fiat currency -- is extremely shaky.
So get used to it. Adapt, find ways to prosper... Or die off like the dinosaurs ;-)
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