Why did I say this kind of things? What do you think is the problem with
SMRT collision? Ok, what was the basic principle underlying decision
making by the first generation of leaders? Before they purchase a
system, an equipment, a plane, a ship or a train system, they asked a
very basic question. How long has the system or equipment been in
operation? Has it been proven to work, free from faults and bugs? If it
is new, untested, why should we buy and pay to be the guinea pig?
This driverless car thing is a new thing, a new technology. In the
Jurong Test Centre we are just setting an area for testing and earn some
money from it. This is a business. It would be a different story if we
are volunteering to be the guinea pig to test run driverless cars on our
road while knowing that it is an untested technology and many things
can go wrong? This would happen if we volunteer to be the first country
to experiment on driverless cars. This is a first that we should not be
clamouring for. This is not something to ‘pray pray’ about. This
technology can kill, innocent lives are involved. There are harmless
things that we want to be first for bragging rights. This untested
driverless technology is not really in operation and going to present a
lot of problems, troubles and accidents waiting to happen?
Are we the owner of this technology, the software or the hardware
developer? Do we own the copyright? Who is the owner of this
concept/equipment and how are we going to benefit from it if it is
tested successfully? If we are not of the above, do we want to put our
people’s lives as the price for testing other people’s product?
If we are the developer and owner of the software it is all well and
good but still must approach this cautiously. We even erected another
barrier in MRT stations costing millions to prevent people from jumping
on the tracks. Test running driverless cars are definitely more risky
than people voluntarily jumping on the tracks. If we are just a user, we
should not be putting our people and reputation at risk. If we are part
owner of this concept and system, and we are going to gain and benefit
from it financially, that could be a different proposition. If we are
just a teeny weeny minority shareholder, or not at all, we need to weigh
the benefits and returns versus the cost of such an experiment when it
is going to be conducted on our roads. During the experimental stage
many things can go wrong and lives could be lost. Is it worth it?
What is in it for us?
Just hope that we are not being made a sucker to test other people’s
product and system and if things go awry, our people got killed or
injured.
Get my point? Remember the investment in an untested American aircraft called F35 that turned out to be an American scam and making the investing countries into suckers, pouring money into a bottomless pit? Still believing that the Americans would share their cutting edge technologies with outsiders?
I have no confidence in driverless cars. Of course I do see these being tested overseas but most of the time at highways. Singapore is such a cramp place with traffic lights every few hundred feet. With jay walkers and zombies looking at their cell phones all the time, accidents bound to happen.
ReplyDeleteIf u see a driverless car, don't give way because the driverless car is programmed to sense and not to hit other vehicles right ??
ReplyDeleteDo u does believe in this driverless car or truck system? When the party white men couldn't even manage its own mrt system, with breakdowns almost every other day do u still trust them? Probably the whites party men think that 70% dafts Sinkies will believe & have trust in this driverless cars systems, as the whites party men r very confident that these 70% dafts will remain as dafts as ever , even when they increase the gst to exorbitant rate also these dafts will vote for them in the next GE--Stupidity is no cure in Alice-in-Sickyland of Dafts..
ReplyDeleteNo need Jihadist terrorists to drive buses to kill people on the roads. Here come the driverless bus !
ReplyDeleteGPS can lead you into drains and rivers in Matland.
ReplyDeleteThe user who keyed in wrongly or not following the earlier instructions made the GPS goes loco (crazy )
What's more drive less cars??
Reports of drive less cars crashing in trials been covered up from the Media.
Get the Ministers, MPs to sit and test run on roads before the public.
Our People's President can be the First to try the Express Ways.
Cheers
Can a driverless truck system fail, just like the MRT carriages "coming into contact", and run down people om the roads?
ReplyDeleteCan a terrorist programme a driverless truck to run down people on the roads?
Will Halimah move around in a driverless limousine, escorted by riderless outriders? Good things must share !
ReplyDelete
ReplyDeleteyou all don't know meh?
this is a you die your business society!
you die,,,,,,,,,,not me
Singapore is like that liao
t0000000000 late to change?
hahaha,,,,,,,,,
/// This is a first that we should not be clamouring for. This is not something to ‘pray pray’ about. This technology can kill, innocent lives are involved. /// - redbean
ReplyDeleteDear uncle Chua.
True or not?
Until Singaporeans get killed ... we will all continue to support this PAP technology and continue to vote PAP without question?
There are just to many variable to take care of: & movements 360° around,so many vehicles movements & human activities like pedestrians etc...
ReplyDeleteI just don't have faith in driverless cars!
Driverless cars system if uses china software, better go for it fast. If uses US or usa software, better stop now.
ReplyDeleteUS scanning systems bought china software in public place. Now they worry china might hack into that system. But sinkieland driverless cars is not security sensitive. It will work. Shanghai port now has a newly openned manless system. From taking cargo to transporting by manless trucks, all manless. Shenzheng is using driverless buses with driver sitting inside for emergency helping passengers only.
In robots technology, china software works and not usa or US. little usa uses pinoys and indians to write software here. Better give up and throw into dustbin instantly. Bt if bought from china test system, there is live testing in china every where in future. In other words, the system will be perfect to use in civil activities.
Driverless cars are safe because: 1. no driver who drive with overloaded beer inside body. 2. no driver given with license but was a foreigner who can be a risk to local woman looking good. 3. The exact location of driverless car is tracked by gps and can be zoomed into the exact environment for recuse by police.
Driverless car will reduce PM2.5 that causes lung and other parts cancer. This is a very important improvement on living people. It is not a pap achievement if it miss the chance. WP and other opposition parties should go faster if taking over the pap power to implement driverless cars driverless buses, and driverless port to make sinkieland a pure oxygen country in this world.
However in view of pap s cronies overwhelm the industries as contractors. The concerns of driverless cars lose control is real. These contractors similar to those foreigners agents will get the tenders with high chances. They will hire cheapest foreigners from sunny lands to modify software, repair the parts or never do but on records did to mess up the entire system similar to mrt. Watch who will be appointed as ceo for driverless vehicles system: will be another paper general comes with answers deep seated culture sinkies when a driverless car stops but suddenly speed up and "in contact" with a fuel run car and smash into a metal rubber.
The technology is good. But the contractor who runs it is no guarantee technology competent. The ceo running it will be foreign talent the elites think ultra competent. It will end as a mess if runs under the current elites watch. Agree it is dangerous to touch driverless when the ones running it are brainless and illogical. Vote for WP in 2020 will help to control the new technology better.
/// Get my point? Remember the investment in an untested American aircraft called F35 ... ///
ReplyDelete- redbean
But uncle Chua
Do you think Singaporeans always believe in trying new and untested technology?
Think of all the (new & untested?) PAP candidates that ride on a Minister's coat-tail into parliament ... True or not? Fair or not?
@ December 13, 2017 9:57 am
ReplyDeleteWhat about "new & untested" Generals that ride into SMRT, NOL and SPH?
Is this true?
Is this fair comment?
ReplyDeleteHi 936am, vote for WP?
Are they ready to form the next govt?
If not. Don't waste time!
It is time that they come out and say....
Yes! Vote WP to form the next govt!
Otherwise,,,,,,Don't waste time!!!
Trains run on a fixed track going in one direction.
ReplyDeleteSo driver-less train technology is a lot simpler than driver-less car technology.
Did we recently have an accident (or was it "contact") between two MRT trains?
- do you think driver-less cars are safer?
ReplyDeletedriverless cars = accidentless
I just don't have faith in driverless cars!
ReplyDeleteDecember 13, 2017 9:54 am
If Singapore were a car;
Do you think we are operating without a driver now?
Do you think Singapore is a driver-less car?
Drive less big Monster Trucks.Best container Prime mover with Heavy load of 32 Tons Explosives onto Trailer rammed into Orchard Road or Shentin Way Lunch time crowds.
ReplyDeleteCANNOT even traced when it came from. Or Chennai Business Park.
Wah piang good show. Americans movie with lots of bright ideas of how they sabotage. In their genes, the So called Terrorists no need crack their brains just follow their tactics.
So much for Drive less and dare devils vehicles.
---> I have no confidence in driverless cars. Of course I do see these being tested overseas but most of the time at highways. Singapore is such a cramp place with traffic lights every few hundred feet. With jay walkers and zombies looking at their cell phones all the time, accidents bound to happen. <----
ReplyDeleteDecember 13, 2017 8:56 am
Do you think the technology for a driver-less car is more demanding in Singapore than in USA?
What is the population density of Singapore now ... before Ah Loong's 6.9 million is even achieved? .... ANSWER: 7,987 people per square kilometer
https://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?v=21000
Not sure if this number includes:
maids, construction workers, tourists, foreign talents etc ...
What is the population of USA?
... ANSWER: 91 persons per square mile (OR 236 persons per square kilometer)
https://www.statista.com/statistics/183475/united-states-population-density/
It is safer, better and cheaper for Singapore to have a Driverless Government than to have a driverless transportation system. The problems of the MRT System already cannot solve after more than ten years. This state of affairs is probably due to too many Millionaire "Drivers" putting their hands into it but refusing to take ownership of their responsibilities. It is as good as having no responsible "Drivers".
ReplyDeleteTherefore, it will be better, cheaper and safer, and less problematic, to have a Driverless Government. Do you agree?
Three groups of people will be very happy if the Driverless Car System is implemented:
ReplyDeleteThe fisrt group comprises those makers of driverless cars and the con men who supported them.
The second group will be the terrorists, who need not make use of suicide-bombers any more. They can remotely the vehicles to cause havoc and death anywhere, anytime and any how they like.
The third group will be those who want to commit suicide. They will have a new easy way of killing themselves and make their dependents richer by claiming insurance - on the basis of "death caused by accident" instead of "death by suicide".
Therefore, it will be better, cheaper and safer, and less problematic, to have a Driverless Government. Do you agree?
ReplyDeleteDecember 13, 2017 10:39 am
When LKY was promoted (by who ah?) to Senior Minister ... Do you think that was the date we achieved a Driver-less Government?
Reported Accidents:
ReplyDeleteTesla:
When the magic wears off Joshua Brown, 40, was killed driving a Tesla Model S on June 30, 2016 when the self-driving car rammed into a 18-wheel truck in Florida.
The car, which used a computer vision-based vehicle detection, crashed into the truck trying to drive full speed under the trailer.
Brown was reportedly watching a Harry Potter movie at the time of the collision.
Reported Accidents 2:
ReplyDeleteGoogle Lexus:
On February 14, 2016 an autonomously driven Google Lexus pulled to the right preparing for a turn and collided with the side of a bus in Mountain View, California.
The crash tore off the car’s radar and flattened its tyre.
While the Google employee sitting inside the car emerged unharmed, the vehicle had to be towed away by the police.
Google has admitted that its self-driving cars had been involved in 11 "minor" traffic accidents since it began experimenting with the technology.
What about major accidents which were probably not reported in order to avoid bad publicity? Who is to know?
Reported Serious Traffic Offence:
ReplyDeleteUber Computer-Controlled Car:
In December 2016, Uber's computer-controlled car was caught on video running a red light, four seconds after the light turned red.
Uber said that the violation was a human error since a person was required to sit behind the wheel.
The company suspended the driver after California regulators ordered a rollback of Uber’s self-driving cars citing pedestrian safety as paramount.
First and foremost, the leaders must be the first to use it. Do you think they will do so?
ReplyDeleteWhy are the leaders of red dot so fearful of not keeping up with technology that they must make red dot a smart city to stay on top after learning that China is moving ahead?
Driverless trains are different, because it follows a fixed route and the tracks are always cleared of people and other obstacles, unless some people wants to commit suicide.
When the canal up north and the new trade routes up there are operational, red dot will really be driverless if the leaders cannot come up with new ideas to compete.
By then, if they cannot find their way around, any amount of amart technology or becoming a smart city will not bring any competitive advantage.
Reported Accidents 3:
ReplyDeleteVolvo:
Last May, while trying to demonstrate Volvo's pedestrian detection and auto-braking feature, the car automatically accelerated towards a group of people knocking them off their feet.
Volvo's management side-step the seriousness of the accident by blaming the owner of the driverless car.
Volvo's management said that accident occurred because of the owner’s neglect to pay for the pedestrian detection functionality that costs extra money.
Does that mean pedestrians will have to pay with their lives, if owner refused to install the pedestrian-detection device which costs extra money? Should this safety important measure be optional?
Reported Accidents 4:
ReplyDeleteAeroMobil:
Slovakian startup AeroMobil created a 'flying car', which operates both as a sports car and an airplane.
On May 11, 2015, the self-flying car crashed during its test flight with the investor onboard.
Stefan Klein, co-founder and pilot, sustained minor injuries.
Since then AeroMobil has conducted several successful test flights and the company plans to take pre-orders for the car from 2017.
If the accident had caused the death of the investor, this money-making at expense-of-others' lives would probably be cancelled?
Reported Accidents 5 (Last but not least):
ReplyDeleteNuTonomy:
Singapore-based startup NuTonomy beat the likes of Google and Uber to launch the world’s first self-driving taxi service. But the taxi company had suspended trials for little over a month last October, after one of its self-driving cars hit a lorry at the One-North Business Park in Ayer Rajah.
The right bumper of the car was damaged, and it left a dent on the side of the lorry.
The two engineers on board were unharmed but shocked.
NuTonomy claimed that the accident occurred due to 'software anomalies', and resumed service after fixing the software problems.
Would further software problems cause more serious accidents?
Who is willing to put his life at the mercy of a software, which is likely to have bugs and glitches?
Will the insurance companies be willing to insure you at low premiums?
10:04am
ReplyDeleteWhat role is a voter to play in voting system? Play the ruler role or play the to be ruled role? You are illogical. U vote for WP and u command WP cannot form a government. U should vote for pap.
For those voting for WP, they vote for being ruled by WP government. The benefits are different from pap. First the population will be curbed. Second the citizens will have jobs. Third the rich and poor ie salary difference will be adjusted.
U vote for pap, the population is to expand to 7 millions in 12 years time (2 more terms). Expand population will stop salary increase. Dirty tricks contracting with hired from sunny land to pay back cash to boss while receiving employment pass above salary is well known. These population increase is the weapons to create rich and poor gap. The top levels will take higher bonus. This kind of level can increase bonus at million dollars count. At the same time, the ministar such as toothpick box will curb $100pm increase for the poorest working level.
U vote pap to get mrt overloaded and to get sub quality maintenance hiring those sunnyland technicians to save cost for the paper generals to draw out extra millions as bonus.
In another 20 years, sinkieland will have highest taxes, low quality mrt and smelly seat cabins. Citizens will run short of cash to pay flat bills, higher electricity bills, and overcrowded public places at weekends, no where to go. There will be days when prostitutes at gelang will not serve those overwhelming cheap labor. These labor will go look for your daughters and wives at night. Indirectly the security in sinkieland will deteriorate badly when cheap labor and cheap foreigners are expanding beyond control. The little india incidence told sinkies clearly, the uniform group cannot handle a localized riot. U vote for pap for very serious consequences for your own children.
ReplyDeleteIt is not that I want to pour cold water about driverless cars
Unless the world is aiming for totally driverless on the road, otherwise this is going to give us very little benefits!
The amount investments poured just to save a few drIver jobs, is it cost effective?
Maybe not!
Lao hero //If it is new, untested, why should we buy and pay to be the guinea pig?//
ReplyDeleteAiya, TCJ ex-guard can run marathon and sprint 100m in 12 seconds, if driveless cars come crashing at a bus stop full of people including oldies on tongkat, tcj can run fast la ...
Only the oldies who cant run fast enougj become guinea pigs and collateral damage?
Dun worry, tcj has mediahield life insurance for oldies ...?
If injured in an accident due to crashing driverless car at a crowded bus stop, can use medishield life especially PG with the king card (PG red card) got more further discount
Trump family in a driverless car?
ReplyDeleteRoyal families in a driverless car?
AhLong family in a driverless car? No.
Thus the answer is simple: it is still not safe.
Anyway, driving is fun.
''What is in it for us?''
ReplyDeleteIt is obvious.
AhLong supported Hillary.
AhLong is blacklisted in Trump list.
AhLong has to milk the people to cough out enough money to please Trump.
AhLong should step down to save smalland.
Oldies correct card boards for exercise?
ReplyDeleteTcj run from his bungalow to GBB for exercise?
Many don't see the need for cashless payment. Paying with cash has all along been fine.
ReplyDeleteMany don't see the need for driverless cars. Riding in cars with drivers has all along been fine.
Why is living-in-ivory-tower Loong pushing for all these ??
Small boys and immatured man, whose whole life has been a spoilt brat, are easily fascinated by new toys and gadgets. They will go all out to be the first to try out these new toys and gadgets.
ReplyDeleteDoes that answer your question?
Botaknomics squander $$$ here $$$ there?
ReplyDeleteNS for sinkies, jobs for aliens?
But when get into trouble treat the masses and oldies like atm and expect oldies, the poor etc bail them out when they eveLEEday live in GCBs (GOOD CLASS BUNGALOWS)
The system the 2 old farts left behind is beyond repair le ...?
ReplyDeleteAbandon sampan bah?
Dun harbour any false hope (anymore)?
Anon 5.28pm //Many don't see the need for driverless cars. Riding in cars with drivers has all along been fine.//
ReplyDeleteThe synonym for that is KN (Kiang [4th tone] Nang[2nd tone]) ...?
Driverless cars let harakiri and his kakis be the test passengers first and foremost ...?
Laogoa also can, test around GCB districts like Namly Ave, Clunny Rd, Jervois areas ...?
But the masses lives are cheap(skate)?
So harakiri chose 3 new estates in two0choochoo namely Punkgoa, Zhuloooong Linovation Thistreet, DengKah ...?
Why dun choose Orhak Rd, Rarefast Pl, MaLEEnah Boleeefart etc etc ...?
New citizens very precious but sinkies poor oldies like mice (cheapskate) guinea pigs?
Driver-less cars?
ReplyDeleteWorry not.
After 50 years, PAP's Town Council at AMK seems to be re-introducing lift attendants.
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All 3 lifts at an Ang Mo Kio block are defective, requiring “lift attendants” to be present 24/7
http://www.theindependent.sg/all-3-lifts-at-an-ang-mo-kio-block-are-defective-requiring-lift-attendants-to-be-present-247/
Smart nation.
Smart government.
Smart nation.
ReplyDeleteSmart government.
December 13, 2017 7:11 pm
But the voters are fucking dumb.
How can daft Sinkies deserve Smart Nation? Isn't this a misnomer or mis-normal?
ReplyDelete8.56am //I have no confidence in driverless cars//
ReplyDeleteHow many sinkies have confidence in "driverless garberment"?
Typo ...
Delete* "driverless garbagement" ...
hi 7.43pm
ReplyDelete79.9%!
Correct?
U witch or wizard?
DeleteIt should b term as eyeless n brainless tech.
ReplyDeleteMany yrs ago i did went aboard a us carrierer and feel the body of a f35
ReplyDelete.like- cardboard.dat was many yrs ago.
If driverless robot killed some pedestrians, will "it"/ how to bring it to court of justice?
ReplyDeleteWho will be culpable and send to jail?
Another case of (bor niao, water go inside brain) cho liao za pak syn (Hokkien, fark first, worry abt hiv later?)
They are deploying the F35s, operational, but told the suckers it is full of problems. So no need to deliver but keep collecting more money to solve fictitious never ending problems. The dumb fuckers just keep paying like little school boys.
ReplyDeleteWhen they tell you smart nation, they mean telling us that they are smart in squeezing, fixing, deflecting, checking ownself, praising ownself etc.
ReplyDeleteOf course the daft sinkies can never be smart. They are all already brain-dead zombies.
The dumb fuckers just keep paying like little school boys.
ReplyDeleteDecember 13, 2017 8:49 pm
Are the dumb fuckers, the PAP government or Singaporeans?
Lao hero // It would be a different story if we are volunteering to be the guinea pig to test run driverless cars on our road while knowing that it is an untested technology and many things can go wrong? //
ReplyDeleteAiya uncle,
Another eg. of "nvr grow brain lah" (in cinese aka mei zhang nao?)
Scraping the bottom of the barrel le?
What Industry Transformation?
What Bespoke roadmap?
But at least better than kuehlapis "theory"?
Other than going into vice trade and economy and property mkt & banking sector etc pulled along by vice trade and leg open big big (prostituting population) policy, what other (CONSTRUCTIVE) way have the (JLB) Botaknomics and Lagoanomics contributed to the economy the way olf guards like gks and tcc had achieved for the red dot?
Performance inversely proportional to remunerations?
The pittance the old guards like gks and tcc got contributed gigomous benefits
But the billions and billions paid under laogoanomics and botaknomics have brought from 1st world to 3rd world mrt (pathetic) std?
Now, there is much worst in the form of harakirilogy?
Million $$$ ceo need more supervision?
Should cry or laugh?
Yew said lah?
Old ginger wine laukokok bean //
ReplyDeleteWhat is in it for us? //
U said leh?
What if botaknomics or laogoanomics or harakirilogy kena hit?
Will that happen?
Lao hero //Still believing that the Americans would share their cutting edge technologies with outsiders?//
ReplyDeleteTo paraphrase, still believing the ang moh and western uni dons and researchers will share their latest technology, knowledge and discoveries?
U still thinking u getting the best education the west have to offer and not outdated knowledge (that are a waste of time, energy, resources, youth, tax payers hard-earned etc?)
Could all these be a farce?
Lao hero //Still believing that the Americans would share their cutting edge technologies with outsiders?//
ReplyDeleteDecember 13, 2017 10:40 pm
Lao hero
Still believing that PAP will share the fruits of the Singapore economy with Singaporeans?
"With you, For you" ??
Could all these be a farce?
Ah Teo
What do you think?
Lao Hero //We even erected another barrier in MRT stations costing millions to prevent people from jumping on the tracks.//
ReplyDeleteAiya uncle, the paper generals think the world works in a straight line lah ...?
If can jump onto tracks, then cannot jump in front of driverless cars or trams in front pf a crowded bus stop when harakiri roll them out in 2022?
How is the driverless car or tram going to avoid?
Lao hero //Just hope that we are not being made a sucker to test other people’s product and system and if things go awry, our people got killed or injured.//
ReplyDeleteAiya uncle, many angmohs are full of bs but pretend to be superior?
But the JLBs deem associating with angmohs is atas?
So the masses become the suckers by paying the price and footing the bills?
Lao hero //Still believing that the Americans would share their cutting edge technologies with outsiders?//
ReplyDeleteStill believing that the Dotard would share the "wisdom" of Balaplocy and reciprocate the SGD20b boeing order?
Yeah?
Dotard immediately showed the middle finger by announcing that USD22B Broadcom is pulling out of red dot and relocating back in Dotardland ...?
Is that a public slap on Balaplocy?
After letting the guy fark already then he went public and said the hole very loose not shiok?
Somemore is toh tiap (with SGD20b)?
Lao hero // Is it worth it?//
ReplyDeleteAs loooong as the test drives are not in rich people and politicians estates, what do yew think?
What is the price of (cheapskate) oldies lives (in the eyes of the ex geenrals)?
Dispenable pests such mice or guinea pigs?
Lao Hero //If it is new, untested, why should we buy and pay to be the guinea pig?//
ReplyDeleteAiya uncle, in the early days, how old are u?
Still a sch boy, tiok bo?
So too precious to use as guinea pig lah?
And also then there was no existence of harakirilogy ma?
Now PG how old liao?
Also got plenty (new aliens) from what have yew land to replace the dying oldies PG mah?
Consider economically not productive liao (under laogoanomics & bitaknomics)?
To make yall productive again in a last hurray, ie, guinea pigs lah like mice for scientific purposes in the form of driverless car or tram test drive lor?
To be of economic value at this laukokok age is your luck, ok?
So dun kpkb ...
No brainers, brain-deads and daft Sinkies, without morals and ethics, are habitually talking cock like singing songs. Pathetically stupid.
ReplyDeleteStupidity has no cure. Arrogance is stupidity multipled manifolds.
Do you think PAP Leeders are dotards?
ReplyDeleteSpend millions of dollars putting up protective doors and barriers at MRT stations to prevent people from jumping or walking in front of the train.
And now they want to introduce driver-less cars.
Dotards or Fucktards?
ReplyDeleteDriverless cars - the dafts need it!
ReplyDelete