6/02/2019

The inherent biases of Asian thinking and perception of China and the USA

Hsien Loong has just given a speech at the Shangri-La Dialogue in Singapore. Below are some quotes in his speech that revealed the inherent biases of Asians in their thinking with respect to China and the USA after decades of western influence and colonisation of their minds from reading western literature and narratives. Practically every Asian leader is affected by this kind of thinking with very few exceptions. They are blind to the flaws and crimes of the American Empire but acquired an acute sensitivity that everything associated with China is bad and negative but did not know why. I will treat each paragraph individually to explain the thinking behind it. The speech is reported in CNA online.

'SINGAPORE: While the “fundamental problem” between the US and China is a mutual lack of strategic trust that bodes ill for compromise or peaceful accommodation, a face-off between the two countries is not a “strategic inevitability”, said Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong.'

What is the glaring point in this paragraph? The fundamental problem is a mutual lack of strategic trust?  China mistrusted the Americans for sure, from the hot and cold war between the two with China being labelled as the devil and evil country since it became the PRC.  But China was and is not the party that is putting up all the barriers and rhetoric of enmity between the two. It is the USA that is blocking China in everything, every field, every where. The Americans have been containing the Chinese, isolating it from the rest of the world, from the world economy until the rapproachment between Nixon and Mao and subsequently the joining of WTO.

Even then, till today, the Americans have been blocking China from participating in almost every thing related to high technology, in space, science and technology and military hardware. The Americans practically condemned China as their arch enemy. It is in their psyche since time immemorial. This is not the case from the perspective of China.  The Chinese called the USA the 'beautiful country' 美国, instead of some derogatory name. 

The lack of trust is heavily weighed on the side of the Americans. You can see how abusive and reckless the Americans are today in the South China Sea, in opposing BRI, AIIB, and now Huawei.  
But when Asian leaders talked about the two super powers, they always take the stand that both are equally to be blamed and the responsibility lies on China, the bad one.  The truth is that the Americans are the main cause of conflict and mistrust between the two super powers. Read this sentence below,

“In fact, the US has made clear its intention to compete robustly, though in a different mode than before.”

The Americans approach to compete is 'robust'? The Americans are warmongers, aggressive, provocative and belligerent all over the world, but described as 'robust' while China is always described as aggressive, belligerent, assertive and expansionist and wanting to eat up and conquer the world for building roads and rails and infrastructures and trade with the rest of the world. 

Can see the inherent biases? The Americans are starting wars, conducting wars and provoking wars in the South China Sea and East China Sea and a full blown trade war with China with thousands of military bases all over the world.

“Chinese leaders have spoken up strongly in support of globalisation and a rules-based international order,” he added.

“China must now convince other countries through its actions that it does not take a transactional and mercantilist approach, but rather an enlightened and inclusive view of its long-term interests.”

What have China been doing all the while? Starting wars, provoking wars, inciting wars, like the Americans so it needs to change to convince the world that it is a friendly power? What china is doing in rebuilding the world is not enlighten enough?


“China should resolve these disputes peacefully, in accordance with international law, including UNCLOS (United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea),” he said.

“It should do so through diplomacy and compromise rather than force or the threat of force, while giving weight to the core interests and rights of other countries.

“Then over time it will build its reputation as a responsible and benevolent power that need not be feared. Instead China will be respected as a power that can be relied on to support a stable and peaceful region.”

These are the things that China is doing, the BRI that is reconnecting the whole of Asia, Europe and Africa and even to the two Americas, for trade. But the evil Americans have been badmouthing China and called this an aggressive and expansionist plan by China to conquer the world. And some stupid Asian leaders believe in this shit. Fortunately not all are that stupid to believe the Americans. The more than 160 countries participating in the BRI is confirmation that China is doing the right thing.

And there is the AIIB to finance infrastructure projects for Asian and African countries, cheap loans with no string attached as opposed to those from the World Bank, IMF and ADB controlled by the Americans and the West and Japan. The results of China's contribution to the world is profound but mostly unreported in the West. Read this,

 'The world has also benefited from China’s development and success, Mr Lee said.

“China has become a massive production and manufacturing base, lowering costs for the world’s producers, first for labour-intensive goods, and now increasingly for high-tech and technology-intensive production,” he said.

“It is also a huge market, importing everything from commodities and electronic components to aircraft and fine wines.

“On the consumer side, billions of people worldwide buy all manner of products, from Barbie dolls and basketballs to drones and mobile phones, made in China, though often incorporating foreign components and technology.”

While China has done well at home by lifting more than 700m of its people out of poverty, it is also helping the rest of the world by lowering their cost of living, by producing cheap and reliable products to make their lives better, improve their lives with many consumables at prices they could afford, and the ease and convenience of road and rail connectivity.

And silly questions were asked with the same inherent biases by the audience. Here is one.
'After his speech, Mr Lee was asked about what he would say to Chinese leaders to increase the "comfort level" between China and other Asian countries.

Pointing to a television series shown in China which detailed how superpowers like the US and UK rose and fell, Mr Lee said "you must emerge peacefully and you must be able to do so in a way which wins acceptance from the global community".

"So, you may be the superpower but you have to have legitimacy, you have to have soft power; it’s not just force," he added.

Mr Lee said while China understands this in the "intellectual sense", it was very difficult to implement it practically. This is because countries would find it hard to put themselves in others' shoes and conclude differently about their own image, he added.'

"It’s very, very hard," Mr Lee stated. "For a big country, it’s even harder."

The Prime Minister said there’s something to be learnt from the US presence in Asia since the war, adding that the country has been welcomed and has "many friends" in the region.'

The question and reply said what? China is a bull in a china shop, a rogue, still did not know how to behave like the nice and peace loving Americans when they came to Asia! But they refused to recognise the fact that China has risen as a super power without firing a shot, without going to war, but peacefully. Yes. China has risen, peacefully.

Reflect on the situation when the Americans came, there was the evil and barbaric Japanese Imperial Army running amok in Asia, killing looting, plundering and seizing control of the countries. The Americans came at a time of despair and were seen as a savior. Further, those were times when many Asian countries were still non countries, non entity in a way, still colonies and then new countries that were hungry and need to rebuild their countries. They have no time to talk about challenging an imperial power but to rebuild their countries economically and as new nations.

The Americans came to restore a new peace and brought wealth and trade, allowing the rebuilding of countries in the region is a small way, nothing comparable to the Marshall Plan for Europe or the current BRI. The new countries made do with what they had and any little improvement is better than the days of wars and Japanese brutalities.  Don't forget Vietnam, it was colonisation all over again if the Vietnamese did not fight and die for their country, colonisation by the Americans. South Korea and Japan are still semi colonies of the USA but pretending to be independent nations. They are still prevented from joining the BRI by the Americans and now Huawei's 5G.

China's emergence as a super power came at a time of peace and with each nation state very conscious of their nationality and sovereignty. The only dispute in the region is the South China Sea that the Americans are stirring all the shit, forgetting and refusing to tell the true story and agreements after the defeat of the Japanese invaders. The islands were returned to China by the victorious power over Japan.

Today, the problem is that the neigbouring countries are making claims and seizing these islands belonging to China with the encouragement of the Americans, to stir divisiveness, divide and rule. The greedy little countries around the South China Sea took the American bait and got more aggressive in their claims on Chinese islands with the Americans pointing the finger at China as the aggressor when the reality is the reverse.

The Americans would continue to paint China as an evil and expansionist power trying to conquer the world and the South East Asian countries in particular, and the silly Asian leaders cannot think further than this lie. To them, China is the big bad wolf and the Americans are the white knights to save them from the big bad wolf. The real wolf is in sheep's clothing that they could not see and also refuse to see and would love to sleep in the same bed.

Why must China convince the Asian countries when it is helping them in trade and infrastructure development? The only thing bad about China is because the Americans said so, white lies. When would Asian leaders see through the layers of American deceit and find their own truth? If they are unable to do so, they would constantly live their lives believing in American white lies. They would formulate policies the Americans wanted them to and regard China as the enemy when the real enemy is behind them urging them to go against China, and be an enemy of China.

 China is trouble, Americans are the good guys despite the millions they killed and wounded in all the unceasing wars they started and engaged in Asia and the rest of the world.

 Below is the latest from the American Secretary of War, Shanahan.

“[Some] actors undermine the system by using indirect, incremental actions and rhetorical devices to exploit others economically and diplomatically, and coerce them militarily. They destabilise the region, seeking to reorder its vibrant and diverse communities toward their exclusive advantage,”

Silly Asians and Asian leaders would read this as referring to China but not the Americans that are doing exactly these in a 'robust' way, sanctions, threats of war, regime change, coercion, conspiracies, bullying, provocations and false flag incidents etc etc.

35 comments:

  1. The Americans need a bogeyman to sustain their military industrial complex. America's power comes from it's Petrodollar hegemony, backed by it's powerful military machine and it's almost a thousand military bases around the world, that threatens every country that do not accept their dominance.

    Before China came into the picture, the USSR was the bogeyman. The US made use of NATO to provoke the USSR so that they could sell weapons to NATO countries. Pushing for NATO countries to foot more of the defence bill means NATO countries need to give more business to the American Military Industrial Complex. Who else can they buy their weapons but from the US.

    The US now made China into the bogeyman today, so that they could sell weapons to those countries surrounding the Asia Pacific region. This has been made much more clearer what their objective is, from the speech by their Acting Defence Secretary of Defence when he called for more defence spending by those countries surrounding China.

    However, it is obvious that more military spending means more business for the American Military Industrial Complex. When the Philippines bought weapons from Russia and China, they threatened the Philippines. When India bought weapons from Russia, the US also threatened them. So, when they said countries around the Asia Pacific must spend more on defence, you know what he means.

    In the Middle East, Iran is now the bogeyman and the same scenario is being played out. Sales of weapons to the Arabs and Israel now knows no bounds. When and if Iran does fall, Turkey will be next.

    Japan just agreed to buy 100 F5's from the US. That certainly does not surprise us does it? The way Abe fawned on Trump tells us that his arms were twisted and mangled by the evil one. Not by Trumps 'Art of the Deal' certainly. That mastery of making deals would not have led to bankruptcy six times. The bankruptcy of the US would be his seventh time, an all time record. Now would Trump ever going to brag about this bankruptcy record, as he likes to brag about the best in everything happening in American since he took office.

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  2. The bias of Asian banana-skinned politicians and Indian-origin ex-diplomats against China is usual and expected.

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  3. China Is rethinking it's military spending strategically, not following the Russians during the cold war by competing with the US. China would probably not be projecting itself globally by building more aircraft carriers, knowing that nowadays aircraft carriers are vulnerable to just one hypersonic missile attack. Moreover, there is also the whole flotilla of support ships necessary to cater to the needs of the aircraft carrier against enemy submarines etc. A really cost sapping adventure that already bankrupts the US.

    Submarines would be a much safer bet, carrying nuclear missiles and hiding under the waters undetected. They could use their nuclear missiles for any retaliation from outside China even if all missile launchers inside China have been taken out.

    Anyway, if WW3 breaks out, Japan must be taken out first and foremost. This is a dangerous adversary that always comes from behind even if they bow to you in front. The Americans already tasted their untrustworthiness during WW2.

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  4. Don't have to waste any breath or lost any sleep over what the small fries' mental biaises. China and Chinese leaders and people know exactly what they are doing and intended doing. President Xi Jinping is no silver-spoon scholar. He has really gone through hardship and sufferings with his people. He cannot be easily fooled by people born with silver spoons and sit on golden chairs in ivory towers.

    Before China's rise, many political science experts said: Don't wake up The Dragon. For when it awakes, the whole world will be shakened. Now the Dragon has arisen. It feels hungry. It needs food. A lot of foods. Energy-producing foods. It needs to grow and become strong. It needs bigger space to roam around and exercise its sinews. The world feels it.

    Now, the US is feeling threatened by the rise of China and therefore it's leaders are going all out to not only contain China but to block, obstruct, stifle, challenge and destroy China economically through the Trade War, failing which a military aggression (invasion) may be launched.

    China must be prepared as fast as possible for a full blown total war with the US. Peaceful rise is not the option. China has no choice. The only choice is war, which has been forced upon her by the Doctrine of Perpetual War of the Evil US Empire!

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  5. Who is the aggressive party? China boosting its defence to prevent or deal with a possible invasion of its territories, or the US travelling thousands of miles from its own shores with its flotilla of destroyers and mighty aircraft carriers?

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  6. ...the Americans that are doing exactly these in a 'robust' way, sanctions, threats of war, regime change, coercion, conspiracies, bullying, provocations and false flag incidents etc etc.
    RB

    Aiyo RB, the Americans are doing exactly these in a 'robust' way in order to protect and advance American interest mah.

    Just like PAP are doing in a 'robust' way to tekan jialat jialat the Sinkie opposition (and since LKY time u know) in order to protect and advance PAP interest mah.

    So why the fuss only about the American 'robust' way? Anybody, if need be, will also do their 'robust' way in order to protect their interest or even survival.

    Hope u r clear now.

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  7. On the first sign of an impending war with the US, China must destroy Japan completely with at least 20 nuclear bombs, not two.

    The other targets are US military bases in South Korea, Okinawa, Guam, Hawaii, Australia, Diego Garcia, the Philippines and Singapore.

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  8. ...the Americans that are doing exactly these in a 'robust' way, sanctions, threats of war, regime change, coercion, conspiracies, bullying, provocations and false flag incidents etc etc.
    RB

    That is the American "robust" way. And the Americans are smart for having their "robust" way.

    But why the Sinkie opposition do not have their "robust" way in order to protect and advance their interest?

    Why every time lose one, eg like Chee Soon Juan who lost for more than 20 years?

    Stupid or what? No wonder majority Sinkies didn't vote for them, and for Chee Soon Juan, not even in by election some more.

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  9. ...the Americans that are doing exactly these in a 'robust' way, sanctions, threats of war, regime change, coercion, conspiracies, bullying, provocations and false flag incidents etc etc.
    RB

    I hope China will also be smart to have their own 'robust' way in order to protect their interest.

    I believe China will, but whether they can win against America or not is another matter. Whereas for PAP, they sure win one, I mean in Sinkieland lah, with their 'robust' way.

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  10. Anon 10.26

    This story I heard so many times olady. Say something new one lah!

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  11. China must be prepared as fast as possible for a full blown total war with the US.
    10:09 am

    Please lah, China, just like smart Sinkies, want to have $$, and also want to survive under whatever condition.

    A full blown total war will make everyone die, and this America also knows, so u think China and America want that?

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  12. This story I heard so many times olady. Say something new one lah!
    10:39 am

    This story not for u lah.

    This story is worth repeating for those daft Sinkies (including the Sinkie opposition) who may still not get it or have not read it.

    And for Chee Soon Juan, if he gets it, he should announce he will quit and better let someone else take over. Although SDP may still lose but at least better for his reputation.

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  13. Maybe when everyone dies, the US untenable and unsolvable debt and derivatives issue will be solved or, should I say, becomes unnecessary to be solved. The only way out!

    Or maybe, while everyone dies, the perpetrators will crawl into their mountain hole to avoid the holocaust, hoping to crawl out to inherit what is left over.

    Or have they secretly built their colonies on other planets yet?

    Just thinking!

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  14. The 60-year-old ant preaching to the 240-year-old and 5,000-year-old elephants. Laugh die people! 笑死人!

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  15. Is it fake news that Huawei is now back in business, after being reinstated into some tech bodies, including Google, that outlawed it a week ago? Temporarily maybe?

    China's drawing up it's list of unreliable business entities must been pretty useful and effective. But China cannot take all this happenings too lightly. What will happen if another crisis erupt and they want to ban the use of the internet. Russia has it's own internet, independent of the US. Will China create it's own and not succumb to US blackmailing again?


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  16. Is it fake news that Huawei is now back in business, after being reinstated into some tech bodies, including Google, that outlawed it a week ago? Temporarily maybe?
    12:01 pm

    It's like a chess game, with moves and counter moves by either side.

    But there will be no checkmate. Just a matter of give and take.

    Whereas for the Sinkie opposition, it will really be checkmate when they lose big every election because winner PAP takes all.

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  17. 'SINGAPORE: While the “fundamental problem” between the US and China is a mutual lack of strategic trust that bodes ill for compromise or peaceful accommodation, a face-off between the two countries is not a “strategic inevitability”, said Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong.'

    Whatever its merits, this statement is made by a somebody who knows how to lead a political party to win big every election. Hence for this alone, it must be respected.

    RB, I hope u also agree with me on this, much as u may disagree with or even hate this somebody called Lee Hsien Loong, whom Sinkies had a hard time to replace with someone from the Sinkie opposition.

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  18. @老蔡 aka Chua Chin Leng aka redbean June 02, 2019 8:55 am
    /////Back home, Singapore (a Chinese predominant state) is ironically girating towards India for safety, security and economic growth. This is in addition, to Singapore's permanent love-affair with everything White - from white uniform to white-wash, from white lies to Whitemen.

    Visionary leadership has brought Singapore where it was 20 years ago - from Third World To First. Will another visionary leadership bring Singapore from First World To Third? by Anon 3:06am.

    I fully agree that Singapore is very far sighted and always planning for the future. Their premises must be India being the world's number one super power in 100 years time. So better prepare for it today.

    India is the way to go, that is why you see more than a million of them are here today with many in high places, especially in the universities heading many departments and faculties. India is the future Singapore is banging on.///



    树外小鸟四五只
    正是老鹰飊下时
    冬江水冻蔡先知
    骷髅满地爪牙长

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  19. 10.39am anon, or to make it clearer for you, u need to be sodomized lar

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  20. The answer to the above:

    One man's meat is another's poison. So, seeking approval from RB for your own opinion and assumption is like a fearful and unsure child seeking approval from its parents.

    Time to grow up. Make your comment only after you are convinced of your own point and stand by it on its own merit. There is no need to seek approval from anyone.

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  21. London Mayor Sadiq Khan, whose parents came from Pakistan, slammed the UK government’s “hostile” immigration policies and called for “preferential treatment” for Indian businesses & students.

    Read more at https://www.rt.com/uk/459708-sadiq-khan-indian-preferential/

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  22. There is no need to seek approval from anyone.
    2:15 pm

    U know what is agreement and what is approval or not?

    If u dunno, go back and learn English lah.

    U anyhow TCSS here shows your stupidity, even as anon.


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  23. Redbean
    We pay millions of tax-payer dollars in salaries every year to get this type of "mental masturbation".

    You should not criticize how Singaporeans choose to throw away our money.

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  24. @All,

    Thucydides Trap --- conflicts between established power & rising power IS strategic inevitability.

    THAT'S WHY TOLD ALL YOU MOTHERFUCKERS TO INVEST IN WAR STOCKS 3 YEARS AGO!!!!

    Even if no all out war will still have Trillions being spent on war toys & war acting.

    In Sinkieland, this was played out between PAPies (established power) and WP (rising power) after GE2011. PAPies have recouped from 2011-2017 & basically mostly killed WP's growing influence on many political battlefields.

    You gotta hand it to the PAPies. They used Billions of taxpayer monies to kill off WP's influence and slap down other minor Oppo wannabees. Even slap down rebellion within the Leenasty clan.

    Where all those Pioneer & Merdeka generation packages come from, all those increase in angbao payouts, increased GST rebates, increased electricity rebates, easier acceptance of welfare/medical applications come from?!?!?! LOL!!!!

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  25. Actually in 1 word to Summarize this Shangri La meeting in Sinkieland, the word is "Co-operation" or another term "work-together". Both USA and China need to show the world that they can cooperate & work together towards a peaceful harmonious prosperous relationship. When both treat each other as enemies then conflicts results. When both see each other good qualities then they will be peace. Juz hope that these 2 superpowerfuls nations can work together for the benefits of human kinds, it's a test, hopefully they will find a way out for a peaceful n cordial relationship.

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  26. The world is split into 3 - blue, red and purple. Uncle Sam needs to destabilize others so that he has something to sell. Otherwise, who wanna buy guns, tanks, jets etc? China can just ignore him and he will go away and 以德服人 to win this game. There are so many people who want peace rather than wars.

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  27. Singapore Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong's popularity is rising in China after he said preventing China from growing is neither possible nor wise during his keynote speech at the Shangri-La Dialogue.

    New international rules need to be made in many areas, Lee also said. "China will expect a say in this process, because it sees the present rules as having been created in the past without its participation. This is a reasonable expectation."

    Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad's popularity also shot up in China after he said his country will use Huawei technology "as much as possible."

    Ironically, both Singapore and Malaysia are now added to the US watchlist of countries for currency manipulation.

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  28. The Americans are so desperate that they are even attacking their allies, threatening them to buy more American weapons at the Shangri La Dialogue. They are talking about wars when China is talking about cooperation.

    The Americans need perpetual wars to sell weapons. They have nothing to sell other than Boeing and iphones and yes, soya beans.

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  29. Redbean: "The Americans are starting wars, conducting wars and provoking wars in the South China Sea and East China Sea "



    战船舰艇秀肌肉,擦枪难保不走火,
    百万雄师败穷寇,虎踞龙盘慨而慷,
    不可沽名学夫差,宜将剩勇灭洋鬼,
    猪手强捏妇女阴,鬼哭狼譹鳩啼鸣。

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  30. Anon 9:58pm, your command of the Chinese language is very good indeed.

    I wish I can write like you.

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  31. @ Chua Chin Leng aka redbeanJune 03, 2019 8:57 am: "Anon 9:58pm, your command of the Chinese language is very good indeed"


    Ha ha (That is quite flattering. It was through a serendipitous encounter some time back that chanced upon your blog. Found your blog topics quite wide including issues 祖国 faces. Hence, reckoned that contributing some comments in Chinese could have the effect of 锦上添花 in MSN. Hope so far you (and your readers) are positively open to and welcome comments in our MT (mother tongue). Among some JC ex-classmates especially those from very atas Ang Moh centric high schools, often they will scream "pain pain pain" whenever our MT language is used in conversation or wa messages. Dunno whether there is such issue among MSN readers?)

    On the command of the Chinese language, compared to 祖国 Chinese standard, unfortunately it is still a far cry.

    The education system here typically only allows the MT (mother tongue) language to be taken till about 16 or 17 years old unless students convert/ take one of their content subjects into a Chinese Studies subject in the Chinese language which many students might not be inclined to.

    Personally do not like drinking, smoking, going to casino or in the accompany of mei mei. Turned to writing in Chinese as a form of leisure. Believe that there is much room for improvement.

    On a side note, would not mind to provide freelance pro bono service in translation or even writing (if there is a demand for it and time allows. As French economist Jean-Baptiste Say stated in his Say's Law: "Supply creates its own demand". Dunno whether it applies in this case? ).

    Back to the comment in the MT, the last two lines "猪手强捏妇女阴,鬼哭狼譹鳩啼鸣。" hope to serve as a reminder for 祖国 to 以史为鉴 and they must be careful not to let history such as the "Rape of Nanking " repeats itself again on the soil of 伟大的祖国。They would need to extinguish any threat that comes to its doorsteps and infringes her sovereignty. Literally "猪手强捏妇女阴" means "The pig hands of the pussies grabber violently violating the chastity of women folks". During the "Rape of Nanking " in 1937, countless innocent and defenceless Chinese women folks were violated, raped, murdered. This MUST NOT be allowed to happen, ever.


    Cheers

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  32. Re: Anon 9:58pm, 11:22

    A million thanks for translating the Chinese message into English for the immense benefits of the English educated netizens. I for one is really very grateful to you for doing so. Please kindly continue to translate all Chinese articles or messages in this blog into English though we know it will take away much of your precious time. Your contribution is greatly appreciated.

    Southernglory1

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  33. The transformation in China would not be stopped. And history is on China's side. All empires must come to an end and a new country or civilisation will ascend, not necessarily an empire but a new beacon for humankind.

    Agree with Southglory, while you post some Chinese phrases, not all can comprehend and a translation is good. I can only grasp some but not the full text in Chinese.

    Suggestion, keep it in small amount. It is an educational process for those who want to learn without being too stressful and overwhelmed.

    Thanks.

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  34. Expect a lot of fireworks now till G 20 end of the month.

    A state owned media in Beijing used 6 Chinese characters used previously ONLY when China went to war.

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  35. @ Southernglory1, Anonymous June 03, 2019 11:54 am: "Re: Anon 9:58pm, 11:22
    A million thanks for translating the Chinese message into English for the immense benefits of the English educated netizens. I for one is really very grateful to you for doing so. Please kindly continue to translate all Chinese articles or messages in this blog into English though we know it will take away much of your precious time. Your contribution is greatly appreciated.

    Southernglory1"


    @ Chua Chin Leng aka redbeanJune 03, 2019 12:00 pm: "Agree with Southglory, while you post some Chinese phrases, not all can comprehend and a translation is good. I can only grasp some but not the full text in Chinese.

    Suggestion, keep it in small amount. It is an educational process for those who want to learn without being too stressful and overwhelmed.

    Thanks."



    Uncle Redbean and Southernglory1,

    Np. 👍😊

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