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11/14/2014
LKY – Two articles drew more than 200 comments in TRE
Two articles, “Disrespectful to say LKY doesn’t deserve to be an MP” and “Ungrateful to criticise LKY” have attracted 131 and 97 comments so far. The gist of the discussion is about the amount of money paid to LKY as an MP. Some were not happy that LKY was only paid $16k as an MP and there were criticisms that he should not even be paid that amount, two different and opposing schools of thoughts.
Is respect to a person all about money? And how much should LKY or other ministers be paid to be respectful? It would be nice to look at the full picture instead of just talking about the last drawn basic pay. To really appreciate what is going on, perhaps someone could collate the gross sum of money paid to the top 10 ministers over their full career as politicians and ministers.
The final sum should include everything that is legitimate and legally paid to them as politician/ministers, ie basic salary, bonuses, allowances, and other legitimate and official appointments associated with their political office. This would take some time and a lot of effort but definitely would not take 56 man years.
Leong Sze Hian and company have a job cut out for them to settle this issue for the people who are showing respect and disrespect to the top ministers. At least the people would know how many millions have been paid to each of them and whether these are respectful relative to their contributions to the country. Blindly screaming paying LKY $16k a month is uttering rubbish and totally out of context. And to make judgments based on this miserable $16k pm as a measure of respect or disrespect is for the simple minded.
What do you think?
Kopi Level - Green
In Singapore, the local culture dictates that you are defined by how much you earn. Just face the fucking facts lah, you wimp-losers...you cannot fight culture.
ReplyDeleteIf you earn big money, then you've earned the right for people to kow tow to you and lick your balls and around the erotically-sensitive parts of your anus -- in the hope that with every slurp of their greedy tongues they'll get some of "The Essence Of Suck-cess" such that this magical essence will transform them into a person as awesome as yourself.
Therefore it is quite within the context of Singaporean culture that the govt pays itself enough money so that the people cower in awe and disbelief.
I defend the govt. high salaries. They have earned every cent of their pay.
Why? Because you, The People, are fucked in your collective head and will swallow bullshit without question like a bunch of desperate crack-whores swallowing the cum of their $20 Johns.
Get on your knees, useless minions!
Sad to say, all these 'well-taken care' treatment to LKY didn't translate to better treatment of the aged senior citizens as a whole, whom you can see many still struggling for a living if you eat often at hawker centers.
ReplyDeleteIf you're not the rich and powerful ones, Singapore is a shitty place to retire in. That's why I don't blame those people who carry blue ICs refusing to change them into pink ICs.
who say cpf not ours? when our parents die, sell away. it ours.
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ReplyDeleteThis is a......
No Money No Talk!
No Money No Talk!
.......world!
Cheers.
@ die-die stubborn 1117:
ReplyDelete>> when our parents die, sell away. it ours. <<
Why wait? If you kill your parents right now, you can have it immediately ;-)
@ lust for love:
ReplyDelete>> Singapore is a shitty place to retire in.
Perhaps you are right. Lee Kuan Yew is past 90 and he still hasn't retired. ;-)
no need i ownself kill. society will. everyday don't know how many commit suicide. met a few myself. new post updated. hate to write blog. but no choice. waited very long for someone to bring about fairness in singapore. time up.
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not forgetting the medical benefits given to the mp/ministers and families as not everytime only need to pay $8. how about travel allowances?almost every minister travel for 'business' few times a year bringing their family along
ReplyDeleteBro, ever see a whole company of doctors, administrators, nurses what have you all in medical outfits followed the PMs, ministers out of SGH when they go for their medical checkups ???
DeleteOr for their circumcise?!!?
16K for doing no work? Hard to justify. Not even on past glory or contributions!
ReplyDeleteWhy does this old man still want to cling on to this position? Surely not because of the money. His law firm can give him much more than that!
The sight of him being propped up for public viewing actually does more harm than good.And it invites legitimate question why public fund is expended for an questionable purpose.
Similar question was also asked at the Woman Tennis Finals in Singapore.
Why were two of our finest Ministers flanking a sweating tennis star in the closing ceremony? I do not see this being done in other country.
Maybe WP is keeping quiet about all these things for a good reason. Time is not ripe to talk about them.
ReplyDeleteFollowing Zhuge Liang's death, the Shu forces quietly withdrew from their camps while not revealing news of Zhuge's death.
ReplyDeleteSima Yi was convinced by the locals that Zhuge Liang had died, so he gave chase to the retreating enemy.....
Common folklore tells of a double, or a wooden statue, disguised as Zhuge Liang, driving Sima Yi away in this incident. Another folktale tells that Jiang Wei dressed up as Zhuge Liang.
In any case, word that Sima Yi fled from the already dead Zhuge Liang spread, spawning a popular saying, "A dead Zhuge scares away a living Zhongda (Sima Yi's courtesy name)" (死諸葛嚇走活仲達).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Wuzhang_Plains
As long as there is LKY.
Nobody is ready to be government.
Even WP and Low TK.
One word sums it all - KARMA my fellow travellers KARMA.
ReplyDeleteFolklore aside, the Man has an aura. It is distinctive and strong, despite his ruthlessness and intellect, the Aura induces much respectability and even fear. Nature endows him well and some rever him though not all.
ReplyDeleteLee Kuan Yews' Reputation and or fame shall stay for a while, however, history shall not just reflect his calibre, his deed will be weighed in too. Hard to tell if he will leave a good name and the Name shall bear upon his successors(kins).
It is quite obvious that his Son Lee Hsien Loong does not possess similar characteristics. As a Prime Minister for two terms now and MAY even goes for a Third, Hsien Loong has effected the Image of Lee Kwan Yew.
Reward the Man as much as possible whether due to the Office he holds or as apppreciation. There is no doubt that he will leave it to others for there is no way he can use much of his fortune. So, do not begrudge his dues and rewards.
patriot
By all means calculate the entire amount he's earned. It's not just the amount that needs to be calculated. Will a calculation also be done to reflect the worth of the money earned earlier in today's context? That is, how much would $1,000 in 1965 be equivalent to today? $5k, $6k.
ReplyDeleteAnd don't forget to throw in his pension and all his other benefits, such as being able to order a completely outfitted plane to fly his sick wife back from the UK - for free - because she wasn't being attended to At Once. How much is the ability to ask and Get that worth? How much is power and prestige worth?
Why does he need to work anyway? He could have pursued interests he is supposed to have given up to rule Spore. Or did he not give up anything to rule Spore? Is he so one-dimensional that all he is is a political animal? Legends are surely more than that.
Whatever it is, it is puzzling why the rules LKY applied to others don't apply to him. That is, no work, no money etc etc! After all, he has been living by His rule - nothing is for free. So his name, his reputation is not free. However, others are doing his MP duties - and have been for more than a decade.
It is also puzzling why at 91 he still needs so much money - he is getting a pension and directors' fees for GIC for eg. Not enough?
Is his family not able to support him? I note there were no pix of a Family celebration of his 91st birthday. Was there one? Wouldn't a pic of that have given family bonding a boost? Are we not allowed to see him as a man, a father, a granddad? Would the legend be so easily destroyed? Or is he an empty shell behind his political front? Is he really a puppet as portrayed at his party's 60th anniversary? My god, his son stood a clear 5ft away, as if his father had some communicable disease.
Whatever it is, that pathetic picture seemed to indicate that the PAP is nothing without LKY.
If LKY needs money badly, he can sell his house, as other old people have been advised. It is worth a pretty penny, even though property prices have dribbled down a bit. He should also live within his means. Again, this is advice the rest of us get.
Mind you, I don't dislike him. He did a good job as the face of Spore. He was very persuasive and a fantastic speaker. I am particularly grateful for all the trees and greenery he was gungho about. But this, which I consider his best contribution, is now being destroyed! Wholesale.... It is being totally trivialised.
Whatever it is, he is not god, he is not even of the same calibre as say Gandhi. And we should stop treating him as if he is. Stop insulting him with the terrible fawning and ass-kissing that he's being subjected to.
LKY's exhortation to us in the 70s: An honest day's work for an honest day's wage!
DeleteHow much does he wants? $100m, $200m, $400m? How much do you think he has paid in the last 20 years?
ReplyDeleteso if singapore is a unfair sociey, why bother how jover chew do his business. it is his own business leh. he ownself pay rent, pay goods. he want sell how much is he problem. destroy singapore education in what way? mas selamat ran, got ppl sack?
ReplyDeleteso is fair society, or unfair society? pls make this objective right. our minister no objective. one moment say this. one moment say that. work under this kind of people. one day resign already. wonder their degree is how ah? really can't get it. they dont even know how to set objective. worth high pay meh.
http://unresolvedgrievances.blogspot.sg/
reputation
ReplyDeleteHaving Great Power is similar to a man riding on the back of a Tiger. Once a person managed to stay on top, people around him will fear him, partly because of the tiger.
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately, the man on the back of the tiger cannot dismount. He will be eaten by the same tiger that gives him power.
Sound familiar?
In this world where the system is based on the rich get richer and the poor get debts, there is already no true justice. The isis know that very well.
ReplyDeleteThe only way to stop terrorism is to re-install true justice.
ReplyDeletethat mean i can sell my mee kia tar at $10. why bothers? why hawker association must control?
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it the same as selling handphone at high price. not consider cheating under ten commandments? no need to stone to death? than have religion for what? all getting no logic anymore because they never set a rule.
ReplyDeleteso i want sell my 3 room flat at sk at 1 million also can. why hdb must bother? pay money for valuation for what? it my own house what.
so want a fair society or not fair society? say properly. need degree or not need degree? all same pap all talk diff. i very worry u know. even pap prove every man for himself. lhl really poor thing.
cheating no need go jail. why u bother what property agent do? why need insurance agent buy indemnity insurance for what.
ReplyDeleteTio tiok lah mah leh wah lau eh boh?
ReplyDeleteThe rich gets richer, the poor gets to make babies for GDP growth so the rich can get even richer. Sweet.
ReplyDeleteBut why would PM Lee care what Sinkies think about his father as a "do nothing" MP yet drawing $16K per month MP allowance? So what?
ReplyDeleteEspecially when the strongest opposition leader is not ready and also has no ambition to be PM and even praised PM Lee govt as competent?
LKY is an endangered species.
ReplyDeleteHe needs protection.
He is going to be extinct soon.
Indranee deserve the extra MP pay (most of it). She do the job.
ReplyDeleteWhy are people so unkind to this LucKY minnow?
ReplyDeleteBecause he is surrounded by LacKYs.
ReplyDelete"Bro, ever see a whole company of doctors, administrators, nurses what have you all in medical outfits followed the PMs, ministers out of SGH when they go for their medical checkups ???"
ReplyDeleteVirgo49 7:53 am
Maybe the PM and ministers in the above scenario can even be Teochew Ah Hia or Hainan Ah Ko if their parties are ready to be govt?
Or for that matter any Sinkie too, if they lead a party which is ready to be govt?
/// Bro, ever see a whole company of doctors, administrators, nurses what have you all in medical outfits followed the PMs, ministers out of SGH when they go for their medical checkups ??? ///
ReplyDeleteNovember 15, 2014 7:53 am
If this is true;
I guess maybe it's no wonder PAP Ministers think Singapore has the best healthcare system in the world.
I always thought PAP Ministers have to queue at the A&E just like everybody else!
ROFL at my own sarcasm.
One tele call, the whole contingent of doctors, nurses and medical staff fall in and stand by station. Queue up???
DeleteYou want to chiak kia kee???
Had seen scenes many times as used to bring deceased mum for checkup.
Right up to State car and opened door just like the MPs on NDP parade.
Only do not know how to salute.
I would like to know who pays the salary of the person who stands behind him and props him up everytime he needs to stand. This person should be paid from Lee's own salary and not incur additional taxpayers' expenditure. We want transparency please.
ReplyDeleteI'm sure the govt will not agree to grant WP's MPs any additional funds for servants to hold up their bodies, right?
of cos all costs bear by taxpayers lah, you think lucky son will help save costs and wash his daddy dirty underwear?
ReplyDeleteRight b, so far ever heard of any Minister, MPs making donations to charity organisations???
DeleteEven in President Challenge, only grace occasion. Where got see any donations from them. Only the average and not di average Singaporeans made donations.
The rich got not loose change to help the poor.