2/06/2013

Pro Sinkie or pro foreigner policies better



The WP proposal put up by Chen Show Mao came under immediate attack by the PAP bench. The WP’s proposal is basically to tap on the big pool of unemployed or underemployed Sinkies to the sum of 1.2m people. These people can go to waste, remain unemployed or underemployed but could be economically productive if they are returned to the workforce. What is so wrong with this? Why ignore them totally?

The PAP’s White Paper is about bringing in more foreigners, diluting the Sinkie element to about 50% by 2030. Between the two proposals, which one is more pro Sinkie and which is more pro foreigner?

Can the WP proposal work, fully, partially, it would mean more Sinkies in the workforce and lesser need to import more foreigners. Why can’t the PAP look into it to see if there are some merits and useful recommendations that can be incorporated into the bigger plan? Why must it be rejected lock, stock and barrel? NG!

Can the PAP proposal be moderated? Is it a no way out option that without the huge influx of foreigners, it cannot work? The foreigner content seems to be the core of the future workforce. And the foreigners are really here to improve the core of Sinkies by reducing the percentage of Sinkies in the country? I have a bit of problem trying to disentangle the logic or fallacy of the arguments.

51 comments:

  1. It gives the lie to the talk that the White Paper was meant to generate discussion and does not set a target of 6.9million population doesn`t it? Years down the line when things go badly they will cry and confess that they were blind-sighted.Then it will be too late.

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  2. We know which MPs to vote out in 2016. Those that are NOT pro-Singaporean should be kicked out lock, stock and barrel!

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  3. Elect a Member of Parliament which actually represents your interest! Make our political system more democratic and well represented.

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  4. Knn what else can I say as I damn piss off

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  5. We need to see if PAP will lift the Party Whip and allow their PAP MPs to suka, suka vote.

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  6. Of course, Pro Sinkie is better. I like local born local bred. Our saviour Chen Show Mao, the only opposition scholar who can fight with scholar has spoken, the ONE who can deliver us from the abyss and misery. He showed us the WAY out.

    Although the govt said they already have been doing it, but I say we should do more to attract these housewives to come out from hiding to work, like Chen said. We should increase wages to attract these people, never mind if they are landlords driving BMWs, or wives of successful businessmen, or simply housewives staying home to take care of kids. If 10% cannot, then 20% or 30% increase until these women come out.

    Cost of living go up ?

    SMEs kaput ?

    Never mind. Not my problem. Haha

    I will suggest some more in next few days. Just shoot lah, never mind one. And PAP will reject, and then we say WP got suggest but all kanna shoot down.

    All we win.

    I Patriot

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  7. If there are 1.2 million locals who are un or under employed, then why must we import all the FT, it just did not make any sense!!!

    There must be a total disconnect somewhere!!!

    $$$$$ must be the issue....
    1) Government wants more LEVY....
    2) Business wants less CPF/ Child care leave/ NS leave.
    3) Business wants more for their bottom line.

    We are in a DEATH TRAP!!!!

    The 5.9/6.9 scenario only works in an "ANIMAL FARM", even that, needs to be peaceful in our surroundings... any recession/depression, any trouble in the neighbourhood, and ....... ITE....

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  8. $$$$$$$ surely is the issue.

    Either we pass a law to mandate local businesses to a minimum wage law for local women to work, something like $4000 a month to compensate them, it is hard to attract. Else these people just stay at home. Maybe rb should do a poll how much need pay them to come out.

    Businesses can argue that they will lose money and close shop. I say, just let them kaput. Some may even dare say they will pass higher costs to consumers. But that is govt problem, we will talk about that in a different time.

    I Patriot

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  9. Increased land use.
    More MRT trains

    Where is the money going to come from?

    From higher taxes on Singaporeans.
    That's where.

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  10. Firstly, the 6.9 millions is all about money and minting vote counts. Bluntly said : Power Crazy Greedy Bastard.

    Secondly, you can KPKB until the cow come home, but sadly to say, the infamous toilet paper will be approved and endorsed by same "Power Crazy Greedy Bastard".

    When they found that they are losing all arguments and no way out. Then as usual, out comes the infamous Party Whip. As if you people don't know ?

    Lan lan boh pian, squeeze our balls and wait till GE2016.

    PS - Pls join Gilbert @ Hong Lim Park on the 16 Feb. Coz, "Tak Boleh Tahan", already.

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  11. Yes !

    Remember COME & SUPPORT us !!

    Don't talk and do poll only !!

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  12. A debate about Singaporeans' future degenerated into concern about supplying foreign workers to foreign companies.

    Makes me wonder what $2 companies are up to.

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  13. Pro meritocracy policies are the best.

    Let the best win, be they local or foreign.

    Let's stick to Lee Kwan Yew's original idea of exposing Singaporeans to the open free market of global competition, and the sweet taste of winning when you top the best in the world.

    It won't happen overnight, but sow the seeds of unfettered meritocracy now, and in time the culture will change.

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  14. Sinkies so weak how to handle the competition ?

    Don't talk about compete yet; here sinkies fighting about who get bigger slice of cake and crying unfair. A spoilt bunch of people.

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  15. @anon 223:

    >> A spoilt bunch of people.

    No doubt. Extremely spoilt. And also extremely lucky -- they beat virtually every other cuntree in the world when it came to achieving "success" starting from near absolute zero as a pariah cast out from a federation. (expulsion, forced secession from the Federation of Malaya).

    Extremely spoilt, but so little gratitude.

    To continue on with the PAP govt (actually a bunch loyal thugs who protect because they are paid handsomely to do so) "protecting" them is unsustainable and has put the cuntree on the path of "uncompetitiveness" and "decreased productivity".

    So, something has to be done.

    Got comparative advantage?

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  16. The people sinkies need to be grateful to have mostly died.

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  17. Young Singaporeans.
    This is your fate.
    Vote wisely in GE 2016.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21302065

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  18. i was an adult when s'pore was kicked out of the federation. s'pore certainly wasn't at point near absolute zero at that time. matilda singapore giving lky too much credit. minus a riot or two, the 60s was an enjoyable time. we had fun in those days. real fun. unlike now.

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  19. Oldman type of meritocracy; don't bluff yourself Matilda. So much concentration of brains, skills, opportunities & wealth in that familee. Who are you trying to bluff?

    S'pore had always been more prosperous than surronding countries because of our strategic God-given, natural disaster-protected location in the Straits of Malacca even before LKY was born.
    That is the reason the British chose Singapore to be their SE Asia HQ & RR centre, 200 years ago.

    PAP is introducing new gigantic risks through extreme high %Foreigners & fluid capital which will be disastrous for Singapore economy when a real Recession comes.

    Foolish to trust paper generals who are good only in controlled environment. They are shooting Singapore and Singaporeans own feet.

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  20. "Got comparative advantage? February 06, 2013 2:32 pm"
    SM Chen - so intelligent, brave and handsome.
    PM Lee - so naive, cow and boring.

    MS- do not lie lah. You are too intoxicated by all the cheap foreign toxic whores. Better clean up your body, mind and soul before you start to regret.

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  21. 'Pro meritocracy policies are the best.' - getting his son to take over his seat is the best. meritocracy is just another propaganda, fool.

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  22. Invest in toilet paper better than invest in pap white paper.

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  23. Singaporeans are generally the best, most reliable and most hardworking PMETs in the world. Don't believe the demeaning propaganda.
    As a Singaporean boss I anytime prefer to hire Singaporeans as accountants and administrators.
    Of course as a boss I need to pay high wages to get quality.

    Well done! Singaporean PMETs.

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  24. "SMEs kaput ?"- I agree.
    SMEs are mainly owned by foreigners and employing mainly foreigners for a long time. Eliminating them is right thing. Our highly intelligent and highly well paid gov can then attract better SMEs that employ locals to take over them else we should also eliminate them.

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  25. @anon 441:

    Don't worry about me lah. I like my "dirty" lifestyle for many reasons, but right now simply because it makes losers like you so jealous you can't help telling me what to do ;-)

    Got fun-in-your-life?

    @anon 425:

    Dude, Just like you, I am an old cock. I grew up in the 60's and 70's. I remember the fun -- the long hair, the $15-20 fine for getting caught smoking ganja (pre 1973) which you could buy for around one dollar, and then go and bang your alo-stoned girlfriend (or boyfriend -- whatever floats your boat) at Changi beach, where you still could pitch a tent and camp. Damn fun lah.

    Singapore was not "absolute zero" for those employed or who's businesses was doing well. For many -- they didn't even have proper sanitation. Still on septic tanks or nightsoil collection. There was over-crowding in the shop houses and kampongs -- yes, still got kampongs.

    Of course it wasn't all LKy's doing. But he and his team did keep Singapore from going into civil war and with Goh Keng Swee's brilliant mind helped the development.

    Of course, the Brits had already installed the mechanisms and legal structures for Singapore to go ahead in a peaceful way, which luckily, it did.

    Please lah. I don't just know history. I was there and a part of it.

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  26. 16 Feb 430pm at Hong Lim ParkFebruary 06, 2013 5:23 pm

    Urging all my fellow Singaporeans and especially those from Hougang, GRC Aljunied and Punggol East to "stand-up" and be "counted" at Hong Lim Park on 16 Feb at 430pm.
    Show to PAP MPs who have been "thrashing" and "belittling" our Minority Opposition MPs during the Parliamentary debates to "GET OFF" the backs of Opposition MPs as well as WE THE CITIZENS OF SINGAPORE!!!!!

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  27. RB, "Pro Sinkie or pro foreigner policies better"
    If you ask sinkie, sinkie will respond 'sinkie'.
    If you ask MS, MS will respond 'foreigners but only the females ones'.
    Even a dog knows how to guard its territory, PAP is really asking for the sky. Never vote for pussy action party.

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  28. "it makes losers like you so jealous you can't help telling me what to do "
    - I am only concerned about you cos I like reading your posts.

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  29. Wah. I'm flattered. And touched ...but not in the way a little boy is touched by his priest ;-)

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  31. @anon 531:

    >> If you ask MS, MS will respond 'foreigners but only the females ones'.

    Wow! This person really understands me!However I need to qualify. There are too many fat farang women. I support a pro-hot foreign female program.

    The rest who don't make it: get to a gym, stop eating cheeseburgers and ice cream, and shave your armpits and mustaches!

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  32. How many Millionaire Ministers do we have in the Prime Minister's Orifice?

    Anybody know what they are doing to earn their pay?

    Raymond Lim?
    Lim Swee Say?
    Wong Kan Seng?

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  34. The PAP attack dog has returned and been unleashed to attack for the sake of attacking. Attack any proposal by opp party but yet not his party for its extraordinarily evil population Toilet paper. The dog sure is loyal to its master without questioning, just like all Lackey dogs.

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  35. First the casinos for the asia richest, now we need many hot foreign females to work as social escorts. No wonder an increase of young east europeans women in spore these days. Next, they will legalise the selling of soft drugs. Greed knows no boundaries. It is a vicious cycle.

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  36. In the early 1970s LKY's PAP policy of stop at two was pointed out by the people especially by Doctor Toh Chin Chye that it was wrong and a ill conceived policy. But nevertheless the stop at two policy was rammed down on the people arrogantly with great disrespect for people's feelings. The stop at two policy eventually turned out to be a disaster for the city state.

    When Tony Tan keng Yam was a minister of education he limited the take in for legal and medical studies in Singapore University to 300 students per each faculty. Again people raised objections to this shortsighted policy. However , just as the stop at two policy, it was carried out without any concern for the people. The policy was an utter failure for soon the city state found that there was a very great shortage of lawyers and doctors and the government was obliged to recruit foreign talents to fill up the shortage.

    There had been too many failures by the PAP government to recall and this policy to import foreign population will be one in the series of many present and future failures. In the end it is always the people who will ultimately bear the brunt of the suffering from these PAP shorted sighted policies and failures.

    Eagles Eye

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  37. If you are average, want a house and a car and a job, do not depend on your sinky gov, you are better off depending on yourself somewhere else.

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  38. LSL is very sly, whatever outcome, head he wins, tails he still wins.

    If he wins the vote on the paper, overall wins.

    If against, citizens will vote for the MPs who voted against the paper comes 2016, as they are seen independent.

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  39. "LSL is very sly, whatever outcome, head he wins, tails he still wins."

    Please don't give credit to this imbecile. He is most stupid pm i ever seen still pretending that he is smart.

    The reason that this clown still pm is because the Singapore is dictatorial oppressive regime.

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  40. Maybe got employment agency - ACE Pte Ltd, - Action Corporate Employment, make money from all the FT placement?

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  41. STFORUM Online

    [Yes, we are enjoying the good life]

    "MISS Tan Lin Neo summed up perfectly the S'porean situation ("High cost of living comes with good quality of life"; Monday).

    We have indeed made great strides in the last 30 years or so.

    Rajasegaran Ramasamy"

    http://www.straitstimes.com/premium/forum-letters/story/yes-we-are-enjoying-the-good-life-20130207

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  42. STForum

    "WHY are so many people upset with the Population White Paper?

    Instead of applauding the Govt for being forward-thinking, people are hitting out at it.

    To fellow S'poreans: Please stay calm. Read the whole story and you will realise that our country is in good hands.

    Rose Tan Hoon Hoon (Ms)"

    http://www.straitstimes.com/premium/forum-letters/story/population-white-paper-weakness-was-how-message-was-conveyed-20130207

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    1. Must be a pro- PAP supporter who worries that her life of luxury may come yo an end when they are kicked out of gov't.

      Enjoying immense benefits now at the expense of others snd all these might just vaporise in the near guture

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  43. TR EMERITUS

    [SBF hits out at WP’s proposal of no further growth in foreign workers]

    "TR Emeritus did a cursory check on SBF’s website to see who are the people running SBF. It appears that its Trustees and management are in some way linked to the Govt:

    http://www.tremeritus.com/2013/02/06/sbf-hits-out-at-wps-proposal-of-no-further-growth-in-foreign-workers/

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  44. TR EMERITUS

    [PAP will stop pushing for new facilities and improvements for Punggol East]

    "Former NMP Siew Kum Hong said that PAP wants voters to understand their votes have consequences. However, he didn’t think such a move will help PAP win back Punggol East."

    http://www.tremeritus.com/2013/02/06/teo-well-stop-pushing-for-new-facilities-and-improvements-for-punggol-east/

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  45. Business Insider

    [The 10 Most Expensive Cities In The World]

    "#6 Singapore.

    Singapore ranked #9 last year. The current cost of living index is 135."

    http://www.businessinsider.com/the-10-most-expensive-world-cities-2013-2?op=1

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  46. STFORUM Online

    [Quality of life not the same as standard of living]

    "MISS TAN Lin Neo ("High cost of living comes with good quality of life"; Monday) has confused the concept of "quality of life" with "standard of living".

    They are neither mutually equivalent nor naturally reciprocal.

    Let us recognise that the present high tide we are riding is not one that has lifted all boats.

    The Govt is eminently capable of ameliorating the situation by implementing policies to help the stranded.

    Yik Keng Yeong (Dr)"

    http://www.straitstimes.com/premium/forum-letters/story/quality-life-not-the-same-standard-living-20130207

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  47. Yahoo! / Reuters

    [S'pore plans rare protest as population debate rages]

    "Protest organiser Gilbert Goh said he hoped to attract 1,000 people to the Feb 16 event at Speakers' Corner, a designated park exempt from strict govt controls over assemblies, speeches and outdoor protests.

    Nearly 1,100 people said on a Facebook page they will or may join the demonstration..."

    http://sg.news.yahoo.com/singapore-plans-rare-protest-population-debate-rages-124703195--sector.html

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  48. FeedMeToTheFish's latest

    [10 Days to "Say No To 6.9M"]

    "In doing the countdown on my blog everyday, I am helping Gilbert Goh of transitioning.org to attract peace loving S'poreans who cares and love their children and grandchildren to come to Hong Lim Park to send a message to the PAP govt that we are tired of being treated like idiots.

    In the words of WP's Muhamad Faisal, we want a "Singaporean Singapore" without 6.9 million in 2030.

    My extended family and I will be there.

    Will you?"

    http://feedmetothefish.blogspot.sg/2013/02/10-days-to-say-no-to-69m.html

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  49. Tattler's latest

    [Khaw Doublespeak]

    "At least one member was not asleep when Khaw went into the standard spiel about "substantial price discount", "housing grants", and "affordability" during the Parliament session of Tuesday 4th February .

    MP for Nee Soon GRC Lee Bee Wah was like, excusez-moi, "If I heard correctly just now, minister mentioned that the resale price of the flats in the vicinity is taken into consideration. I thought recently minister mentioned the price of new BTO flat has just been de-linked from the resale price?"

    Khaw's response has to be classic text book doublespeak: .."

    http://singaporedesk.blogspot.sg/2013/02/khaw-doublespeak.html

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  50. That was a jem fron Lee Bee Wah.
    Ex Malaysians giving Sinkies a light moment.
    Minister Khaw must be the best double speak ruler in the world, he is really an expert at it. When his double speaks are delivered with smiles.......wow, jialat for everyone. One gets sold without knowing, damn dangerous living under him.

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