3/24/2017

52% support budget, 32% support water hike


According to Reach, 52% of the people support the budget but only 32% support the 30% water hike. Put it in another way, 43% was against the water hike, 24% neutral, 32% for and 1% dunno.  How to put these numbers in a simpler form when there is a 24% in the neutral category? This is like a 35% Elected President, which did not look or sound good. Saying 43% against can also mean less than 50% against or can give the impression 57% was for it if the details were not given. On the other hand, saying 32% support could give the impression 68% was against. Luckily the numbers for neutral and dunno were also given to prevent the confusion.
Talking about confusion, when it was reported that 52% supported the budget, does it mean that 48% were against the budget? Was the survey conducted using only for or against, with no neutral or dunno? If that was the case, then it is understandable. If neutral and dunno were included, then the 52% for could mean a few things. One, no respondent ticks the neutral or dunno option. So it is a clear case of 52% support. Or it could be like 24% neutral and 1% dunno, leaving only 22% against the budget.
If this was the case, then there is no need to fear that support has fallen from 70% or 80% to 52% since only 22% was against. Wondering how they could get a 70% or 80% number in the past. Apparently from the reports in the media, it is likely a case of for or against type of survey, no buts and ifs, and 52% was for and 48% was against the budget.
It is not easy to use statistics to tell a clear story, like half full or half empty sometimes. Statistics are meant to make things easy and clearer to understand but turning out to be a tool for magicians to amaze or to wow the audience.

39 comments:

Anonymous said...

//52% of the people support the budget but only 32% support the 30% water hike//

That's enough to tell the people -- " ..u see majority still supports it"..this again PeeSai Pinky can still sleep well & go to Vietnam for holidaying & will be bz taking jump shots & selfies & even say huat ah as NoBoLee dares to form a new Garman to oppose him..

Anonymous said...


Hahaha..........good morning.........

"52% of the people support the budget but only 32% support the 30% water hike".

What is the use of these figures?

Absolutely no use! Absolutely no use!

When come to voting.....70% OK-ed in 2015!

This figure is predicted to up up to 79.9% in the next GE!

Singapore is like that lah.

Can only kpkb kpkb kpkb.........

When come to voting........PAP........

Maybe these people are SMART........

So no point kpkb kpkb......be happy and worry lessssssss.........

Remember....3Ms in this very very expensive tiny city state......Make More Money........

Cheers!

Ⓜatilah $ingapura⚠️ said...

In a representative REPUBLICAN system of government, the numbers describing what people like or don't like DON'T MEAN JACK SHIT.

Once the MPs (representatives) are chosen, it is their job to form and implement policy. They were voted in FAIR AND SQUARE to do exactly that.

Representative system of govt. (as opposed to direct democracy where voters have a say in everything) is the way this republic is managed and governed.It ensures that people's emotions are not taken into account because that's a very bad way of making decisions.

I'm actually surprised 32% of people surveyed actually supported the water price increase. I would have predicted a lower percentage. This is because price rises affect people "at the wallet level" and thus usually has a negative effect.

It is important not to trust surveys, simply because they are UNscientific.

Sample sizes are too small. Sample participants are generally people walking on certain streets (no variety) and don't take into account people who are missing from being surveyed. Also, there are no controls on VARIABLES like the weather (which affects mood), and other environmental and societal factors, as well as individual immediate circumstances.

For e.g.: if the person surveyed has just got off the phone with their spouse with whom they've been fighting, there present mood and mental state will definitely affect their response to the survey. Similarly, if the people surveyed had just had great sex, a delicious meal or bought a new over-priced trinket...they are likely to be agreeable and answer positively.

In my estimation, more people would REJECT the water price increase, because (my theory) in Singapore most people want to be seen as agreeing with the govt. they voted for. KIASU.

I would call this survey BULLSHIT. Number of rejections are too low!

Anonymous said...

patriot March 23, 2017 8:43 am
(22 March 2017 Post)
///Of course no need rocket scientist. Maybe a A Level Student could do a better job.///


>>> A Level Econs Concepts: Market Failure <<<



Anonymous March 24, 2017 7:16 am
(23 March 2017 Post)
///Rb, the concept of surge pricing is not invented by grab or uber. It's already being used by garmen in ERP pricing so different time segment has different rate for example the most expensive ERP gate at CTE in the morning is $6 per pass. So they understand the concept of surge pricing which is essentially for people who have the economic mean to have priority to use the resources first, in another word the rich has the first bite on things or services being offered, ///


>>> A Level Econs Concept: 3rd Basic Economic Question - For Whom To Produce? <<<


Chua Chin Leng aka redbean March 23, 2017 8:47 pm
(23 Mar 2017 Post)
///This surge pricing thing stinks to high heavens where the angels and immortals live. The concept is the same as the water fee hike, COE, millionaire super talent minister salary, tipping for good service or pay for the service you can afford.///


>>>A Level Econs Concept: Dollar$$$$$$ Votes<<< (the little guys lose out?)



Chua Chin Leng aka redbean March 23, 2017 8:47 pm
(23 Mar 2017 Post)
///What is the bottom line, no money no talk. No money no service. Only the rich or those who can afford should get the service, the more they are willing to pay, the better service they get.///


>>>A Level Econs Concept: 3rd Function of Pure 100% Laissez-Faire EXTREME Capitalist Price Mechanism - RATIONING BY PRICE$$$<<<


patriot March 21, 2017 11:06 am
(20th Mar 2017 Post)
///Must say l know nuts about economy or economic.///

Angkor Patrait,

Dun be shy lah?

Dun be so humble lah?

Dun "bluff" lah?

U said "know nuts"?

But as above quotes showed, A Level Econs concepts all applicable to all these tax hikes, price surge etc etc?

How cum u know A Level students could have done the same job (WELL)?

You expurt in Econs lah?

Dun "pray pray"?

"Pretend Pretend"?

Virgo49 said...


32% supports means 68% against.

Said 68% against. Why must put support???

Figures can be massaged in oil, power or ordinary Thai massage.

Trust those statisticians!! THEIR STATISTICS JUST TO MISLEAD.

They have the final say in reporting after hearing the explanations for the increase, majority supported it.

God also them, Devil also them

patriot said...


Good Morning All.

There is only one difference between expert and expurt to me and that is the Spellings. One uses e and the Other uses u. ln term of intellect, both expert and expurt are same same.

Believe in successful businessman and never the theorist expert or expurt. The Latters are usually employees cause they are lousy at making money.

My Idol knows better, he has read and is able to quote any reknown economists. And he knows how to psycho others to make money for him.


patriot



patriot said...


My apology

'reknown' to be
corrected to
renown.


patriot



Anonymous said...


whatever % nevermind lah

anyway oppositions is not ready to govern

so vote pap is the only choice even water is increased by 300%

many already vested and scared as pap is now too big to fail

furthermore, oppositions not ready to govern

so how, you tell me what to do next

tell me tel me tell me

Anonymous said...

patriot March 24, 2017 10:18 am
///There is only one difference between expert and expurt to me and that is the Spellings. One uses e and the Other uses u. ln term of intellect, both expert and expurt are same same.//


Ha ha ha

The garmen and billionaires eyes pasted stamps?

The US FED chair and vice chair term will be expiring soon .....?

With the intellect of expurts (same same as experts, according to one angkor), mb DT can consider their nominations?

Who dun agree?

Pls kee chiu ......

Anonymous said...

patriotMarch 24, 2017 10:18 am
///My Idol knows better, he has read and is able to quote any reknown economists. And he knows how to psycho others to make money for him. ///



Such as being a quitter?

Ha ha ha

Ⓜatilah $ingapura⚠️ said...

@virgo49:

Like I indicated previouosly---it is all WAYANG.

Firstly, the agency who conducted the survey was REACH.

They are the feedback unit of the government.

That's why I say the numbers for the budget and water price are LOW.

The majority of Singaporeans don't want to be seen disagreeing with the govt.

Singaporeans talk plenty of COCK, but actually most of them have NO BALLS when it comes to disagreeing with 'authority'.

Anonymous said...

"52% of the people support the budget but only 32% support the 30% water hike"

If i tell you today HK is 18 degree, Sun Mon night is 14 degree. U will look at me blank, this guy is mad right? Mad? not so if Sun and Mon u are in HK. Without thinker clothing, u gonna be chilled.

Note the difference? The set of numbers are only able to get into your head when you are involved or gonna face the problems.

Water taxes increase by 30% are not everyone in the survey s concern. Those young at Reach such as IB, are living with parents, they dont pay the 30%. U ask them, they will say they support the increases, what their masters want them to do. How many people reading this blog is also reading Reach? That means they are full time on the internet.

My point is: those going into Reach internet site are likely to support the garmen and elites, whatever they proposed. If there is a survey in other places, can still get the high support for 30% taxes? Yes. Survey among the non residents living in hotels. Will they object to 30% water increases?

So there is no concern of what the garmen want to say. As i put it. 30% taxes are nothing compare to coming gst increases. Why 30% so little, increase the taxes by 300% will be better for the elites pockets. This is within the elites rights to do so.

Not happy with the increases, vote for opposition party. No point looking at the statistics if you do not trust the figures, similar to me.

But be pragmatic. The costs of living increases on water, electricity, transport, conservancy charges, etc will slow down the purchasing of household goods further more. If IB like the increases, they still have to pay for the extra costs. Firms such as precision engineering, food manufacturing, and many others using lots of water will face small sales as they will have to push up the prices eventually.

We shall watch and see what will happen after the 30% kicks in. Be ready to see more people losing their jobs or not paid salaries. Not to forget the elites will continue to take in more pmets to kick sinkies out of jobs with their population policy, as long as pinky is in seat. U vote for them to treat u with a stick, kick you out of jobs, or the bosses lose businesses and kick u out of jobs, are the same: operating costs are pushed too high, and also the currency cannot come down due to past inflation of population policy, when S$ went up to 1.2 per usd. Again, u cannot change it as long as pap is the team, they like to have population to increase gst collection. U cannot afford the cost of living, eat less and drink less or vote opposition.

Anonymous said...

Political Parody
----------------------
According to my own personal survey.
When I have a gun in my hand.
And I ask 100 women ....

60% will give me a blow job.
35% will have vaginal sex with me.
And 5% will have anal sex with me.

All 100% of the women want to have sex with me.
None of them wants to refuse sex withe me.

CONCLUSION
- I must be a very attractive lover.

patriot said...


Be it
3%
30% or
300%,
whence the Authority wants to do anything, it can just proceed with its intention.
To do a survey just to show that there are people supporting the lmplementation is just a PROPAGANDA to make YOU FEEL COMFORTED IF NOT ASSUAGED OF YOUR DISAPPOINTMENT AND ANGER.

The Authority is kind of trying to pacify the People knowing very well that most hikes will rouse the Sentiment of those affected.et us put it this way, like it or not, the People have to pay. And if things keep getting more expensive, the buying and spending power of the People will fall and the Market shall suffer from poor consumption and atrophy.

Think all the Recent Hikes in all things are signs of desperation for money as suspected by many in Cyberworld.
lt is definitely not a good sign or the hopeful and rosy as imagine and paint by the Rulers.

Anyway, once again, Sin has much to sell in the Next Decade or 2 though manmade or natural disaster could be debilitating or even fatal.
Pray hard that the Sin Rulers are doing their hest for the Wellbeings of You.
Otherwise, Sinkies shall be in deep shit soon.

Do take Commenter b's suggestion seriously; leave Sin for better future or at least to face less challenges in survival.

DO NOT STAY IN SIN HOPING AGAINST HOPE FOR A BETTER TOMORROW.
THE GOOD OLD DAYS ARE GONE FOR SURE.


patriot



Anonymous said...

PAP has an interesting history of offering "choices" to Singaporeans.

In the 1962 referendum on Singapore to merge with Malaysia
- Singaporean voters were given three choices
- But there was no option offered to reject the merger with Malaysia

SOURCE:
Singaporean integration referendum, 1962

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singaporean_integration_referendum,_1962

Anonymous said...

The numbers prove 1 thing --- more good years for PAP. Becoz sinkies no balls to vote against them. Govt should create a stock called PAP Inc --- sure bao jiak one, can retire as millionaire, no need CPF.

Anonymous said...

Peple plant seeds

Natuarly seeds will grow.(eg.evil)

Ⓜatilah $ingapura⚠️ said...

http://www.todayonline.com/singapore/43-singaporeans-polled-against-water-price-hike-reach

OK, they collected data by telephone survey (highly inaccurate) and from the 9 "feedback booths" on the island. Motherfuck. 9 booths....for 5.6 million people. CHEE BYE LAH! 😡😡

>> t is not easy to use statistics to tell a clear story, like half full or half empty sometimes. Statistics are meant to make things easy and clearer to understand but turning out to be a tool for magicians to amaze or to wow the audience. <<

We now live in a BIG DATA WORLD. So small-shit "surveys" or what useless govt boards like REACH do is chicken-shit statistics . Look at how the data is collected---shit. Where are the controls? Shit. Have the "studies" been replicated by independent agencies? No? Shit.

REACH. Another water of time and taxpayer money. Better not to have any "feedback" nah. Just read the internet. And just pass laws and do your fucking job like 70% of people elected you to do lah. No need for "feedback" lah. No point. You NEVER LISTEN ANYWAY!

Got wayang? 🤡

patriot said...


Pray hard that the Rulers
are doing their best for your wellbeing.
Otherwise Sinkies shall be in deep shit soon.

Pardon me.


patriot



Anonymous said...

Is REACH another Mental Masturbating Monkey?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_3588624469&feature=iv&src_vid=ciLllSAcF-8&v=FmBEpzBk1Rg

Anonymous said...

Complain so much for fuck?!?!? You all fucking deserve it lah!!!!
I PRAY EVERYDAY FOR PAP TO INCREASE GST TO 25% & COE TO REACH $200,000.

Anonymous said...

$$$“For the vast majority of HDB flats, the leases will eventually run out, and the flats will be returned to HDB, who will in turn have to surrender the land to the State.”

life expectancy being close to 85 years now, a 30-year-old couples should aim to buy a resale flat with at a lease of at least 65 years to last them till they are 95. $$$

what the rubblish of asset enhancement of HDB flats and price appreciation! All HDB should be sold at net price.

Anonymous said...

The Father of lies

Anonymous said...


No point kpkb kpkb out there.

What can you do now? Cry?

Dont waste time.

70% already voted "Go Ahead"!

Deserved it! Asked for it!

Correct?

Anonymous said...

'patriot said...

Pray hard that the Rulers
are doing their best for your wellbeing.
Otherwise Sinkies shall be in deep shit soon.

Pardon me.'

You still didn't get it did you? When they have to dip into your CPF savings and cannot stop doing it, you should know their financial situation is really bad. No need to think further.

Anonymous said...

"I PRAY EVERYDAY FOR PAP TO INCREASE GST TO 25% & COE TO REACH $200,000." 2:50pm

I celebrate and play Kool s Celebration for Pap s achievements in price increases. No need to pray, taxes will come knocking at doors, $Pap=$Tax.

More taxes increases on water electricity will help people to understand these are strategic commodities need to pay high tax.
Next to have baby taxes, school text books texts, degree achievement taxes these will help people to understand the strategic commodities are must have for everyone.

Anonymous said...

PAP voters must feel the full price of voting PAP before they stop.
- so please welcome the 30% hike in water price

Anonymous said...

Minister Lawrence Wong confirms: Your HDB will be $0 after 99-year lease finishes

http://statestimesreview.com/2017/03/24/minister-lawrence-wong-confirms-your-hdb-will-be-0-after-99-year-lease-finishes/

Minister for National Development (MND) Lawrence Wong confirms that the Singapore government will confiscate all HDB apartments once the HDB 99-year lease is finished. The Minister wrote on the MND blog:

“For the vast majority of HDB flats, the leases will eventually run out, and the flats will be returned to HDB, who will in turn have to surrender the land to the State.”

“Do not assume that all old HDB flats will be automatically eligible for the Selective En bloc Redevelopment Scheme, or SERS. SERS, as the name implies, is on a selective basis.”
------------------------------

PAP voters must feel the full price of voting PAP before they stop.

- if PAP voters want to have ownership of their HDB flats ... do you think they had better start voting Opposition?

Anonymous said...

Original Lawrence Wong blog post about HDB taking back possession of your HDB flat for free:

https://mndsingapore.wordpress.com/2017/03/24/choosing-a-home-for-life/

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Please keep voting PAP.

Anonymous said...

Voting Opposition or voting PAP is the same. The only difference is in name. As far as personalities are concerned, they are from the same mould of mindset and behavioral norm engineered and propagated by the PAP's Doctrine of 'Kiasuism', which permeates across the whole society. In other words, cowardice. This societal trait is well demonstrated by the number of Anonymous and Pseudonym used in the comment sections of all the social medias and blogs. So, unless there is an urgent and dire need by the masses, when a major shake-up of the whole government machinery, from top to bottom and bottom to top, from left to right and right to left, from every critical angle of personal as well as collective survival, there is no chance whatsoever that by voting Opposition, you will get a better government to lead and care for the country. It is only a self-deceiving, self-masturbating, self-embarrassing dream - fake, gratifying and shameful!

Anonymous said...

/// Voting Opposition or voting PAP is the same. ///
March 24, 2017 6:17 pm

Since it's the same.
All the more reason to vote Opposition.
No need to worry about "accidentally voting out PAP" anymore.

Anonymous said...

Read the bottom line, not selectively using one sentence for the sake of argument. You can't influence others in this way. You have to be better than that. Think very long and hard, not knee-jerk half-baked, wishy-washy utterances.

Anonymous said...

“For the vast majority of HDB flats, the leases will eventually run out, and the flats will be returned to HDB, who will in turn have to surrender the land to the State.”

- PAP Minister, Lawrence Wong, March 2017 @ http://vishvajitacharya.com/poverty-does-not-destroy-virtue-nor-does-wealth-bestow-it-spanish-proverb/

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"What's wrong with collecting more money?"
- Lee Kuan Yew @ https://www.facebook.com/TheNewEraSingapore/posts/611369322249177

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Please keep voting PAP.
You must feel the price of voting PAP before you will finally stop.

Anonymous said...

“For the vast majority of HDB flats, the leases will eventually run out, and the flats will be returned to HDB, who will in turn have to surrender the land to the State.”

- PAP Minister, Lawrence Wong, March 2017 @ https://mndsingapore.wordpress.com/2017/03/24/choosing-a-home-for-life/

Anonymous said...

Finally.
Do you think this is official confirmation that:
1) Singaporeans do not own their HDB flats?
2) Singaporeans have the lowest rate of home ownership in the world at 10%
3) Singaporeans are just land-less peasants

Anonymous said...

and here you are...worried about trickles when you are slaves to worthless bricks and mortars

And behold, your servants are beaten, but the fault is in your own people.
But [Pharaoh] said, You are idle, lazy and idle!....
Get out now and get to work; for no straw shall be given you, yet you shall deliver the full quota of bricks.
And the foremen saw that they were in an evil situation when it was said, You shall not diminish in the least your full daily quota of bricks.

Chua Chin Leng aka redbean said...

And the pigs in the Animal Farms could feast themselves without having to work but exploiting the farm animals, telling them to work hard, work harderer and harderest so that the pigs can feast from dawn to dawn.

Anonymous said...

PAP stands for Pigs And Prostitutes?

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