tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17473688.post115906769207049793..comments2024-03-19T14:16:35.736+08:00Comments on My Singapore News: listening but not hearingChua Chin Leng aka redbeanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11743716923635835397noreply@blogger.comBlogger53125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17473688.post-1159951319526134682006-10-04T16:41:00.000+08:002006-10-04T16:41:00.000+08:00hi anonymous,you must treat this as cyberspace kop...hi anonymous,<BR/><BR/>you must treat this as cyberspace kopitiam and nothing else. when you are bored or free and wanted to chat, just pop in.<BR/><BR/>and never expect anything or anyone to be grateful. it is just for passing time. that is why i can be on this side or on that side. just try to make the chat interesting, maybe a little provocative.Chua Chin Leng aka redbeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11743716923635835397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17473688.post-1159948324138807072006-10-04T15:52:00.000+08:002006-10-04T15:52:00.000+08:00What say you people out there?Politics belong to t...What say you people out there?<BR/><BR/>Politics belong to the politicians and the youngsters. It is their world. You want to change the world? for what, for whom? <BR/>Don't kaypoh lah, every man (you included, especially) lived for himself. Fat chance anyone would be grateful for what you did. This is reality redbean.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17473688.post-1159923511324841222006-10-04T08:58:00.000+08:002006-10-04T08:58:00.000+08:00The odds are stacked so heavily against the opposi...The odds are stacked so heavily against the opposition here, and thank the Lord Almighty for that too. No one in his right mind will dare to imagine the opposition can form the govt anytime soon. Even if they do by some freak result, as the esteemed MM has said, the army will move swiftly to restore the status quo. In case you don't already know this, your vote is inconsequential.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17473688.post-1159923184144491462006-10-04T08:53:00.000+08:002006-10-04T08:53:00.000+08:00hi anonymous,if you are in the party i will defini...hi anonymous,<BR/><BR/>if you are in the party i will definitely vote for the opposition.<BR/><BR/>what say you people out there?Chua Chin Leng aka redbeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11743716923635835397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17473688.post-1159878019413788722006-10-03T20:20:00.000+08:002006-10-03T20:20:00.000+08:00"any govt or politician who think he can talk glob..."any govt or politician who think he can talk globalisation and tell the citizens to shove off will find himself being shoved off."<BR/><BR/>On the contrary, it is people like you who are being shoved off. Should I remind you that the PAP got an overwhelming mandate in the just concluded general election. Everyday I wake up and thank the Lord that Singapore is in the hands of visionary leaders Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17473688.post-1159865132066321722006-10-03T16:45:00.000+08:002006-10-03T16:45:00.000+08:00if i am running my own workshop or a little shop, ...if i am running my own workshop or a little shop, i pay the price i like and wait for a willing applicant to come by.<BR/><BR/>having been the hr manager of several big companies, i am familiar with the market rate for different positions. even a clerk or admin asst is getting more than $1k. a fresh graduate, depending on his discipline has an ongoing market rate. from their point of views, they Chua Chin Leng aka redbeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11743716923635835397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17473688.post-1159859388969345162006-10-03T15:09:00.000+08:002006-10-03T15:09:00.000+08:00"that is globalisation? that is a totally free mar..."that is globalisation? that is a totally free market at work. a viable scenario?"<BR/><BR/>That is what globalisation is all about. That is also the principle of meritocracy that is the bedrock of Singapore's system. The best person will get the job. it doesn't and shouldn't matter whether he is filipino, indian, chinese, eskimo or timbuktuan.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17473688.post-1159858235080978582006-10-03T14:50:00.000+08:002006-10-03T14:50:00.000+08:00"as an ordinary citizen who can get $1k with 'o' o..."as an ordinary citizen who can get $1k with 'o' or 'a' level, why should they waste time and money to get a degree to earn $1k?"<BR/><BR/>That question is best posed to someone like nutcracker. For me, as an employer, I am not obliged to pay someone $2K just because he has a fancy piece of paper certifying he completed studying in some university. It's as simple as that. If I can get a Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17473688.post-1159856513242987222006-10-03T14:21:00.000+08:002006-10-03T14:21:00.000+08:00you said you are an employer, ok, accepted that yo...you said you are an employer, ok, accepted that you see it from that angle. as an ordinary citizen who can get $1k with 'o' or 'a' level, why should they waste time and money to get a degree to earn $1k?<BR/><BR/>from the govt's point of view, they cannot run away from looking after the people's welfare. different group of people will look at things from their own angle. things only go upside Chua Chin Leng aka redbeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11743716923635835397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17473688.post-1159851612242417502006-10-03T13:00:00.000+08:002006-10-03T13:00:00.000+08:00No amount of fine tuning can help molly coddled ci...No amount of fine tuning can help molly coddled citizens who think too highly of themselves. Have university degree => working for $1200 is beyonf them ala nutcracker. Puh-lease. I'm talking as an employer, which I am as well. All things being equal, is it wrong for me to choose the foreigner over the local because he is willing to work for $1200 whereas the local is demadning $2000 ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17473688.post-1159847843346759622006-10-03T11:57:00.000+08:002006-10-03T11:57:00.000+08:00hi anonymous,the difference btw my position and yo...hi anonymous,<BR/><BR/>the difference btw my position and yours is only how to fine tune and manage the situation. what is very common in singapore is over reaction. when someone says jump, everyone will jump. and many forgot to question jump from where and some will jump from the 25th floor.<BR/><BR/>what is needed is to look at the situation carefully and not go for a blanket solution. <BR/><BRChua Chin Leng aka redbeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11743716923635835397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17473688.post-1159842205304302752006-10-03T10:23:00.000+08:002006-10-03T10:23:00.000+08:00You conveniently forgot to mention that Singapore ...You conveniently forgot to mention that Singapore is not America. America can close its borders to the world and they will still survive. Can the same be said of Singapore ? Singapore needs those mnc companies to come here and create jobs. MNCs do not like protectionist policies. You make it difficult for them to recruit non-locals and they will say "Up yours" and go somewhere else. Now isn't it Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17473688.post-1159841126376137352006-10-03T10:05:00.000+08:002006-10-03T10:05:00.000+08:00yes i agree that i am clinging to the concept of n...yes i agree that i am clinging to the concept of nation state. and you are being sold the idea that nation state is passe. is it?<BR/><BR/>by looking after the citizens does not mean that we are not embracing globalisation. it is like going to the beach. we strip but not to the extent of being naked. the vital parts still need to be covered up. if not, then sands will go in.<BR/><BR/>govts that Chua Chin Leng aka redbeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11743716923635835397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17473688.post-1159834111676565412006-10-03T08:08:00.000+08:002006-10-03T08:08:00.000+08:00You know what the problem is redbean ? The problem...You know what the problem is redbean ? The problem is you are still clinging on to airy fairy notions of days past and soon to be gone. In the age of globalisation, national interests have been rendered irrelevant. Govts have to do what the global marketplace requires them to or else they will be consigned to the dustbin of irrelevance. Globalisation is here to stay, that is a fact. The option Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17473688.post-1159492666785028102006-09-29T09:17:00.000+08:002006-09-29T09:17:00.000+08:00that i agree. 30% of the cohort are graduates. so ...that i agree. 30% of the cohort are graduates. so they don't command the kind of salary they used to be. but the issues here are citizenship, responsibility of govt to people versus state, globalisation versus national interests etc.Chua Chin Leng aka redbeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11743716923635835397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17473688.post-1159407522210904162006-09-28T09:38:00.000+08:002006-09-28T09:38:00.000+08:00This has nothing to do with foreign talent. Fact i...This has nothing to do with foreign talent. Fact is a degree is a commodity today. Almost every other Joe or Jane on the street has it. A degree is no longer the passport to a good, well-paying job. Young people today need to have this drilled into their heads.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17473688.post-1159404697857847822006-09-28T08:51:00.000+08:002006-09-28T08:51:00.000+08:00the papers today reported on the dialouge session ...the papers today reported on the dialouge session which hsien loong had with the youth last week. and the concerns of jobs and foreign talents were raised.<BR/><BR/>similarly, lim swee say also acknowledge that foreign talent is a key issue that he has to address with the trade unions.<BR/><BR/>this is not a small issue that can be swiped away as it affects every young person and their families. Chua Chin Leng aka redbeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11743716923635835397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17473688.post-1159403142804430582006-09-28T08:25:00.000+08:002006-09-28T08:25:00.000+08:00> once the unemployment rate of the young gets out...> once the unemployment rate of the young gets out of proportion ..<BR/><BR/>What's to say it hasn't already, if you extrapolate nutcracker's experience to the thousands of graduates that the 3 local unis churn out and also include the few thousands more who come back after graduating from overseas unis. I think the poster above hit the nail on the head. A neighbour's son recently returned from Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17473688.post-1159356895138866782006-09-27T19:34:00.000+08:002006-09-27T19:34:00.000+08:00Fat chance. Two years of NS have beaten the young ...Fat chance. Two years of NS have beaten the young into timid slave boys of the ruling elite. Just the sight of the men in blue will have them shitting and pissing in their pants. No, the young will meekly accept their fate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17473688.post-1159337493112439262006-09-27T14:11:00.000+08:002006-09-27T14:11:00.000+08:00there won't be any monster left. that you are righ...there won't be any monster left. that you are right. <BR/><BR/>once the unemployment rate of the young gets out of proportion you can expect them to become monster slayers.Chua Chin Leng aka redbeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11743716923635835397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17473688.post-1159332867886583332006-09-27T12:54:00.000+08:002006-09-27T12:54:00.000+08:00There won't be any monsters. The only monsters are...There won't be any monsters. The only monsters are in the heads of those who are afraid of competition. The majority of Singaporeans have always taken the presence of foreign talent in our strides. The writing is on the wall for those who refuse to accept the new rules of the game. They will likely die a slow, painful death if they continue to live in denial.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17473688.post-1159319026612384642006-09-27T09:03:00.000+08:002006-09-27T09:03:00.000+08:00if there is any doom, it will come much later. but...if there is any doom, it will come much later. but the gloom can be felt by our young people like nutcracker's generation. i don't belong to their generation and may not have the same feel. only people who are in the shoe knows best. people up in the cloubs will see things from a bird's eye view.<BR/><BR/>the opening up to foreigners started earlier. true. but to sanction it as an official policyChua Chin Leng aka redbeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11743716923635835397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17473688.post-1159314039853893542006-09-27T07:40:00.000+08:002006-09-27T07:40:00.000+08:00redbean said "how many days have this liberalisati...redbean said "how many days have this liberalisation of foreign talents been in effect?"<BR/><BR/>In case you have just woken up from a long slumber, the foreign talent policy started way back in 1997.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17473688.post-1159293362178872362006-09-27T01:56:00.000+08:002006-09-27T01:56:00.000+08:00Are we being too pessimistic with gloom, doom, blo...Are we being too pessimistic with gloom, doom, blow up and damage controls when it is bright and sunny outside?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17473688.post-1159264279453233662006-09-26T17:51:00.000+08:002006-09-26T17:51:00.000+08:00anonymous,how many days have this liberalisation o...anonymous,<BR/><BR/>how many days have this liberalisation of foreign talents been in effect? you expect a avalanche? just look at the response by some of the forumers here, in redbeanforum, in ypap, etc will do.<BR/><BR/>this is just the beginning of the problems that will come a long the way. by the time it blows up, it will be too late for damage control.Chua Chin Leng aka redbeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11743716923635835397noreply@blogger.com