If
Singapore had truly wanted to be neutral, not choosing any side between
China and USA, as repeatedly spoken by many Singapore diplomats, past
and present foreign ministers and the three prime ministers, then
Singapore leaders shouldn't have journeyed all the way to the USA and
Japan to publicly and purposely thrash China and the Chinese People in
front of the leaders of USA and the leaders of Japan, in order to carry
favour and score points. Unfortunately such events did take place, not
once but a few times.
Such behaviour was totally uncalled for,
unnecessarily antagonistic, lack of statesmanship, diplomatically
unacceptable and plain stupid,
Singapore leaders would do well
to remember that 75% of Singapore citizens are of Chinese origin. Most
of them take their Chinese heritage with pride and dignity. Most of them
still have ties and relatives in China. Most of them are doing business
in and with China and the Chinese People. Almost all of them, except
the few Bananas, still respect China as their fathers' and/or mothers'
original Homeland.
Singapore leaders should always be grateful
to the Chinese Majority who have voted them into power to enjoy the
status, wealth, position and prestige they now have. Without the Chinese
votes, Singapore leaders past and present would not be where they are
today.
Singapore leaders shouldn't take for granted that the
Chinese voters will always continue to support and vote for the present
ruling political party to enable them to continue to do what they are
doing and enjoying. The wind of change is blowing very strongly. If they
were to continue with their Anti-China and Anti-Chinese stance, they
may be in for a rude shock in time to come, both internally and
externally.
The neutrality of Singapore is vital for Singapore's
long-term survival. There is no two ways about it. Siding with the USA
on the one hand, while belittling, condemning, demonizing or thrashing
China on the other, is not neutrality. It is obviously outright taking
sides. Vice versa is also outright taking sides. Even primary school
pupils know this.
Therefore, if Singapore leaders have already
taken side with Western Powers, especially USA, and especially also with
Japan (the perennial Arch-enemy of China), then it is time to mend
their ways - attitude, behaviour and actions. This can take a very long
time but it has to start now.
Remember, the long-term survival of Singapore depends on her ability to maintain her neutrality.
ASEAN
was formed on the basis of Neutrality. As an active member of ASEAN,
Singapore must remember and actively uphold the principle of neutrality
at all times. Just paying lip service is hypocritical and deceptive, to
say the least.
SSO - 1st July, 2021.
ReplyDeleteThe Singapore CECA Song
(Sing to any tune that suits you)
CECA, CECA every where.
Not a single job to spare.
CECA, CECA you are really mean.
Not a word can say what I mean.
CECA, CECA, why are you here?
To instil in us suffering n fear?
CECA, CECA, yes, we're so afraid,
'Cause you stole our jobs n our bread.
CECA, CECA, you are very cruel.
Your sinister cruelty's no equal.
CECA, CECA, we know why you're here.
Your motive's plainly plain n clearly clear.
CECA, CECA, came here not for jobs alone.
You wanted to steal our country's Throne.
CECA, CECA, your sinister plot is clear.
We'll fight you till we disappear.
CECA, CECA, we know you've allies,
In high places working as spies.
CECA, CECA, your spies will be caught
And make a lesson as traitors be taught.
CECA, CECA, some of us are fools,
But not all of us be your stools.
CECA, CECA, we'll make you pay
For making our country as ur prey.
CECA, CECA, your time is up.
We can see thru' your false make-up.
CECA, CECA, we will not stop
Till you're trickled to a drop!
Queen of Hearts
(Copy Rights Reserved)
Permission is hereby given to RB to republish as he wishes.
DeleteQueen of Hearts.
7 July 2021.
The talent of William Wordsworth and John Keats in the making.
DeletePritam Singh ( प्रीतम सिंह ) quick to accept PAP's explanation of CECA, calling the people's unhappiness over the Indian influx to work in good jobs here as "misunderstandings" -
ReplyDeleteMisunderstandings over Ceca could have been nipped in the bud if Govt released more data earlier: Pritam
Facts:
DeletePritam Singh is an Indian first, politically correct second and a Singaporean third.
Singapore has never been neutral. The various leaders of Singapore put up a thinly veiled false front to look a bit neutral. But they are not really neutral. They are Pro-UK and Pro-US all the time all the way. They are also Pro-Japanese and Pro-India, as being proved once again in the parliamentary debate last few days.
ReplyDeleteThanks Queen of Hearts.
ReplyDeleteWill put it in queue for posting as a main article.
Very very pro-India, until some even wear Modi suits . .
ReplyDeleteWho, who is the silly cunt that wear Modi suits?
ReplyDeleteYou bluffing lah, where to find such fools?
Singapore presnt leaders and main opposition political party, the Workers' Party, are very extremely pro-India. It is as clear as day light. They don't even bother to hide their sentiments.
ReplyDeleteThis is a Modi vest
ReplyDeleteVery poor taste.
ReplyDeleteWhen top jobs are given to foreigners, they would start to control who to employ and eventually the whole job market. Then more PMETs would be drivers and security guards.
ReplyDeleteThanks to the asses that negotiated and signed this stupid agreement. And from the way they talked in parliament, the people got to thank them for it. They worked so hard so must be grateful even when it turned out to be poisonous.
They can urinate down your back and tell you it's raining . .
ReplyDeleteSingapore created more than 110,000 jobs for CECA Indians in Singapore. How many more jobs were created for the Indians in India from the $61b investments there? 300,000 jobs?
ReplyDeleteHow many jobs did India created for Singaporeans in Singapore and in India? Or they came here to steal Singaporean jobs instead, making many PMETs jobless?
How much profit did Singapore make from the $61b investments, or loss instead of profits?
KNNBCCB.
Singapore leaders are making a huge mistake to leverage on and levitate towards Indian businesses and Indian talents, especially those with ulterior motives.
ReplyDeleteDBS India got screwed by the Indian Courts is one good example.
Temasek Holdings' trapped investments is another.
Pouring in good money after bad money is another stupidity cannot cure example.
India can simply close the door and nationalise the $60b Singapore invested there and Singapore can do nothing about it.
ReplyDeleteThis is a clear case of stupidity has no cure.
Ya, parking the money with the bandits and trusting the bandits.
ReplyDeleteTemasek Holdings is sleeping with a lot of poisonous snakes in the biggest Snake Pit of the World.
ReplyDeleteHoly cow, so much money parked in India. I feel safer parking my money with the Tai Yee Long.
ReplyDeleteAt least they are here and can be arrested. India is out of our control.
30 to 50 years ago, we could never hear that highly educated scholars would go to India to do business with the slippery tongue Indians.
ReplyDeleteToday, we can see highly educated fools defend their idiotic actions by sayinv that they went to India to convince the many Indian Provincial governors to agree to sign the CECA, effectively doing the job for the Indian government.
Where can you find such idiots in the world har?
Stupidity has no cure. He thought this was very smart. Sigh.
ReplyDeleteJoker, the Indians knew they had a damn good deal but feigned not happy, still hoping to squeeze a bit more by playing hard to get.
ReplyDeleteAnd he fell for it, thinking he had a damn good deal.
This is like begging the robbers to come and steal your house.
Unbelieveable!
ReplyDeleteReally no match for the street smart wily Indians.
Now we know why they worship the Indians like gods and hand all the top jobs to them.
Heng Swee Keat was trying to justify his Stupidity vigorously and stupidly. I felt so sorry for him.
ReplyDeleteHello DPM Heng,
ReplyDeleteIf you had worked so hard for three years, as you have said in Parliament, then Chapter 9 of CECA should not have existed at all.
You know fully well, as you have confessed, that the Indians' side was very interested and persistent in putting in Chapter 9, yet you let it be included in the CECA agreement? Isn't that reflects there was something wrong with you?
Magic! The snakes have succeeded in hynotisinng a bunch of idiot beans who remain hypnotised 16 years later!
ReplyDeleteA Sinkie IT guy in my previous workplace once told me his India colleagues in the company's IT dept, headed by one also from India, are very secretive about company IT solutions and won't share with him. He's the only Sinkie in the team.
ReplyDeleteThe four musketeers (or most-kilats), meaning Goh Chok Tong as PM, George Yeo as Foreign Minister, Heng Swee Keat as Chief Negotiator and Ong Ye Kung as Co-Negotiator, have let Singapore and Singaporeans down very badly as far as CECA went then and goes now. They will have to shoulder full responsibility and pay for their treacherous deeds.
ReplyDeleteCECA is a case of a mistake made but refused to admit it; then kept defending the Indefensible by covering up with saying that it was for the interests of Singaporeans.
ReplyDeleteActually, it was for the interests of Temasek Holdings and the Government Investment Corporation, guided by greed.
Definitely NOT for Singapore and Singaporeans.
PS: Temasek Holdings and the Government Investment Corporation are privately registered enterprises, therefore they do not represent Singapore or Singaporeans.
And for those wondering why I’m belabouring the point here, I would like to add a closing point.
ReplyDeleteThe PSP has framed this issue as one that follows. CECA has forced Singapore to blindly import Indian nationals under the EP scheme here to the detriment of our local PMETs. That has been the crux of their argument and this has directly resulted in both xenophobia and racism in our multiracial multi cultural society.
What PSP and many others blindly trumpeting the argument have failed to identify is that
India has the second largest population in the world,
65% of its population are under 35, therefore making them more mobile and able to relocate should the situation arise and
The talent pool available in the specific sectors there simply down to their sheer numbers.
This has been why there is an increase in the number of Indian nationals in our workforce, rather than us being unfairly conned or tied by the CECA.
Your belaboured point is invalid and irrelevant.
DeleteIt is already subsumed by Heng's point that the more than 1 billion population of India would easily overwhelm Singapore's 3 million population at the point of negotiation. He knew it very well, yet he went ahead and sealed the lopsided unfair deal.
Singapore's Ministry of Health seems to imply that nobody in China is vaccinated.
ReplyDeleteSingapore is not counting people who took Sinovac Biotech’s CoronaVac vaccine in its national count, according to the Ministry of Health. Only people who have taken Moderna and Pfizer shots are reflected in the overall vaccination numbers, a spokesman for the ministry said.
According to China's National Health Commission, more than one billion Chinese had been vaccinated with Chinese vaccines.
CECA: Natural Justice For Sins Committed Against Singaporeans:
ReplyDelete1. GCT got cancer.
2. Georgie Boy was voted out in Aljunied GRC.
3. Heng got stroke and cannot become PM by his own choosing.
4. Ong was not voted in during his first election. He should be booted out again in next election.
Good news
ReplyDeleteMigrant workers from India will be brought into Singapore on a "small scale" and in a "calibrated manner" this month through a pilot programme led by the construction, marine and process (CMP) sectors.
If successful, this method will be used to facilitate a steady inflow of migrant workers in a safe and secure manner, said the sectors' leading associations in a joint statement on Wednesday (July 7).
This not good news. This is very bad news. Cunning people are trying to circumvent the Covid19 restrictions to bring in more infected people from South Asian countries.
DeleteThe answer is not a difficult one.
ReplyDeleteWe attract record good investments because we have a highly skilled workforce.
We have a highly skilled workforce because we have the best education system in the world.
The World Bank ranked Singapore No. 1 in Human Capital Development.
Our economy requires 3.4 million people to support the entire breadth and depth of activities.
Our local workforce is just 2.3 million. There are not enough of us to power an economy that will create quality jobs - not just any jobs. - for a highly educated population.
We need to supplement with people from the rest of the world.
https://sgmatters.com/why-is-our-schools-not-producing-the-required-number-of-talents-leong-mun-wai/
Your point is weak and tailored.
DeleteIt's very simple. No matter how good our students are, they lack global experience. And nothing is going to solve that unless singaporeans start to chiong overseas.
ReplyDeleteYou think a toa payoh bank branch manager is equivalent to the regional manager of California or New Delhi?? You must be joking
You think village pumpkins from a 3rd world country is better than graduates from first world Singapore with universities ranked 3rd in Asia? You must be joking.
DeleteGlobal experience in what?
DeleteIn cheating, conning and lying?
In smooth talking, sweet talking and smoking?
2 common myths about CECA that causes a big hoo-ha
ReplyDeleteAside from CECA, Singapore has 26 Free Trade Agreements (FTA) with many countries globally. Since 2005, our total trade in goods and services has nearly doubled from around S$890 billion to S$1.5 trillion (which is three times of our GDP!). Those who attack CECA without proof are synonymously attacking Singapore’s success and the direct livelihoods and jobs of Singaporeans to earn political votes.
Singapore’s success was not built overnight. We’re a small red dot on the map and have to constantly jostle to maintain our place in the world. We are nothing but a dust speck in the global arena if it weren’t for our success. Let’s not forget how precarious our position is nor be swayed by the baseless comments of netizens online.
https://sgmatters.com/2-common-myths-about-ceca-that-causes-a-big-hoo-ha/
Now that India CECA has been clarified in Parliament - it's all a misunderstanding - employers can now go ahead and bring into Singapore hundreds of thousands of CECA Indians !
ReplyDeleteAnonymous said...
ReplyDeleteIt's very simple. No matter how good our students are, they lack global experience. And nothing is going to solve that unless singaporeans start to chiong overseas.
You think a toa payoh bank branch manager is equivalent to the regional manager of California or New Delhi?? You must be joking
Please stop this stupidity on the need for global experience. When your customers are from Toa Payoh, individuals and business, what shit global experience do you need to operate a local business.
Running MRT, running Singapore Pools, you need global experience?
It is so sad that our scholar shits from the best Ivy League universities in the world are mesmerised by third world talents from third world unranked universities and been dragged around by the nose to do shitty things. Worse, the third world talents are scheming and planning to remove all the shitty Ivy Leagues with their villagers with global experience, India and Singapore.
All the Singaporeans would be laughing when these silly scholars are booted out by the third world shits they brought in. Unfortunately by then most Singaporeans would be jobless and penniless and downgraded to the smallest HDB flats to feed themselves and their families and would not be able to laugh in their pathetic state of affair.
And before Singaporeans chionh overseas, make sure your asshole is protected or you would not have a home or country to come back to.
@ Anon at 9.11 pm,
ReplyDeleteThis Website called sgmatters.com is a well-known psyops website set up to sing the same tune as the G's mouth-pieces like ST and CNA.
Its agenda is to make you see no evil, hear no evil and speak no evil, in order to make you daft and stupid.
Misinformation and disinformation are the names of its games.
It is of no difference from the US Psychological Warfare websites and propaganda-dispatching news outlets.
There is no proof that the growth of Singapore's GDP since 2005 was solely due to the signing of CECA with India.
If CECA imported personnel were as good as what this website wants us to believe, then India's GDP since 2005 should have correspondingly tripled, or even better than Singapore. The fact is that instead of growth, India's GDP has shrink.
Honest people do analyse the situation. Crooked people situate the situation to taylor-make for their arguments in order to counter genuine criticisms and to fool the unaware.
So, don't be fooled by this psyops website. Everything you read from this website, take it with a bucketful of salt. Or, better still, don't read whatever it churned out. Totally ignore it.
CPI®
Anonymous Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteYou think village pumpkins from a 3rd world country is better than graduates from first world Singapore with universities ranked 3rd in Asia? You must be joking.
No, no, this is not a joke, but very serious. Our imbeciless really believe the third world shits are better than them except that their political appointments are still protected, but for how long?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
ReplyDelete2 common myths about CECA that causes a big hoo-ha
Aside from CECA, Singapore has 26 Free Trade Agreements (FTA) with many countries globally. Since 2005, our total trade in goods and services has nearly doubled from around S$890 billion to S$1.5 trillion (which is three times of our GDP!). Those who attack CECA without proof are synonymously attacking Singapore’s success and the direct livelihoods and jobs of Singaporeans to earn political votes.
You dumb IB parroting what your masters said. Don't try to deflect the real problem at hand. No one is against FTAs but this stupid CECA. You get that into your numb skull.
Minister Tan See Leng only reveals 500 intra-corporate transferees from India for last year – a Covid year
ReplyDeleteTan said: “None of our FTAs, including the India-Singapore Comprehensive Economic Cooperation Agreement (Ceca), gives intra-corporate transferees unfettered access to our labour market.” “If they have brought in dependants, the dependants do not have automatic rights to work here. They can only do so if they qualify for a work pass on their own merits,” he said.
ReplyDeleteTan never said that the rule was changed only recently several months ago. ICTs now can no longer bring their family members with them via dependant’s passes or long-term visit passes, something which was permitted all along. And in the past, dependants were allowed to work in Singapore.
It's already happened. My friend's nephew, a scholar, used to be in the top management of an international bank here. About a year and a half ago he was retrenched. The top management of this bank are now all India Indians.
ReplyDeleteDespite their million dollar dignity, I think the imbeciles were trembling in their pants when talking to these super talents from third world India and from universities that were ranked miles away from NUS and NTU and thousands of miles away from the Ivy League universities the imbeciles graduated.
ReplyDeleteAnd the third world talents were talking down to the imbeciles showing them no respect and no dignity.
The legal text of CECA is publicly available for anyone concerned individuals to read.
ReplyDeleteIndian nationals have a 'free hand' to come here, find permanent employment, become PRs and citizens?
𝐀𝐛𝐬𝐨𝐥𝐮𝐭𝐞𝐥𝐲 𝐧𝐨𝐭! 𝐍𝐎𝐓 𝐚𝐜𝐜𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐨 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐥𝐞𝐠𝐚𝐥 𝐭𝐞𝐱𝐭 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐂𝐄𝐂𝐀 𝐂𝐡𝐚𝐩𝐭𝐞𝐫 𝟗.
𝐂𝐡𝐚𝐩𝐭𝐞𝐫 𝟗 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐥𝐞𝐠𝐚𝐥 𝐭𝐞𝐱𝐭 𝐨𝐟 𝐂𝐄𝐂𝐀 expressively says that the rights and obligations in relation to 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐦𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐨𝐟 𝐧𝐚𝐭𝐮𝐫𝐚𝐥 𝐩𝐞𝐫𝐬𝐨𝐧𝐬 𝐝𝐨 𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝐚𝐩𝐩𝐥𝐲 𝐭𝐨 𝐦𝐞𝐚𝐬𝐮𝐫𝐞𝐬 𝐥𝐢𝐤𝐞 𝐜𝐢𝐭𝐢𝐳𝐞𝐧𝐬𝐡𝐢𝐩, 𝐩𝐞𝐫𝐦𝐚𝐧𝐞𝐧𝐜𝐞 𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐧𝐜𝐞 𝐨𝐫 𝐞𝐦𝐩𝐥𝐨𝐲𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐨𝐧 𝐚 𝐩𝐞𝐫𝐦𝐚𝐧𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐛𝐚𝐬𝐢𝐬.
Who are the intra-corporate transferees granted temporary entry here?
They are the manager, executive or specialist.
<< Definitions of Definitions of manager, executive and specialist according to the CECA legal text >>
A 𝐌𝐀𝐍𝐀𝐆𝐄𝐑 is a natural person who:
primarily directs the organization or a department or subdivision of the organization,
supervises and controls the work of other supervisory, professional or managerial employees,
has the authority to hire and fire or take other personnel actions (such as a promotion or leave authorization), and
exercises discretionary authority over day-to-day operations.
An 𝐄𝐗𝐄𝐂𝐔𝐓𝐈𝐕𝐄 is a natural person within an organization who:
primarily directs the management of the organization,
exercises wide latitude in decision-making, and
receives only general supervision or direction from higher-level executives, the board of directors, or stockholders of the business;
A 𝐒𝐏𝐄𝐂𝐈𝐀𝐋𝐈𝐒𝐓 means a natural person within an organization who possesses knowledge at an advanced level of expertise.
In other words, top-level staff. Someone who can exercise wide latitude in decision-making, can hire and fire, possesses expert knowledge.
https://www.facebook.com/SingaporeMatters/posts/4091601080926254
International trade is our lifeline. Our trade to GDP ratio is around 319%, one of the highest globally. This is how important international trade is to our economy, and therefore to Singaporeans. This is also why our FTAs are so crucial to us.
ReplyDeletePM Lee said in a Facebook post :
Singapore needs access to global markets to earn our living, and Free Trade Agreements play a crucial role in letting us do so.
Our network of FTAs has benefited us enormously. They create investments and opportunities for our businesses, and jobs for our people. They have helped make us a leading global hub.
The misrepresentation of the effects of the Comprehensive Economic Cooperation Agreement (CECA) with India has caused much unnecessary public concern.
Singaporeans are anxious about jobs, foreign competition, as well as the impact of the large number of foreigners working and living here. These are valid concerns which we will address. But if we put the blame on CECA, that will not solve our problem but instead make it worse.
Netizens Are Best Sources Of Information Today
ReplyDeleteContrary to what many governments want us to believe, the Netizens are today's best sources of information. They are not baseless comments, as some people have blatantly wanted us to believe in their baseless allegations.
Many of the Netizens today are better educated, better informed and better equipped. Their comments and articles are more well-thought out and worth reading and savouring.
Moreover, they speak from their heart without the need to be politically correct, or afraid to offend their boss/paymaster. They are spontaneous and voluntary, without being paid to do so.
Unlike Government mouth pieces that are directed, constrained and limited in what they can say, the Netizens have more leeways, more freedom and are more sincere and truthful.
Yes, of course, there will be blacksheep like everywhere else, but from a wider spread of sources and resources in/from the Internet, nowadays, the Netizens have a better overview of what is happening anywhere, everywhere, than the narrow, miopic and mind-twisted writers for government propaganda websites, whose only purpose for existence is to think of ways and means to counter criticisms and bad news, so as to maintain a fake good image.
From the aggregation of the articles written in any propaganda website, there is a clear trend to tell us where it is coming from. It is as clear as a bright sunny day!
Anyone disagree?
Queen of Hearts
Well educated, informed and equipped netizen indeed....
ReplyDeletePOFMA correction directions issued to Goh Meng Seng, Singapore Uncensored over COVID-19 vaccination falsehoods
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/pofma-covid-19-goh-meng-seng-singapore-uncensored-facebook-14625452
IN FOCUS: Has POFMA been effective? A look at the fake news law, 1 year since it kicked in
“Regardless of whether there's POFMA or not, the onus is still on each one of us making discerning choices about what we read, especially on matters that affect us,” he added.
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/singapore-pofma-fake-news-law-1-year-kicked-in-13163404
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ReplyDelete5 sinkies from IT diploma, cannot explain concept of recursion. Ask them simple question on time and space complexity of a binary search tree (BST) they cannot answer.
Yet 2 foreigners with degrees (and according to some EDMWers standard is considered 3rd world/dubious/lousy/paper mills), can explain concept of recursion and time and space complexity of a BST.
No local sinkie grads apply because I only offer $4k..
Feel so embarrassed average diploma holders cannot even understand simple programming concepts.
Update: have to reject all candidates. the 2 FTs cannot meet the salary requirement cos we only offer $4k. For the 5 diploma ones, is due to skillset mismatch.
If you got local sinkie bred and born here with local CS uni grad friend and looking for job, please pm me. Not kidding.
Update 2: Will look out for mid career transitioning professionals since some mention those will be a better fit.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/i-interview-5-sinkies-2-foreigners-for-software-engineer-job.6550806/
One swallow does not make a summer. Using a single incident to generalize is maliciously stupid.
DeleteThis is called nitpicking.
ReplyDeleteOng Ye Kung said CECA is not the problem but the solution. He created the Huge CECA problems and he claimed that it is solution instead. He must be masturbating mentally until he got the solution in hand?
ReplyDeleteAnd he never produce any facts or evidence to support and substantiate what he claimed. An excellent example of talk cock like sing song.
Why is the Health Minister Ong Ye Kung so kay poh to talk about CECA. Isn't it the Business of the Minister for Trade and Industry, who seems to have dodged the issue under his preview.
ReplyDeleteIf the Newbie Minister for Manpower Tan See Lai can talk about the CECA from manpower perspective, why the Newbie Minister for Trade and Industry is hiding and shying away from his Ministry's responsibility?
He made so many blunders aa the Hell-Mini-star, yet never have to take responsibility and face accountability. All he needed to do was to say the magic words, "I reject the allegations." But he never deny the allegations! So what does it mean?
ReplyDeletePeople don't know in such cases must be because they were not taught in the Poly. If these are basic knowledge and the Poly did not bother to teach them, then something is seriously wrong. If these are taught, the graduates cannot say they did not know.
ReplyDeleteClose the poly? Conduct an inquiry?