tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17473688.post4547061203026957308..comments2024-03-29T22:35:40.298+08:00Comments on My Singapore News: Our history book is flawed.Chua Chin Leng aka redbeanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11743716923635835397noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17473688.post-73015010955596487242009-04-28T16:54:00.000+08:002009-04-28T16:54:00.000+08:00Who ever controls the country will create its own ...Who ever controls the country will create its own version of history — usually goes along the lines of:<br /><br /><I> "The country was in a mess. Then 'We' took over and the country prospered" </I>Nothing wrong with that. People need to believe their 'saviours' are noble and pure.Ⓜatilah $ingapura⚠️https://www.blogger.com/profile/02652498247201967379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17473688.post-84474527213659095632009-04-28T08:30:00.000+08:002009-04-28T08:30:00.000+08:00the issue is independence of a nation state. as fo...the issue is independence of a nation state. as for the individual level, in many instances, no matter what systems, they are the same to the poor and weak. they will always be exploited in a matter of degree.Chua Chin Leng aka redbeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11743716923635835397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17473688.post-35253175284292593162009-04-27T23:22:00.000+08:002009-04-27T23:22:00.000+08:00Redbean;
You have just written part of the Singap...Redbean;<br /><br />You have just written part of the Singapore History as i have experienced it.<br /><br />As regard the Independence of the State of Singapore, it carried little meaning to the inhabitants then. It was just a change of a set of administrators. There was hardly any change to the quality of livings.<br /><br />If You do a poll, most of the old folks would not be able to make any Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17473688.post-71556751481906005552009-04-27T18:00:00.000+08:002009-04-27T18:00:00.000+08:00if self govt was independence, david marshall woul...if self govt was independence, david marshall would not have been so disgusted by it and resigned.<br /><br />if self government was independence, lim yew hock would have proclaimed it on his return from london. but it was not, it was just plain self govt, no independence. they don't invent the words self government for nothing.<br /><br />we were still ruled by a british governor till yusoff Chua Chin Leng aka redbeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11743716923635835397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17473688.post-36770585331989424012009-04-27T14:56:00.000+08:002009-04-27T14:56:00.000+08:00History is also sometines written with plenty of b...History is also sometines written with plenty of bias. Just look at the history of the Japanese occupation of China, Korea and SEA. The Japanese have one version, the rest of the Asian countries have another. Nobody has the last say after more than half a century. They are still arguing, like us.<br /><br />Lost CitizenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17473688.post-66896575317624576762009-04-27T13:50:00.000+08:002009-04-27T13:50:00.000+08:00Redbean, 1.44pm. Just substitute every occurrence ...Redbean, 1.44pm. Just substitute every occurrence of the word British in your comment with PAP.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17473688.post-91228286730239587392009-04-27T13:47:00.000+08:002009-04-27T13:47:00.000+08:00We cannot even freely elect our own representative...We cannot even freely elect our own representatives in Parliament. What independence are you talking about, redbean? In my opinion, we are still being colonised. It's just that our new masters look and sound like us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17473688.post-63128971155318815472009-04-27T13:44:00.000+08:002009-04-27T13:44:00.000+08:00i raise this issue for discussion for one purpose....i raise this issue for discussion for one purpose. we may have our our biases over issues and people. but we cannot allow our biases to result in being untruthful to facts and truth. the least we owe ourself is to be true to truth.<br /><br />some definition of independence may regard the term self governed, partial or full, as independence. but for full independence, it must embody all the Chua Chin Leng aka redbeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11743716923635835397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17473688.post-25747075209369951952009-04-27T12:34:00.000+08:002009-04-27T12:34:00.000+08:00true. someone want to define what is the officiall...true. someone want to define what is the officially accepted meaning of independence?Chua Chin Leng aka redbeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11743716923635835397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17473688.post-74773865626184960332009-04-27T12:10:00.000+08:002009-04-27T12:10:00.000+08:00Redbean, that is just your interpretation of the w...Redbean, that is just your interpretation of the word 'independent'. That unhappy father had a different idea, and he is not entirely wrong either. You yourself had inferred in your blog post that there are multiple versions of history. Who's to say your version is correct, whereas the unhappy father's one is not?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17473688.post-17594437462622807212009-04-27T09:55:00.000+08:002009-04-27T09:55:00.000+08:00you are right, and it is a fact that history is wr...you are right, and it is a fact that history is written by the victors. but the fact that was not an independent state during lim yew hock's time is a historical fact. it was still a british colony given some self rule.Chua Chin Leng aka redbeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11743716923635835397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17473688.post-41843405742798314352009-04-27T09:41:00.000+08:002009-04-27T09:41:00.000+08:00Redbean, you get your so-called historical facts f...Redbean, you get your so-called historical facts from history books, which are written by victors, in our context the PAP. You must stop referring to historical data as facts. Quite simply, they are not as they can and will change depending on the flavour of the day..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17473688.post-61863362216098708492009-04-27T08:07:00.000+08:002009-04-27T08:07:00.000+08:00hi Abao, nice pics.
to answer anonymous, this guy...hi Abao, nice pics.<br /><br />to answer anonymous, this guy carries his history books in his head. i am still scratching my head for i have never come across such history books.<br /><br />someone tell me that i am wrong, that singapore got its independence in 1959 through lim yew hock.Chua Chin Leng aka redbeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11743716923635835397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17473688.post-46995104015604172482009-04-27T00:27:00.000+08:002009-04-27T00:27:00.000+08:00"Presumably his history book told a different stor..."Presumably his history book told a different story.."<br /><br />how come his copy of history book is still around, arent they all burnt already?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17473688.post-42705262398316892202009-04-26T18:22:00.000+08:002009-04-26T18:22:00.000+08:00when spore got its independence is a historical fa...when spore got its independence is a historical fact and should not be an issue. and i am astonished to believe that there are singaporeans who would dispute this fact. this issue is nothing personal. we are indepedent or we are not and when.Chua Chin Leng aka redbeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11743716923635835397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17473688.post-74574337343424411152009-04-26T12:18:00.000+08:002009-04-26T12:18:00.000+08:00Maybe i am the odd one.
I am born before independ...Maybe i am the odd one.<br /><br />I am born before independence and tend to like the earlier days of my life.<br /><br />Living is messy nowadays, look at the many infightings within our society!<br /><br />It seems to be more lawless/disorganized as we get older from independence. The irony is that, Singapore probably has the most Rules and Regulations or Laws in the World(i think so lah).<br /Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17473688.post-69359361603058224012009-04-26T12:09:00.000+08:002009-04-26T12:09:00.000+08:00The history of Singapore should always be taken wi...The history of Singapore should always be taken with a pinch of salt. It shall be rewritten when the PAP no longer rule the roost.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17473688.post-43731135372027488232009-04-26T10:30:00.000+08:002009-04-26T10:30:00.000+08:00History is written by the 'victors' in whatever wa...History is written by the 'victors' in whatever way they deem fit. The stories of the 'losers' gets lost eventually as less and less people recall or preserve it; thus leading to a skewed perspective in time to come and past events repeating itself...Abaohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06316440811389250605noreply@blogger.com