5/15/2017

Preparing Singaporeans for the future

We have heard many talks about preparing Singaporeans for the future. What kind of future can the Singaporeans be looking forward to in SG100? There are many signs appearing supported by facts and figures that are saying Singaporeans future may be something they better not look forward to.
One stark reality today is the influx of foreigners to take up good jobs and top jobs in Singapore, not only in MNCs but in GLCs and increasingly in stats boards, and also in ministries. What is this fearful trend telling?

Even today, while Singaporeans are still in charge, foreigners are increasing being recruited to top jobs, as CEOs in preference to Singaporeans. And what comes next? They start to fill up the company and organizations with their countrymen and country women. The prevalence of this practice is widespread and can be seen everywhere.

As time goes by, more and more Singaporeans would be out of jobs while more and more important jobs would be taken over by the foreigners and their countrymen and country women. Soon they will proclaim that Singaporeans did not have the skill sets and experience for these jobs, for senior appointments to be CEOs, to head departments and divisions. Oh they are already saying this and doing it already.

Without being employed, Singaporeans would only become less skill and less experience and therefore less relevant to the jobs. The whole process is as good as desensitizing Singaporeans from the job market, turning them into misfits, mismatch, and lack of relevant skills. Many daft Singaporeans could not see this dreadful trend and happily going about reinventing themselves to be hawkers, taxi drivers and even deliverymen despite their education and experience in the corporate world. They will keep descending into the lowest level of employment, of survival in this very expensive world.

How woudl all these developments affect the future of Singaporeans and the young of today? They will no longer be holding the top jobs for sure, or very few will. Not only that, they would also not be holding middle management jobs and not even low level jobs. Their fate would be the same as the non bumis in Malaysia. They have to go into small businesses, peddling pots and pans, to be self employed as they are no longer employable or no foreigner CEOs would want to hire them in Singapore. Yes, they should all be taxi drivers, security guards and hawkers and dressed impeccably as deliverymen. And of course there is still one big job reserved and protected for them, National Service, to guard and protect this island for the foreigners to rule them after taking over their jobs.

I am afraid this reality is increasingly become more real than fiction and will turn into a nightmare for future Singaporeans. Singaporeans, be prepared for a future when they become the outcast, the dalits of their own country, once called Singapore, once your home. Beware and be prepared for this fate if things did not change and the course of social and economic development continues in this direction. A stop must be put to this destructive trend to save Singaporeans and Singapore from the indiscriminate and irresponsible presence of foreigners to dominate over Singaporeans and to destroy the future of Singaporeans.

We cannot hand our country to the foreigners by default, without a fight. Stop going for more silly training to lower skill jobs. You should be upgrading when you go for training, not downgrading. Why pay and spend precious time to traing to downgrade? What nonsense!

The Singaporeans of the past were all the time trying to upgrade and improve themselves. Why are the Singaporeans of today told to downgrade and be happy with the situation?

92 comments:

Anonymous said...

Lao Hero //We cannot hand our country to the foreigners by default, without a fight. //



But, but many lau kok kok mentally 3-yo only?

Give them some sweets and they are easily sold and bought and sold and bought ....... for the past 58 years .......?

How not to lose the future with such (3 yo) sinkies in the midst?

Virgo 49 said...

At least the non-Bumis in Malaysia especially the Chinese still takes care of their own kind in employment.

Whereas the Sinkies own kind even scorn their own kind preference to others.

They are the worst traitors to their own.

Even Hongkongers not an independent nation had the spirit of protesting when they find policies acceptable.

Pui, Nation of 50 years and still every men for themselves.

The Rich all the while enriching themselves.

Even professionals suck the finances of the needy by having as many incentives for themselves and families.

What a farce in National Service to protect the Nation when we are Sabo ing and maiming ourselves and even unable to Kell and protect our identity and onslaught by the Foreigners.

Sinkieland will be sinking land MOT

Anonymous said...

Lao Hero //We have heard many talks about preparing Singaporeans for the future. //


This Botak talk maciam the chicken backside shitting?

About 13 years ago, talked BIG BIG about "TLLM" : "Teach Less Learn More" .......

If students were to listen to him, sure gone case le ......?

Talking nonsense without the eyes blinking?

What animal does that?

Anonymous said...

/// We cannot hand our country to the foreigners by default, without a fight. ///

So why are 70% of Singaporeans voting for PAP and its pro Alien policies?

Anonymous said...

/// The Singaporeans of the past were all the time trying to upgrade and improve themselves. Why are the Singaporeans of today told to downgrade and be happy with the situation? ///

Downgrading Singaporean into slaves is the cheapest and fastest way to find people to do jobs that even foreigners don't want to do.
True or not?

Anonymous said...

/// A stop must be put to this destructive trend to save Singaporeans and Singapore from the indiscriminate and irresponsible presence of foreigners to dominate over Singaporeans and to destroy the future of Singaporeans. ///

If we are not prepared to vote Opposition.
If we are not prepared to change government.
How can we put a stop to this destructive trend?

Anonymous said...

PAP is a party of the past.
Meaning, they always like to talk about the glorious past.

PAP is a party of the future.
They always talk and mental masturbate about a glorious future.

What PAP does not like to talk about.
The present. Today.
How fucked up Singapore is today.
What are their action plans today to improve matters.
PAP does not like to talk about today.

Do you want jobs today?
Or you want jobs in the future?

Anonymous said...

Eyes pasted stamps

And NOT just 1

But 1 whole stack?

Anonymous said...

NEWLY PROMOTED PAP MINISTER DOES NOT UNDERSTAND MILK POWDER ISSUE

http://www.allsingaporestuff.com/article/newly-promoted-pap-minister-does-not-understand-milk-powder-issue
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Here's a simple problem that can be quite easily resolved.
Start counting how many months/years it will take PAP to first understand the problem and then to fix the problem.

If the PAP government can't even solve such a simple problem;
Do you think they can fix our MRT problems?
Do you think they can fix our unemployment problems?




Anonymous said...


Not to worry! Not to worry!

We have the BEST-est leaders in the world, here!

They are highest paid highest paid in the world from our taxes!

So they will take very good care of everyone of us.

They are very very kind and very very caring.

They designed lots of generous welfare schemes for you to apply.

So why worry! They will sure take very good care of you!

Living here is like living in heaven!

新加坡是天堂! 新加坡是天堂!

As for the future.........SG100...SG150....also not to worry........

Because......儿孙自有儿孙福! 儿孙自有儿孙福!

Cheers!

Anonymous said...

We tried to follow the big countries with huge population. For them, a few million foreigners make up a tiny fraction of the working population and they can tolerate that.

Red dot is so small, with a small population of 3.5m, now absorbing 1.5m foreigners is looking for trouble. I mean trouble for the locals, not for the government, whose aim is just to grow the GDP.

But talking about that is now too late. There is nothing the locals can do. 70% thinks it is good going forward. About the future? No wonder people do not want to get married and have children. Why make them suffer? The elites can have as many children as they like, because they have the means to feather their own nests. Highest paid PM and ministers in the world. They can talk about the brightness of the future.

Virgo 49 said...


Anon 9.42

It's not the PAP doesn't want to solve these happenings.

They just simply closed blind eyes to their own elites sponging from the poor.

They would not want to antagonize their own as they thems elves are also doing the same.

All enriching themselves and kept to themselves until the day when the Dafts asked for help then they wayang wayang a bit to give some advice.

Even the Doctors are sponging on what CHAS and what incentives for them in promoting the Milk powder.

Anonymous said...

Por Lan Par

Aei, yewr soul

Sell how many $$$?

Anonymous said...

AnonymousMay 15, 2017 9:11 am
>>>>So why are 70% of Singaporeans voting for PAP and its pro Alien policies?<<<<<



Nang kwah cho GUI?

GUI kwah cho nang?

Mak Chiu bo kee si pai bo kui toh?

Anonymous said...

@ Virgo @ May 15, 2017 10:08 am

I hear you.
But the best way to determine the competence of PAP is to accept that "they are here to serve Singaporeans and not themselves".
So let's see how many months/years it will take them to even begin to understand the problem.

Knowing our monkeys ... they will probably appoint a Commission of Inquiry.

Anonymous said...


Anonymous 1000am comments represent......新加坡人民的心声!

"Red dot is so small, with a small population of 3.5m,
now absorbing 1.5m foreigners is looking for trouble.
I mean trouble for the locals, not for the government,
whose aim is just to grow the GDP.

But talking about that is now too late. There is nothing
the locals can do. 70% thinks it is good going forward.
About the future? No wonder people do not want to get
married and have children. Why make them suffer? The elites
can have as many children as they like, because they have the
means to feather their own nests. Highest paid PM and ministers
in the world. They can talk about the brightness of the future".

So must 3Ms lah......if don't 3Ms, how to survive on this piece
of tiny rock.

Remember.....no money no talk......you die your business!

This is Singapore! This is Singapore!

Anonymous said...

@ Virgo @ May 15, 2017 10:08 am

I'm old enough to remember.
Nearly 40 years ago.
Singaporeans had a similar problem with the high price of rice.
And that was one of the reasons that NTUC FairPrice was founded/created.
To fix that problem.

Do you think NTUC FairPrice is still serving Singaporeans with good prices?

http://i65.tinypic.com/34ig2ty.jpg

Anonymous said...

@Virgo 10.08am

Sorry it is called NTUC FairPrice not NTUC CheapPrice hor!!

Hahaha......

Anonymous said...

Por lan par should kena karma first

Yew die yewr biz when yew kena karma .....

For prostituting yewr soul to the devils?

Anonymous said...

The better educated they are by PAP, the more you don't want to hire them(think about what kind of leaders come out of the party) lol

Anonymous said...

Please lah Ntuc Fp products are ok lah. Their inhouse brand rice is cheapest in the market. All other branded products are selling at the same price as outside. But in factthey are cheaper because of cash rebate linkpoints for members. If you are lazy to apply the almost zero cost membership to get discount dont blame ntuc.fake news!!!!, virgo

Anonymous said...

@ May 15, 2017 10:54 am

Good one. Very funny.
I guess NTUC's "Fair Price" is like HDB's "Subsidized flats".

Anonymous said...

A woman minister said...all milk powder the same...you think she who can afford five nannies to produce fresh neh neh milk to feed her baby would buy cheap milk powder? Kek eke

Hire sinkies? You stupid or what?

Anonymous said...

One stark reality today is the influx of foreigners to take up good jobs and top jobs in Singapore, not only in MNCs but in GLCs and increasingly in stats boards, and also in ministries. What is this fearful trend telling?
RB

But then hor, majority Sinkies had voted and will continue to vote for PAP as long as the opposition is not ready to be govt and so PAP will continue this fearful trend.

So this trend of PAP everytime get majority votes from Sinkies is even more fearful, tio bo?

And is caused by Sinkies themselves some more. So like that how?

Anonymous said...

Lao Hero //Without being employed, Singaporeans would only become less skill and less experience and therefore less relevant to the jobs.//


Uncle,

What u said is supported by empirically observed economics phenomenon.

The technical term in economics is known as "Human Capital Decumulation".

For example, many retrenched PMETs are "rotting" away at home, parks, coffeeshops reading newspapers (omg, still dunno how the word "DIE" is written in Chinese?) or driving fake talents around from dusk to dawn .......

Each passing month may mean a few % erosion of their skills and knowledge etc

After 12 months, many PMETs are shadows of the point they were retrenched?

What happen next?

Anonymous said...

And is caused by Sinkies themselves some more. So like that how?
11:32 am

Sinkies really LL and LPPL.

In polite and cheem (deep) English, it is called a vicious cycle of fearful trends.

Anonymous said...

The better educated they are by PAP, the more you don't want to hire them(think about what kind of leaders come out of the party) lol

Truth is, on protected home ground, they look good, only in the initial years, but long term, you say lah lol

Anonymous said...

After 12 months, many PMETs are shadows of the point they were retrenched?
11:34 am

That means many PMETs really LL, LPPL until BL.

In polite and cheem (deep) English, it is called a vicious cycle of fearful trends, with each cycle getting worse, until the ultimate happens for all human beans, which is no fertility, death and extinction. Just like the dinosaurs.

Anonymous said...

Lao Hero //As time goes by, more and more Singaporeans would be out of jobs while more and more important jobs would be taken over by the foreigners and their countrymen and country women. //


Again, this is supported by an empirically observed economic phenomenon known as "Hysteresis".

Retrenched PMETs tend to be persistently UNEMPLOYED.

Leading to high unemployment rate among PMETs in the lo(oooooo)ng run ........

Anonymous said...

There are three types of sinkies

deluded monkeys(top)

deluded monkeys(mid)

and deluded monkeys(bottom) haha

Virgo 49 said...


Hi Anon 10.43

DONT be conned by what NTUC Fairprice supposed control of rice prices.

At that time, they set up Intraco, a sort.of trade agency to import rice from the rice exporting countries like Thailand from a government to government agreement and supposed to be cheaper in bulk.

You know the Directors of Intraco are also ex or even current serving MPs at that time and they are paid millions.

They are a sort of cartel to control the rice importation. Now where you can find cheaper rice in NTUC??

Some supermarkets cheaper than them.

Anonymous said...

All milk is the same.
All cheespie also the same.
Whether you eat the cheespie in a bungalow or in a small space.
The cheesepie all taste the same.
So what for you pay million dollars for a cheespie?

Anonymous said...

Sinkies always want..,good paying jobs..must also have good management...must also be sinang....hshaha

your leaders will say...you having too many wet dreams is it? ...haha

Anonymous said...

Don't worry uncle ... SG is in the process of internal colonization where foreigners displace & replace Sinkies, and then call themselves Sinkies too.

It's just like how our ancestors replaced the original orang asli Sinkies 200 years ago, and how the natives of USA and Oz were replaced by foreigners who eventually called themselves Americans & Ozzies.

This is called evolution and improvement and innovation. SG will continue to be top cities in the world .... just that your descendants will no longer be part of it.

Anonymous said...

Infiltrated by foreigners. Foreigners and sinkies just don't mix or communicate. They hang among themselves, sinkies hang themselves.

Babel was the dream of arrogance and shallow pride.

Anonymous said...

//Stop going for more silly training to lower skill jobs. You should be upgrading when you go for training, not downgrading. Why pay and spend precious time to traing to downgrade? What nonsense!//


With you.

For you.

For Singaporeans.

70% kongcum bought it

Swallowed hook, line, sinker

Anonymous said...

Why should u listen to the PAP and downgrade from car to bicycle ? Why should u listen to the PAP and send your children to ITE instead of university? Why should PAP ministers get paid $4,000-$6,000 per day? Why why why !!! So many WHYs!

Anonymous said...

Why are the Singaporeans of today told to downgrade and be happy with the situation?




Jiak Pah Tan Xi

Anonymous said...

You are wrong virgo, the ntuc brand 5kg is the cheapest at $5.90, this side of the Causeway.You hv to compare apple with apple. Also if you are saying our rice should be $3.50 or equivalent to Malaysia prices, then i have nothing to say because i am comparing Ntuc with the other brands acrosd the same Singapore platform, you cannot beat ntuc price most of the time.

Anonymous said...

Singaporeans, be prepared for a future when they become the outcast, the dalits of their own country, once called Singapore, once your home.



It is just an absurdity, according to the speech of an old man in a 1957 Legislative Assembly debate while still a colony

To make a peesai once home is an insult to a human's existence and not unlike colonies of ants being squeezed in a tiny underground shit hole?

It is a blessing in disguise when one's home is no more a peesai?

Anonymous said...

Tiok, when the HDB flats become zero value, no need to pay property tax, no need to pay conservancy fees, just sleep in the void deck.

Anonymous said...

Many seniors will die with mental problems. Good news is many juniors will take their places wahahaha

virgo49 said...


Anon 1.05

Only one variety rice cheap, cannot saud5 NTUC rice cheap.

One swallow don't made a summer.

They have this variety cheap is because they get in bulk and price different.

They are also a cartel with what free competition??

Just like monopolised HDB flats.

By the way, their own packing, the rice that goes cheaper are those gonna to have their expiry run out date soon.

As the licensing main importer, they are supposed to keep stocks for at least six months in the case of emergencies and war.

These are renewal of old stocks for sale for the incoming new stocks.

As an ex-Customs Officer in processing these importlicenses, these are the regulations.

Anonymous said...

Landed freehold in matland facing resort seaview cheaper than 3rm pigeon holes with cut corner shoddy finishing

Which kongcum miss staying in ant-like colonies?

Siao

Anonymous said...

By the way, their own packing, the rice that goes cheaper are those gonna to have their expiry run out date soon.



Some type of rice buy already less than few weeks got maggots liao ......

So horrifying!

Yesterday opened one pack bought last month full of yucky creepy crawlies .....

Anonymous said...

Many on sale items left less than 3 mths or even 1 mth before expiry

When it is too good to be true, dun kena conned.

Over the weekend saw some offer items so cheap, flipped around the packaging and the expiry date only left about few week

How to down some food meant to last few months in a few weeks

Not fit for human beans consumption cos in a few weeks time can throw into pig sty for them to chomp down le .......

Anonymous said...

Got future meh?

virgo49 said...


And you cannot also said comparing apples to apples.

We are comparing the prices of samecommodities, I.e. rice t to rice and milk powder to milk powder.

Why in matland the prices so much differen?? Less the exchange rates.

It's because matland no Agressive marketing?? What's means no Agressive marketing and advertising??

It's because they're do not have to feed the middle men and women with Incentives to push their products.

These are actual in real terms corruption but they smart to channel another ways by sounding them legal and professional.

What's crabs!!

My boy had the misfortune to be Type I diabetic since 13 years. Four times a year medical check ups plus insulin per trip costs nearly four hundred plus. Multiple by 4 times.

Most times had to top up by cash. One hundred plus. Rest used own, mine and spouse medisave up to total 300.00 max per annum. Imagine now at age 30, how much we spend??

Insulin not subsidised drug. No subsidiary. The manufacturers are earning billions of dollars every year with world wide diabetic patients.

One ţime, while together with him and waiting for him saw two sales teams waiting to see the professor and resident doctor.

One team went in and had a conversation with the other team. Learnt that they had to fight nail and tooth to push their products.

Had hinted that had to be in the good books of these purchasers with many incentives.

Long time ago, a news reporter disclosed that these Doctors were flying for vacations on the expenses of these drug manufacturers. Now Likewise, the milk powder.

They were smart to cover in a way that these doctors and professional purchasers are going to the headquarters or factories for bullshits seminars. To know better their products.

They be there may be privileged just for a day and the rest balance week free and easy on their expenses. You think our Elites don't know. They just tak bodoh. Please everybody.

If now, frankly, if they were to discover a cure for this disease, the big cartels will simply shut them up with their resources. For this is big monies.

That's why, so many researchers the whole wide world been researching for this cure and yet made no headway. You won't be surprised that they are been brought over and shut up for good.

Now, regarding why the price difference between matland and even aussland and sinkieland for example, the milk powder.

Because, in sinkieland, we have those heartless so called landlords of commercial biildings, malls and even residential units who wanted to be billionaires fast and wanted to be known in the papers.

Compared matland costs of business to sinkieland. The rentals can killed you. What you slogging goes to these unscrupulous cartels of landlords with the blessings of the PAY and PAY.

They slaughtered you without seeing blood. But blood is on their hands.

Poor sinkies both owning residential and renting commercial shops are fleeced by them without mercy.

Wait till there is Margin Calls on yourinvestments, many had to jump at MBS.

Not because they lost at the casinos.

Time to sojourn to melaka and have 35cts Kopi. Another round at Genting on roulette.

There, they don't fleece you proper and good.

Anonymous said...

@ virgo @ May 15, 2017 3:24 pm

/// Long time ago, a news reporter disclosed that these Doctors were flying for vacations on the expenses of these drug manufacturers. Now Likewise, the milk powder. ///

I heard it direct from a heart specialist.
Going to Paris for a conference to learn more about pacemakers from a particular manufacturer.

b said...

The future for sinkies is to stay stupid so it will not threaten pap future.

Anonymous said...

Virgo
I take your point that it is wrong that sgn food prices are so much higher than Malaysia andvthe govt has not done enough.But remember i started this discussion responding to a comment that ntuc overcharge, that is not true per se, relative to other sellers in the same ecosystem here, ntuc pricing is fair dinkum.
The point about why should sg suffer from the effects of high rent, high gst, high transport, these are issues beyond thr scope of Ntuc. The GOVT of pap is solely accountable, not ntuc.

Anonymous said...

I totally disagree with Redbean. Singapore is for everybody and NOT just for those who happen to be born on the island. Singapore is for everyone willing to contribute to the economy and growth. If you cannot compete, then you must make way for those who are more capable. There should not be any chorping and there should not be preferential treatment for those who are not suitable for the positions in question. Singapore is for everyone and definitely not reserved for those who are born on the island.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 624pm please don't say like leh!

Not everyone is like you, so capable!

Give chance! Give chance!

Anonymous said...

@ May 15, 2017 6:24 pm

I totally agree with you.
"Singapore is for everyone and definitely not reserved for those who are born on the island."

I will surrender to any foreign army that invades Singapore.

Anonymous said...

@ May 15, 2017 7:20 pm

Me too! Me too!
If a foreign invading army can contribute to Singapore's economy and growth.
We must surrender unconditionally immediately.

There should not be any be preferential treatment for Singaporeans for the Prime Minister position.
Singapore and Prime Ministership is for everyone and definitely not reserved for those who are born on the island.

Anonymous said...

Since Singapore belongs to everyone.
We should renounce our statehood as a country.
Become a protectorate of the United Nations.

- no need anymore expensive PAP government.
- return all CPF, GIC and Temasek monies back to Singaporeans

Anonymous said...

/// Singapore is for everyone willing to contribute to the economy and growth. ///
May 15, 2017 6:24 pm

Aiyoh!
If criteria like that, then we will have to remove the entire PAP government liao.
Why you so anti-PAP?
Even if PAP adds nothing to our Singapore economy, they are still Singaporeans right?

Virgo 49 said...


Anon 6.05

You defended NTUC with so much vigour,are you from NTUC or their staff at Tagore Lane??

NTUC set as a business and you know how many small provision shops had to close. So much their hypocrisy of what free competition.

They leaned on the Government to have a government to government contract and with capitals bought in bulk at competitive prices.

So, initially just one or two dollars cheaper and the Dafts conned into memberships of rebates fifty to hundred dollars per annum sang praises of what NTUC and the Government had done for the people. They killed the Small business with their cartel.

Who are the Directors drawing millions from their enterprise? ?

Ex Papuers, oops PAPies MPs like Chandra Das etc.

You think their prices cheaper than now Seng Siong and Giant?? Hokkien said pua koon puua new!

Rest of bros who lost faith and also no will no defend SINKIE land. Less wah that capable bro who advocated free for all.

Perfect loyalty and magnanimous to the core who welcomed anyone to have the jobs more capable than the daft Sinkies.

He must be a new talent to spew such platitudes. Wah piang, countries with out borders, What the FARK the people are still calling thems elves Singaporeans, Americans, Malaysians etc.

Do away with all these nationalities and what bullshits elections of ruling government? ?

The best solution followed North Korea. Have three to five A mother of all bombs.

Can do away with National Slavery.

No need billions to keep renewing your military wares.

Which neighbours dared Kia Chow You? ?

See the Americans holding Security Meeting just the North able to reach their shores.

Japan and S.Korea still in denials the North capabilities.

If I were Kim Jong Un, I keep them guessing and have sleepless nights.

Anonymous said...

Just went to Unity Pharmacy to buy a pack of Neurofen. Price $4.90. Today is monday so got 6% discount for pioneer citizen. The pack should be about $4.60 net. Happily showed my PG card. The cashier said this one already discounted so no more discount.

I remembered Guardian is selling less than this off the shelf, no need discount. So told cashier to cancel my purchase. Walked to Guardian next door. The same pack, no discount, was $4.85.

CB.

Anonymous said...

How to pay multi million dollar salaries? Money must come from somewhere right?

Virgo 49 said...

When you have a creature who advocated that Singapore is for everybody and not for those who are born here, then it, I specified it, for it must be a creature and not a human soul, it be a Foreign Trash who urpsured your jobs, your nation and ever thing.

Now according to it, it is more capable as according to it, you must give way to it.

It can be a jamban inspector and so proud of being one.

Those who are born here, unfortunately what your forefathers had done for this Nation is of no value now that you are unfortunately not capable enough.

This creature is so much smarter than you and you are unfortunate to let it have your job.

Ask the PAP to withdraw their manifesto For You and Your Family as you are of no value to them.

If this creature is a daft Sinkie, let me remind him.of a hokkien saying Chie Kong Lam Par Siong.

DONT said too soon, you may be also be urpsured by the ones you say more capable than you in the near future.

What's can happened to your breathen can also happen to you.

DONT be too cock sure that in.their eyes you are capable forever.

Anonymous said...

Today's state media said a Singapore consortium comprising of Ascendas-Singbridge and Sembcorp Development has been chosen to develop the commercial core of Andhra Pradesh's new capital city Amaravati.

At what price? CECA?

CECA benefit who? CECA hurt who?

patriot said...


Haha.....

Only the DAFTs
believe that Sin belongs to them.


patriot

patriot said...


Haha.....

Only the DAFTs
believe that Sin belongs to them.


patriot

Anonymous said...

The boy was on target. They killed him. Killed the people they are suppose to listen to because what does a kid who abandoned the education system knows? What arrogance. What pride.

Pride before a fall?

Anonymous said...

Who said this?

"Singaporeans, new arrivals, people who are on permanent residence here, people who are on employment pass here, all participating in one big Singapore family … So that we feel that this is a place which is special, WHICH BELONGS TO ALL OF US and where we all celebrate one another’s festivals and happy events together.”

Anonymous said...

To virgo
Stop your nonsense, i speak the truth. The price of items in ntucfp especially house brands, are reasonable, especially with rebates. Why do you say people who take advantage of rebates are dumb? The bottom line is you get cheaper stuff. Ok you say the ntuc bosses make money. So do sheng siong, giant,coldstorage. The bottom line is ntuc fp is NOT profiteering at all, because the products are priced similarly with giant, cold storage etc.The quality of products are very often superior to shensiong or giant, especially meat. Go ask your wife or mother.
Your argument that ntuc destroy business of provision shop is totally irrelevant. This discussion is about whether ntuc fp is overcharging or not overcharging. It has nothing to do with macroeconomic or consequential social effects od displaying lesser endowed entrepreneurs in the game.

Anonymous said...

/// The bottom line is ntuc fp is NOT profiteering at all, because the products are priced similarly with giant, cold storage etc. ///
May 15, 2017 11:24 pm

Same old mental masturbation.

HDB (as a monopoly) is not profiteering from the sale of HDB flats.
Why?
Because HDB's flats are price at a discount from market price of similar products.

SMRT is not profiteering from the sale of stored value cards which mysteriously must be obsoleted every 5 years.

HDB is not profiteering from their car parks.
Monopoly where got profits right?

Anonymous said...

@ May 15, 2017 11:24 pm

What about the price of water?
Any profiteering there?

Anonymous said...

Dear readers
I strongly suggest you do a detailed price comparison between NTUC and Sheng Siong.
The difference in prices will shock you.

agongkia said...

Anon 11.24
Please show some respect to uncle Virgo .I may not fully agree with him but what he said is not totally wrong.
Who are we to tell him to stop their nonsense and claim we speak the truth?

I try not to get involve too much on this topic but I dun feel comfortable seeing our PG got insulted.
Your claim of Ntuc not profiteering is not becos its price are similar with others but becos of other reason.
Whether they overcharge or sell at a higher price or not, superior quality or not, I know as I patronise too.
Virgo is an interesting uncle.
Bottom line.Respect our PG.

virgo49 said...


Hello Ahgongkia, some people are not adamant in defending their Masters and when the Truths hurt, they said that you are speaking nonsense.

They are just too stubborn to face the truths and that's why the Papies are so cock sure of having their pepertual powers on them.

This Anon must have reasons to protect his rice bowls as any other person protecting theirs with my bad opinions of the NTUC idiosyncrasies of their propaganda of what helping the needy or poor with their socalled subsidies.

We, through our experiences being the establishment or authority that deals with them in knowing their history and dealing with them officially knows better.

Many kept mum as most typical sinkies does in exposing these untruths as most has been throughly fed with such progangada for years.

The truths that once a while, they can wayang by saying we are subsidising on this and that of what essential necessities to the general populace and so proud and publicised so much on that are just political stunts to con the voters.

They have obtained the same commodities on the on a much better rate than the others due to some governmental trade offs with the other governmental exporters.

Same time they already made so much, just simply foot some expenditure from their profits for political mileage in earning the goodwill of the voters that they are sort of non profits business for the people.

Frankly, these socalled senior citizens or pioneer rebates that they have on certain days may be welcomed by those really needy ones who are grateful for their socalled kindness.

But how much they can really have the rebates of 2 to 3 percents of their ten to twenty dollars purchase?? Not enough for a cup of Kopi orr.

On top of that, those staff treated the old folks as though they are giving them handouts and granting them favours. To the old folks a cent earned is a cent saved for them and they are been lead to believe that the government is so generous with what this NTUC bogeys of cheaper goods.

They are naive and innocents to be easily influenced in believing that they have a caring government.

Little do they realise what causes Sinkieland costs of living is so high. All these been artically inflated by the government and they will claim beyond their controls in the world's free markets.

We are price takers, not price givers. Price takers without having to manufacture a single bolt and nut of a car in to sinkieland at ten thousand and as price giver to you at one hundred thousand on the road.

Likewise, the petrol and diesel and not counting others.

Yes, they will said we need revenue for running the country. Where does the monies come from??

But they did not reply who have the most monies going into their pockets??

Hope this Anon who so feverishly defended NTUC will in his same way feverishly defended Singaporeans as what Mr RB does in defending the rights and liviehoods of true blue Singaporeans.

virgo4949 said...


Should be so ADMANDANT in defending their Masters.

Anonymous said...

Some people here simply do not understand the art of debate. Just because i made a proposal that ntuc is not profiteering, i am said to be a ntuc or pro pap mrmber and mental masturbation going on. There is one person who ask me to respect old uncle virgo. Excuse me? How "old" is virgo? How "old" am i? Nobody knows.
Another nonsense presumption is that just because i think ntuc is not profieering means that i have to believe all the PAP NONSENSE that make it as if hdb and smrt are not profiteering. Of course hdb is profiteering, they got the land free and fake a subsidy to citizens. Of course smrt is profiteering, they make VERY HEALTHY profit and still have audacity to increase prices! Everything that CHIN LENG complain about pap approach to destroying Singapore society in his main article, is absolutely true. SINGAPORE IS FOR SURE GOING TO BR DESTROYED BY THE PRO ALIENS PARTY .
But there is no evidence to prove that ntuc is profiteering. Their stores are subject to same market rent as shengsiong. Their stores are paying same labour cost as sheng siong, overall the quality of goods sold in ntuc is better then shen siong. Try buying coconut or fish from ss and try from ntuc, the difference is clear. A few cents more sometimes, but its a different product altogether and the environment is better yet not too ATAS likr some cold storage stores.
I will gladly retract everything i have said, if someone can say objectively without insulting me personally,and show evidence why ntucfp is profiteering.
Some of you guys are behaving like PAP THUGS, WHEN YOU ARE CHALLENGED YOU START TO HIT BRLOW THE BELT AND GET PERSONAL. Stop this nonsense, your minds are subconsciously poisoned by the pap regime, you dont even know it.

Anonymous said...

Concerning the issue of ntuc rebates. Some people here think that i am dumb to feel thankful to pap. Please understand this ntuc rebate thingie cannot be compared to the gst rebates and chas NONSENSE that pap is dishing out. In those cases it is truly foolish for any citizen to be grateful at all because the pap raise prices and give you a one time rebate. So THAT is FAKE REBATE!!!!
Some people may say why ntuc doesnt charge flat 10% (for example) all its goods instead of rebates? The answer is very simple. If everything is 10% cheaper, than others, all the other small shops will be in trouble. Ntuc provide air con environment, hight tech ptice display neat system ,ubiquitous presence, still 10% cheaper? Dont you think you will kill all competitions? More jobs lost? Then you people will complain again? You a nation of complainers? No wonder pap trample over you people who cannot think objectively and debate intelligently.
The bottom line is pricing is usually identical to other stores for same quality product. For those who want rebates, just flash the ntuc linkpoint card, cash deduction off all purchases. It is a reasonable system, considering the factors i metioned above. Satan may be bad but occasionally it does things reasonably. Pap is 80% bad for Singapore, but occasionally it does things right or reasonable. I am happy to patronize ntucfp, because it is convenient, pleasant, and the pricing is similar or less for the same product as other stores. Please stop personal attacks, give objective replies. If you have nothing brtter to say, please maintain silence you are more intelligent to do that.

Pioneering ENERGY said...

@ Anon @ May 16, 2017 7:49 am

I don't agree with some of the arguments you put forth but overall you are correct. I support your approach, consistency and thrust. You won the debate hands-down. Bravo!

agongkia said...

Anon 7.20
Uncle Virgo is about 68.
I dun see the need to tell him to stop the nonsense and that only you speak the truth,even if you older.
If you can get annoyed easily then no reason to be here.
I am known or called a pappy to Uncle Virgo n many here,but it's fine.
As a bortartcheh,I feel proud too.
Ntuc has many advantages over its competitors so if you said they dun make profit,something is wrong somewhere.
But who cares whether they make or not?
I only go there to Beo my You Know Who.

Anonymous said...

Thanks buddy. I would like to reiterate that the purpose of my writing is not to win arguments and appear great, far from it. The issue at hand is "whether ntuc is profiteering" not " whether pap is good or bad." Be not confused about this, they are not necessarily mutually exclusive.
So it is important to be focussed and at all times refrain from personal comments. If everybody learns to operate in this way, the nonsense PAP government will be easily defeated because 99% of their leaders are incapable of independent thought and creative debate skills.

Anonymous said...

My friend, you do not understand economics. I didnt say "ntuc dont make profit", you put word in my mouth, please dont do likevthe pap thugs.
Make profit is not same as "profiteering".
Make profit is you buy at $1, you sell at $1.24
Profiteering is you buy at $1, you sell at $12.40
I am saying ntucfp cannot be said to be profiteering because there is not any evidence . So far nobody challenge me on that. I only get personal irrelevant attacks. This is not smart debate. This is pap smear-style tactics. Move away from it and shine.

agongkia said...

Uncle
Whether 24 cents or 2.40 cents it's still profit.
Who cares profiteering or not.
Just becos you say it's pricing is similar or lesser than others does not mean every item are cheaper.
And what does this got to do with pap tactic.Grow up:-)

patriot said...


NTUC is a commercial entity.
To make profit as huge as possible is
business. Do not expect NTUC to be any different.
Anyway, NTUC Fair Price is not always the Cheapest Even Upmarket Supermarket like Cold Storage does sell cheaper for similar items from time to time.

l have diehard NTUC Members and PAP supporters in the Family. They are entitle to their ideosyncracies. Those that like to be brainwashed and fleeced, let it be. lt is their freedom.


patriot

Anonymous said...

"WHO CARES WHETHER PROFITEERING OR NOT". I think you need to think deeper my friend. Profiteering is evil, it robs innocent people of their hard earned savings. Normal reasonable profits are necessary otherwise the company will run into debt and negative cash flow. If you are not interested either way, there is no business for you to droo illogical comments here.
Again you put word in my mouth. I never said that everything in ntucfp is cheaper. I even said that sometimes its a few cents more but quality is better.
In fact a supermarket sells hundreds of thousands of products procured at different times from possibly different suppliers. Occasionally there will be price differences. But i am very sure from my experience that the prices at ntucfp are overall not marked up above market prices. THERE IS NOT A SHRED OF EVIDENCE TO SHOW NTUC IS OVERCHARGING CITIZENS.
Finally my friend, i do not understand your obsession with AGE. You asked me to grow up, you call many people Uncle, you asked commenters to respect old people. My friend, respect is earned. By your logic because mr Pinky is 60 plus years old, i must respect him? Sorry, i have no respect for a dictator who does all those evil things expounded by chin leng in his main article today. The age of a person has no relevance in any intelligent debate. Again i implore you my friend if there is nothing for you to say, keep your peace, dont reply this post for the sake of replying. It adds no value.

Anonymous said...

To patriot,
I do not agree with you that buying from ntucfp is being "fleeced". I said many times, ntucfp items are generally in line with market prices of similar supermarkets. However if you compare to $1.99 shop or Daiso, occasionally you will find ntuc more expensive. But supermarket operations is a very complex matter. Daiso is linked directly to china manufacturers whilst $1.99 shops do sell some sub standard products which fail. Ntucfp on other hand is operating on different p!atform. It is very unfair for you to say that those who buy ntucfp products "enjoy" being fleeced. Nobody likes to be fleeced. Of course, the best way to get cheap and good prices is to bypass the middman, and buy online, which i am doing much more often nowadays. Howver it is consumer prefefence of convenience vs price, you cant say across the board that ntucfp customers enjoy being fleeced, this is a irresponsible conclusion.

patriot said...


For the Information of Readers here.

I DID NOT AND DO NOT SAID, SAY THAT NTUC FAIR PRICE fleeces anybody.

Every business entity exploits and hence takes advantages of consummers from time to time. Nothing unusual.

l was in marketing sales and retail(as employee) for over two decades. Had seen enough gimmicks and sophistries of market practices.
ln any case, do expect them as normal, otherwise we do not need Consummer Protectiin, Lemon Law and or even Government.

The Truth in living is that societies are full of equal amount of good and evil folks. Live with it or avoid or fight them if one can.


patriot




agongkia said...

Many here like uncle Virgo are claiming that ntuc items are not necessarily cheaper than others which I agree but you seems so defensive asking for evidence of profiteering .
Saying it's prices is not the cheapest does not mean one is saying ntuc is overcharging.Dun think I bortartcheh mean I dunno English.

Anonymous said...

Patriot
this is what you said, you forget?
"have diehard NTUC Members and PAP supporters in the Family. They are entitle to their ideosyncracies. Those that like to be brainwashed and fleeced, let it be. lt is their freedom."
In the context of THIS discussion here, it is clear as day, that you are saying those who buy from ntucfp enjoy being fleeced, are brainwashed.
Concerning the idea that "every business entity exploits", to some extent it is true. However, as consumers, we have to see them inside a black box. what they do inside the box is their business, we dont care. The output of the black box is the price. If you look at Ntuc pricing of stuffs vis a vis their product quality, nobody is going to say ntuc overcharges for inferior goods. This argument makes no sense at all.
Now if you expand the box to the entire Singapore PAP govt, yes i agree, it is overcharging, because, PAP has the capability to reduce prices by controlling rent costs and labour costs, but they choose to enrich the system and ignore the plight of the citizens. Yes, it is wrong. It depends which box you look at. In the context of the internal box if NTuc fp, it is fair deal. But as a greater whole, the pap govt is not doing the entire singapore retail market any good because it controls too much the cost of prodcution, ie rent and labourcosts, electrcity, water. This is wrong of course, nobody disputes that.
Of course society is full of evil and good folks, nobody disputes that. The issue here is whether NTucfp is evil or good folk. At this point in time, there is no evindence to sugges that NTuc fleeces the consumer. This is the point i am saying.

Anonymous said...

my friend agongkia.
firstly i wonder if you will refrain from referring to commenters with salutary terms like "uncle". It biases the argument subconsciously. Again, age has NO relevance here. I dont care if you are 60 years old or 16 years old. You put up a proposal, if it is good i agree, if it is not tenable, i will suggest why and if you disagree go ahead and tell why so. There is absolutely no need to guess a person's age, occupation, political affiliation, sexual orientation, ABSOLUTELY irrelevant.
Now you said i am defensive asking for evidence of profiteering. Please do not forget i jumped into this discussion because someone far above, suggesting that Ntuc is overcharging. That is not a correct statement to my knowldedge, and i happen to dislike untruths, therefore, i came in to offer my opinions. this is not "defensive". You know what defensive means? When i tell you say 1+1=3 and i tell you 1+1=2, you refuse to agree and insist that 1+1=3 and i get into all sorts of personal attacks (not necessarily by you). That is "defensive". Defensive also means the inability to humble down to either keep quiet or just say, well ok i guess you are right. It isnt easy to do so, i assure you.
And yes, Defensive also mean geting over personal about any argument. I have never at all gotten into a personal discussion about you that you "dunno English or Bo Tark Cheh". Actually i dont care at all whether you are a professor or bo tark cheh. A professor like those in PAP can talk nonsense. A bo tark chek man like the Sungei road Association Leader can talk real sense. It is completely irrelevant. I do hope that if anything, i have helped you along the way in carrying out sensible arguments.

patriot said...


l am going to say it again and will repeat till l stop breathing.

Monopolies in trades, especially essential goods such as utilities, healthcares, public transportations, educations and the Worst of All, licencing and Permit are the Most subjected to abuses. The Other One that is just as prone to abuses are cartels that are allow by the Authority to exploit users.

When a government
runs the Country like as though running their personal businesses, all sorts of abuses happen; including FLEECING' of the Masses.

Sinful deeds that are legalized tend to be exploitef to the Maximun.

The Evil tends to outwit and victimise the Weak.

Sad but it is the Reality.


patriot

patriot said...


道高一尺,
魔高一丈。
Whence essential goods and services, land cost and and rental are allow for operator, provider to
increase the costs to end users whilst making tens, hundreds or even thousands of million SinDollars,
that is definitely some form of fleecing.


patriot

Anonymous said...

Patriot, that is a fair comment. You are looking at the big picture not the small one.

Anonymous said...

GIC invested in UBS in February 2008.

GIC's loss in UBS should be very much bigger if we take into account the interest that could have been earned over the last 10 years if the money had not been invested in UBS, just as the CPF board calculate how much, including interest, we have to return to our CPF account when we use our CPF savings to buy our residential property . . .

Virgo49 said...


Anon 1.00

At that time, these smart ass(es) knew that.UBS is in big shits and yet They stubbornly insisted on throwing good monies on bad.

Think UBS, wah piang Swiss, Swiss, cannot be wrong. Prestigious man Prestigious.

All these just goes Scott free. No penalties.

Likewise, PAP TCs lost millions.

No hoo ha.

But WC, oops WP, all hell broke loose.