And here is
the good outcome from the pronouncement by the Court. I would not call it a
legal and enforceable judgment. It is not and it will not be legal but a
political statement from an institution that has lost its credibility as an
independent and impartial world body. The good outcome will come about when
countries with vested interests start to make their stand public to reveal
their private agenda. China would
then know who are friends and who are foes.
There will be no need to hide behind a mask anymore.
There will
be a new alignment of forces for control of the South
China Sea , politically and militarily. The risk of war is real and
eminent as the main protagonist will have the countries in the region fighting
among themselves, leaving the main protagonists safe and sound from afar. The
announcement by the Court would also make China ’s choices and options easier.
To borrow a phrase from George Bush Jr, it is either with me or against me.
There is no need for pretences and speaking in fork tongues. Asean countries will take their chosen places
on both sides of the divide.
A new and
dangerous chapter in the story of the South China Sea
is about to be written. The way forward is military confrontation with the
hegemon and its allies upping the stakes in a winner take all gambit. China ’s appeasement policies to
avoid war are not working. War is coming to China and the earlier China makes up
its mind the better. It is a critical moment in history when China would
have to call on all its friends and allies to act together to face the combined
forces of the hegemon and its allies.
The only
hope for avoiding a nasty confrontation is for the new President of the Philippines to
break ranks and to start negotiation with China , to seek for a peaceful and
mutually beneficial solution for both countries. Such a decision by the Philippines
would be the only way to scuttle the aggressive intent of the hegemon, to give
it no reason and justification to push for a nasty and explosive solution in
open warfare in the South China Sea .
Would there
be wisdom within the Asean ranks, especially those that have no conflicting
claims in the South China Sea , to call out and
walk away from the battle field drawn up by the hegemon? Or would they be
dragged by the less enlightened Asean states into a war that has nothing to do
with them and nor to their national interests?
OMG, Hague Tribunal is actually a kangaroo court, a bias judgment passed ignoring China historical facts using the UN 1982 Law of Sea to overight & claim it. In Chinese saying its called " 指鹿为马" or calling a deer a horse. Hague decision lay a foundation for any countries to claim over another countries by making is UN 1982 law of sea look legitimate. Predicts that there may be unrest or war outbreak as China will not let it to rest. China leader Xi already said " 不信邪,也不怕邪.."..if Pinoy & Uncle Sam wan to claim these islets, the consequences will be war & unrest in the region..
ReplyDeleteIt does not matter what court it is.
ReplyDeleteThe point is International court already makes judgement. All existing and future reclaim and fishing is illegal for China in the spratly islands.
Now China kana cornered itself as there is no more ways other than military options or give MORE money to pacify the neighbors who will always use this piece of paper as ransom. US is there to support the neighbors as and when there is meat and what serves US interest which at the end of the day is money.
So far China choose to talk talk talk only. Very loud but useless. Same like yesterday Channel news asia who interview a foreign and china commentator. The Chinese commentator (victor gao) talk talk and talk until CNA cut him off.
Should rename this blog MY CHINA NEWS.
ReplyDeleteIt is a kangaroo court alright. Now anyone can set up a kangaroo and rule against any country and grab their land and say it is legal.
ReplyDeleteVery soon Mat land will file a claim on Hague Kangaroo court saying that SinkieLand belong to them. This will become true when many PR of Matland infiltrated Sinkieland many years down the route..in n years time Sinkieland will be "gone" ..Even Japs or China can claim SinkieLand too x years down the road...waa..UNCLOS really power la but dah jalan it got no army Leh ( mayb use uncle Sam one, but uncle Sam bz with race issue now)..
ReplyDeleteNobody is grabbing anybody's land.
ReplyDeleteThe court just say 9 dash line got no legal basis and Taiping island is a rock as such everything else which is not a island will belong to respective countries EEZ if it falls within 200KM.
Pinoy is going to get very rich from getting JV license. And then convert this money either to corruption or purchase more arms and convert into a rich maritime nation. Anyway, pinoy will catch up.
Next step is for Pinoy to clearly define which rock or reef or island falls specifically to their 200KM EEZ.
If you look at the whole map, it makes more sense now. Last time, jaw drop upon seeing the 9 dash line which is touching even Natuna. I think Indonesia also faint. Too greedy lah....
If you look at the definition, ever wonder why Sinkie is a island and not a rock or reef.
ReplyDeleteMaybe last time, i sleep in geography class and pay no attention. Actually got a lot of specifications one, of course human being are the one who write this or made judgement one.
I am also amazed why Taiping island is a rock?
There is something strange..in the neighbourhood...who u gonna call?..Hague-Tribunal Busters...I not afraid of Hague u know...
ReplyDelete@ Anon 1117am
ReplyDeleteIt should be Pro China CCP news.
Nothing here reported on China defective trains, China flood or typhoon that hit fujian.
No different from our own PAP news.
Some china man suggested China set up its own court.
ReplyDeleteThe point is who will send their cases to china? Laugh until drop....
@ If you look at the whole map, it makes more sense now. Last time, jaw drop upon seeing the 9 dash line which is touching even Natuna. I think Indonesia also faint. Too greedy lah....
ReplyDeleteI second, i wouldnt say greedy but exaggerate or over.
So everybody can freely go there and fish ? As long as not within 200KM of whichever country ?
Those who know chinese can read .
ReplyDeletePretty interesting.
http://mp.weixin.qq.com/s?__biz=MjM5NjY4MzExOQ==&mid=2652975756&idx=1&sn=aef6beed43352a3efa4c39a39b375a00&scene=2&srcid=07124jFfyRcETNPvlkqQmtx6&from=timeline&isappinstalled=0#wechat_redirect
By right it doesnt matter if maybe you have few boats go there everyday. The respective country navy or coast guard can wayang like showcase some sample as warning. Pay some money to release boat/people and educate them on what suppose or not to do. Life goes on and respective and it is also demonstration to respective local people that their countries can protect their own interest.
ReplyDeleteLike what China say, traditional fishing grounds. Make sense but that is few centuries ago.
But when you have a whole fleet and armanda of fishing boats like locust. It is a whole different scenario.
I think even the fishes and sharks are scarred of chinese fishing fleet.
China made the stand on Hague tribunal judgment on 12 July. China has Pakistan openly express Ocean laws exclude sovereignty and support China. Cambodia express it is a political manipulation. Poland Russia India also support China.
ReplyDeleteNow waiting for US Carriers to shoot chinese to claim back the islands. Carter said disobeying international "court" was not allowable.
Can anyone recall US alleged Iraq has weapon of mass destruction? The US secretary broadcasted a radio intercepted conversation of Iraq military saying "hurry hurry". US rep said to UN, it meant the soldiers were burying WMD.
BBC broadcasted it live worldwild. Then the reporter commented that kind of allegation was unbelievable.
it turned out the reporter s comment was absolutely right.
This Hague tribunal is equally illegal similar to Iraq invasion scheming. I would expect US Carriers to invade those islands occupied by Chinese. Why are they not doing it now?
@ Anon 12:01 pm
ReplyDeleteThis guy should be a retired guy working in govt sector. He should be getting his pension now daily. Can trace one by profession and age band.
However what he says is something what China people or leaders would want to hear.
China People only want to know now that China is the most strongest people on earth and all people have to listen to their biddings.
Is he a traitor? i dont think so. He is high lighting the reality.
So i think what we can do is not to overly expose these people to more public scrutiny, my thoughts
You trust Ah ney?
ReplyDeleteNEW DELHI: India on Tuesdsy asked all parties involved in the South China Sea row to resolve the dispute through peaceful means without threat or use of force and "show utmost respect" to the verdict by a UN-backed tribunal.
India's reaction came after the tribunal ruled that China has no legal basis to claim "historic rights" to islands in South China Sea.
"India supports freedom of navigation and over flight, and unimpeded commerce, based on the principles of international law, as reflected notably in the UNCLOS (United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea).
Hahahha.... you never work with Ah ney before for sure. What do they mean when they shake their head?
US destroyed Iraq, and UK told the story behind the war.
ReplyDeleteUS few Carriers want to destroy China PLA, come to think of the size in Iraq invasion, US is still need to add the balance 7 Carriers under repair now.
The China retired senior official said it correctly, get 10 Carriers. Should be a good advise. But to invade this kind of flat island is very simple. There is no hills, so just charge the marines up, the PLA on island will be out number and run or surrender.
What are US waiting for? Dont keep talking. China has already told them, no deal, not 1 inch pinoy can take away, and China will want back those islands taken away from China.
So US must help pinoys once for all. Dont keep talking, threatening and no actions. All know, taking the islands is very simple. Ask pinoy to do it, while US jets bomb the PLA. That will win in 1 hour. If not 10 hours.
@ July 13, 2016 12:45 pm
ReplyDeleteThe article nothing pro china but more of the truth or screw ups China self made.
At the end of the day , it's an article to save face for the chinese government probably not going any action except protest.
Sorry to disappoint again, There will be no fireworks.
ReplyDeleteNothing here reported on China defective trains, China flood or typhoon that hit fujian.
No different from our own PAP news.
July 13, 2016 11:42 am
Ya, nothing about your mother's affairs oso. Want RB to write about them? I ask him, want or not?
@ 1:15pm
ReplyDeleteExactly. But the chinese people dont want to hear this. What they want to hear is articles like RB to justify 9 dash line is theirs and military will take it back no matter what at full price.
It is treason charge in china to write any "truth" to say govt action is wrong or any mistakes its leader has made. All decisions made by CCP must be CORRECT.
As mentioned this guy is probably under pension so i mean if can spare him lah. I know the matter is not in our hands but do so. Who knows he is a mole.
You see for past few years, China media or govt has made a lot of pro china news and fanning patriotism like RB articles and now how to brake?
ReplyDelete@ Anon 1:21pm
Go ahead and write. Learn from China lesson. In the end, who is the blog owner and who gets hurt?
UN official July 13 issued a statement , said the International Court of Justice is the principal judicial organ of the United Nations , according to the " UN Charter " established peace palace in The Hague .
ReplyDeleteThe building was built by the Carnegie Foundation as a nonprofit organization formerly known as the Permanent International Court of Justice International Court of Justice .
The United Nations would like to POINT OUT the use of the building is from Carnegie Foundation annual contribution.
Another tenant is the Permanent Court of Arbitration established in 1899 , but the United Nations does not have any relationship.
Conclusion:
1. China said the tribunal judges 5 of them were NOT paid by UN. Someone and may pinoys also contribute. It seems that the salaries are paid by US Carnegie.SO the Tribunal was paid by US.
2. The tribunal is NOT an UN establishment.
It is not the international court.
Rb, The tribunal only repeat/parrot Philippine propaganda. ( same kind of narrative)
ReplyDeleteyou should check Philippine argument against China.
How do Tribunal able to make their decision if China did not submit any legal argument for them to ponder upon? Nobody is defending China claims against Philippine.
The tribunal could conclude that there are no legal evidence that china had exercise historic right over the water.
LOL
What difference will it make?
ReplyDeleteWill China participate the ICJ if it is ICJ?
If such arguments were made 2/3 years ago, then there will be no opportunity at all for yesterday ruling.
Almost the whole world responded now must respect UNCLOS and to resolve disputes peacefully. ie. the one who use force will be further condemned.
Now how? cry father cry mother, got use meh?
If decided not to participate initially, just muddled through liao since one leg in mud alreadi.
Australia ,USA ,Canada, Singapore and many European govt dont take order /have legal obligation to follow the ruling made by Third party judicial institution.
ReplyDeleteWhy should China govt follow the ruling made by Third party judicial institution?
For instance, if someone had won an award from Third party court (foreign court)
If they want to enforce their award in USA, they need to file their claim with USA court and ask the USA court to recognise the legitimacy or legality of the ruling made by foreign court,
If USA court refuse to recognise those award, USA govt dont have obligation to enforce it.
Western media are silent on such legal issues.
This judgement is just adding fuel to the fire, which is the intended purpose of the US and its allies. The instigators will use every means to stoke the flames so that they can continue to be the controlling force, behind the scene, in the South China Sea. The poodles will of course hide under the skirt of their master and bark as loud as they could.
ReplyDeleteOf all the places, they go to the tribunal in 'hades' to seek judgement. Hell is going to break loose
ReplyDeleteThose people know nothing about chinese history and thus they are not qualified to judge on this issue. This is asking people who do not eat durians to judge the taste of durians. What a stupid drama presented to a bunch of sheepies.
ReplyDeleteThere readers still confused. The Philippine used the Arbitration and not the Court of Justice.
ReplyDeleteCourt of Justice has a tenant is call Arbitration. Both in same building.
Court of Justice has judges paid by UN.
Arbitration is a private set up and is not related to UN.
China ignores the Arbitration judgment because the judges are appointed by japanese related to Abe and worked as US ambassador. Salaries are paid by ang mor and not UN.
UN Court of Justice may not deal with this kind of case with one side alleging something. It is a sham. The show was Not even qualified as arbitration tribunal.
This ruling is to make China look bad internationally with no regards for international law or any law. Anybody who deals too much or trade with China will not be protected by law.
ReplyDeleteThat was the intention.
Of course, It is never in their plan that they expect China to comply. It is meant for China partners or trade partners ( who are also US trade partners) to see how wrong or how barbaric china is.
Now you can see clearly, US, Pinoy shut up liao and let china do all the explanation. No matter how they explain it is useless one.
China still gong gong flex military muscle to Asean members. They become more afraid and of course choose sides lah.
China Foreign Ministry need to OT alot these few months.
ReplyDeleteOne after the other.
Redbean, maybe you write such article for China paper and tell them about this legal warfare stuff.
ReplyDeleteUS is waging a legal warfare against China.
China should not respond to it with a military response.
China should gather their lawyers and come out with a legal defences.
For instance,
Australia ,USA ,Canada, Singapore and many European govt dont take order /have legal obligation to follow the ruling made by Third party judicial institution.
Why should China govt follow the ruling made by Third party judicial institution?
Philippine must file their claim ( awards) with the Chinese Court if they want to compel China gov to respect the ruling.
There are trial for such cases. - legal procedure
Philippine need to prove that China govt had consent to such arbitration
Philippine need to prove that such ruling wont undermine China judicial sovereignty.
Philippine need to prove that such ruling does not violate Chinese law, Chinese constitution etc..
Philippine need to prove that the foreign court had jurisdiction to legislate on such matter relating to China claim
Philippine need to prove that It is a fair and free tribunal whereby two parties can deliver their legal argument.
In the end, China court can refuse to recognise the awards given by the Foreign court because it fail to comply with basic legal principle - "fair and free trial"
China did not take part in the arbitration. - it is a sham trial
Foreign court dont have jurisdiction to hear those cases.
the ending ....
China govt dont have legal responsibility to follow it.
China slap USA face again with a comprehensive legal argument.
Such legal procedure exist in many Western nations.
There was a news conference held by The State Council Information Office today.
ReplyDeleteWah lau! More explanation and more confusion. Too late to explain liao. Anyway if chose not to participate, then no need to explain. Now like begging whole world to understand china position. At least NK got more pride.
There is no threats made but say China is willing to negotiate with pinoy on the basis prior to ruling. Pinoy probably thinking WTF, now then say. Last time want to use military?
The deputy foreign minister is like kana cancer and can see not enough sleep. The young guy beside him was very steady instead and keep smiling despite tense pressure. This is the type of smiling (happy tone) face that will made the foreign affairs grade even though he could be very angry inside.
Why like that?
ReplyDeleteWhere got fairness
and
JUSTICE in Sin???
Sin and Greedy Rulers
many many la.
patriot
Never trust LAWYERS. They will interpret the laws or implement laws to suit their agenda
ReplyDeleteWhen you have dishonest professionals, be prepared to get bloody screwed up
ReplyDeletehttp://www.therichest.com/rich-list/most-influential/the-10-most-dishonest-professions/
Its all part of a game.
ReplyDeleteExactly. Appeasement didn't work in the past and it won't work either in the future.
ReplyDeleteActually, it's very easy to teach those countries backing up this ridiculous verdict.
The map available from China Daily website shows more than 70 countries supporting China on South China Seas issues. compared to the few troublemakers supporting the hague circus.
Notable troublemakers supporting phillipines are america, uk, australia, japan and vietnam.
Issue a travel advisory to every offline and online travel agents with the list of the above countries that are against China.
That itself will have effect on the numbers of tourists going to the above countries.
To make it even better, spread out additional information related to the above countries such as:
1.UAE, Bahrain and Bahamas have issued their own travel advisory against travelling to america.
2.The supreme court of Japan has agreed with its government continue mass surveilance against muslim residents
3.Australia has the record of threating and criticizing other countries (Indonesia recently) to release drug trafficker of its nationality.
4.And others
And don't forget to promote other countries supporting China on the South China Sea issue.
Don't stop at simply creating ADIZ, make sure to accelerate building facilities all over the South China Sea and make it a resort destination asap.
Should america or other troublemakers dare to bring their warships in and make trouble, China can accuse them of threatening the tourists/civilians.
Kill the goose to get gold eggs. In the end, get nothing.
ReplyDelete
ReplyDeleteRed bean, i just found one interesting point.
google about Philippine territorial water over Sulu Sea.
Whole Sulu Sea ( as large as South China sea) belongs to Philippine - their Territorial water. ( a Philippine lake)
google the map of Philippine territorial water.
Western media turned a blind eye to such outrageous claim.
My wise suggestion to the China govt
ReplyDelete1.Ask Chinese people file a claim in the Chinese court to ask whether China govt had obligation to respect the recent ruling issued by Arbitration in Hague
2. seek a court declaration on the constitutional issue and an injunction order from Chinese court
A. declare that the ruling is not legally binding on China because it violate China constitution.
B. declare that China govt dont have obligation to respect ruling made by a Foreign court.-
China govt did not consent/take part
it is not a fair and free trial.
C. Prohibit/ block China govt to respect the ruling issued by foreign court - it is unconstitutional
@ " There is no threats made but say China is willing to negotiate with pinoy on the basis prior to ruling. "
ReplyDeleteTrue ( have not check ) ? Then as predicted no action no fireworks, control control and control. Sorry to disappoint again.
In that case nothings change, back to cooperation as China initially proposed to all the neighbors.
Except it will be covered in black and white and much more details in contract or law or whatever to whoever countries owns a claim. Boundary will drawn more clearly.
Perhaps that's what the rest want ( security ) instead of just a mouth promise from China. As its strength grows, there's tendency that China may muscle others out.
@ 1036pm
ReplyDeleteThings have already changed. Boundaries in the region need to remain unclear. Then there will be peace.
When talking about sovereignty, no countries will negotiate due to internal pressure. It will come back again and again.
If population deem to see their own govt weak, there will be a lots and lots of trouble for sure. same everywhere.
Philippines paid for the so called Tribunal judges salaries. This is against principal of objectivity.
ReplyDeleteThe Hague court of justice was NOT involved.
The Hague Permanent Arbitration court was not directly involved. It was asked to provide secretarial service.
The Humburg Ocean Law court was related, but the whole arbitration was not under the Ocean Law court.
Philippines and US are playing to the world a court case with a Japanese ex judge and this Japanese is a right wing militant type in Japan and was Abe s ambassador to US before.
The Chinese PLA should know their lands are robbed by another US scheme similar to Iraq, Libya and middle east. If they have soft knees, habis to China.
The Chinese civilian govt is too soft to pinoys and also S Korean. They dare not to even create trade sanctions within their power to stop this kind of embarrassment to China s reputation.
Until now, they only know talk can give away the islands to Philippines or let US deploy missiles in S Korea. China is not going to be in peace with this kind of attitude, encouraging small countries to bully China without paying a price.
embarrassment ?
ReplyDeleteso in the end to some is still about pride. that's a chinese sickness forever.
China always like to stay mysterious that begs the question of whether their weapons can and cannot. Last time PLA and leaders dare to fight , no money only one life. Now PLA got money some wealthy and their leaders more filthy rich, attitude change.
Human nature forever doesn't disappoint.
ReplyDeleteJust go to find out more for yourself. Sometimes, the one who bark the most is the one that is the most guilty conscience. When will people learn that sometimes silence is gold. overdoing it can turn the shit around.
Transparency is the key.
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