6/17/2016

China Asean Meeting – A case study on deceit and conspiracy

China and Asean just concluded a meeting in Kunming and as usual a lot of red faces. Asean issued a tough statement on the disputes in the South China Sea island claims but promptly retracted it on the excuse that it was sent out in error. The first statement read, ‘We expressed our serious concerns over recent and ongoing developments, which have eroded trust and confidence, increased tensions and which may have the potential to undermine peace, security and stability in the South China Sea.’

And the truth, two Asean countries have rejected the Asean statement that could only be issued when there is a consensus.  What is pertinent to this jumping the gun statement is that it revealed whose hands were behind this rush to send out the statement. For sure China has only two friends in Asean and a few fence sitters but several arch foes that would be sticking with the Americans. In this case some arch foes of China are Muslim states but willing to cosy up with Muslim killers for the greed of grabbing a piece of the South China Sea.

China would be interested to know who are these foes, who initiated the crafting of the statement, who authorized to send it out quickly, who is the party that did the sending, and who did the retracting.  It is not difficult for China to know the real happenings as it is reported in the media today with a Singaporean journalist calling Cambodia and Laos as Trojan horses of China. The journalist even warned these two states of cost and consequences. The pro American lackeys and the Trojan horses are standing up to be counted. This is like open cards in a poker game. Now China could identify very clearly who is doing what and should know what to do and dispense its cost and consequences as well. The whole episode is political and ‘either you are with us or against us’ depending on which superpower the Asean states have aligned with.

There is also another lesson to be learnt. Asean countries have very short memories and would often love the party that looted and raped their countries, killed and murdered their people and humiliated them by colonizing them. Many of the Asean states were colonies and are still in love with their colonial masters. Some like Vietnam and the Philippines were ravaged by the Americans but are still madly in love with the Americans, with the Japanese Imperialists that massacred their people. China had done nothing but is being seen as enemy to these countries.

The moral of the story is that China must not fear offending these Asean states. China must stand up to its right in the South China Sea and kick asses if needed be. Once China has taught the asses a real lesson in how to behave, after some time, they would love China like they love the Americans and the Japanese. So China need not be sensitive and fear offending asses. Kick them real hard, they only understand when they are kicked hard, and would turn around to kiss China’s arse.

That is the lesson to be learnt from Asean history and their predictable behavior. Trying to be nice and polite to them would be seen as weak and would make them think they are a force to be reckoned with and they could push China around. If China needs a live lesson, just watch the current shadow play between Singapore and Indonesia and Malaysia and the USA. The loser would definitely turn around to kiss the arse of the bully when the bully stood firm and kick asses.

That is the way to deal with Asean states or they will get swelled headed, punching above their weights. That’s what they have been deluding themselves with the might of the Americans behind them and goading them to take on China.

24 comments:

Anonymous said...

redbean
Please lah.
You are born in Singapore because your grandfather was starving and jobless in China.
The British colonial masters gave your grandfather; food, shelter and a job in Singapore

There are so many overseas Chinese because China could not feed its own population due to lousy self-serving government.
Very shameful.

I'm not anti-China.
I'm anti bad government that betrays its citizens.
And China is a 5,000 year history of bad government and betrayal of the Chinese people.

Anonymous said...

Sad to say the tradition of short-changing its own ppl have already transplanted its gene to SinkieLand..ex old fart said dafts Sinkies have not spikes on its spurs & rule this tiny red dot with his own knuckle duster & hatchet..soon these these will back fire as the island has open up its own Trojan horses to the detriment of Sinkies..

Chua Chin Leng aka redbean said...

Do you know why China could not afford to feed its population? The inept Qing Dynasty was a cause. The western powers were a greater cause.

Do you know what is the meaning of 'chiat kau' or 吃教? The westerners came with a gun and robbed your country. Then they gave some money to their priests and asked them to give some free meals to the 'conquered and robbed people' to believe in their religion and their God will save them.

And the conquered and robbed people became so grateful to the priests that fed them with the money robbed from them.

You think the colonialists came to save you, to feed you, to give you a good life? Go and read the carved messages in Hwa Zhong Secondary School and understand why the Chinese community had to build Hwa Zhong with their own money to educate their own children. The colonialists were only interested in giving enough primary education to the locals to work as clerks or lower.

The Chinese community wanted to educate their children to attain higher level of education and had to build their own secondary schools and then university, Nantah. The colonialists only thought of their own interests first. Your well being was coincidental, the opposite of today's war collaterals.

Not many bananas can understand why they are called bananas and why they would always be bananas. Unfortunately Lee Kuan Yew is no longer able to educate the bananas to respect their own civilisation and themselves.

Lee Kuan Yew was a rare banana that saw through the hypocrisies of the West and the reality of who he really was and became a part of his original civilisation again, and proud of it.

He did not betray his civilisation. He was ashamed to be a banana.

Anonymous said...

This 10 nation +1 meeting statement was said to pass to french press, bbc uk, japanese, usa. Then it revealed malaisia did it. Malaisia said it did not write anything. It was retracted.
Wangyi FM was facing the press himself told reporters there was disagreement.
China likes to pretend 10+1 is behind it because of their trade numbers. Now china knew and hope it comes to term. Its the west are in control of the 8, actually can be 9. China hs only one loyal friend, USD450millions money, cambondia did not want it from the west.

Xi is chairing the shanghai org association. His hope lies on the land to the west to Germany which china had deeper trade relationships. Germany had signed many more trade deals which will economically strengthen both sides.
The 8 or 9 countries will be left out of china main market. The communistic buyers normally are informally known not to over trade with their unfriendly partners.

The interesting thing of the high speed rail. Among the 10, china had 1 most dangerous enemy, the vietcon. This one is no friends to traders of yellow skin. It had a riots and those yellow doing business inside are having troubles to pay additional taxes claimed by the vietnamese tax experts. The 10 countries are no some group that the west will stream to to site their factories.
At the end, china is still the winner for direct investment into its manufacturing. the 9 countries will be left out of the high speed rail to Europe, not likely a EU anymore.
Swiss government had withdrawn application to join EU yesterday. UK may go. So Germany may be the prime country to support the poor EU needing cash, especially the Eastern europe, poland, ukrain, etc. Japan is on decline, so Cambodia is the winner in long term, as it is a inland non claimant against china.
The rest of the 9+1 will have hard time with the 1 in the long run in trade and disputes for those sea animals and soils. But China s DF21 can shoot 3000km away, and its missile destroyers are getting more stealth. The Japanese will be hit hard and flatten when it pull trigger.
The US has move the 3rd fleet to reinforce 7th fleet. Again, against the inland the sub missiles, big targets like the carriers and the bases like changi, guam, okinawa are withing missiles rains. There is little real threat to the chinese PLA generals. China is no longer the 10 year ago china. Its speed to launch military hardware is fast. Its transport plane y-20 can fetch 220tons in one go. This was handed over to PLA after 8 years of RD to finished products.
From the speed, another 10 years from now, US fleets will have no use in South China seas. By then the high speed rail will be going direct to Germany, china do not need the malacca straits so much for its oil or products trade. The 9+1 can still do their own trade among themselves. That will be the scenario in 5 years time.

Anonymous said...

Ya, Lee Kuan Yew sent his children to Chinese schools so that they don't become bananas. Or else Lee Hsien Loong and his brother may be calling themselves Peter Lee or Thomas Lee.

This is a precious and valuable lesson Lee Kuan Yew wanted to teach the bananas with saying it but just lived by examples.


Anonymous said...

Singapore has shot its own foot in the China Asean Summit by showing that it is pro America and anti China.

Now to wait for China to close its doors to Singapore. China does not need Singapore anymore. It is Singapore that needs China to boost its GDP or it would go into a recession.

Anonymous said...

Do you know why China could not afford to feed its population? The inept Qing Dynasty was a cause. The western powers were a greater cause.
redbean.

Exactly my point.
And why was the Qing Dynasty inept?
- because they are incompetent and corrupt like all the other Chinese dynasties before them
- because Chinese people are stupid enough to believe that the Emperor really is the Son of Heaven
- because Chinese culture is stupid enough to teach Chinese people blind obedience to Emperors who rob and starve Chinese people

And why were western powers able to invade and colonize China?
- even tiny Portugal can overcome the huge Chinese army
- why?
- because Chinese emperors and Chinese culture were too stupid to adopt superior science and technology
- you blame western powers for invading China
- I blame the weakness of Chinese culture, the stupidity of Chinese people in trusting their emperors and the arrogance of Chinese culture which looks down on things that are non-Chinese in origin ... the weakness of China allowed the invasion

You blame the rapist (western powers) for the invasion
I blame the victim (China) for lying naked on the floor with her legs wide opened for the invasion.

Do you blame our Alien invasion on the Aliens?
Or do you blame PAP voters and the PAP government for the Alien invasion?

Lycurgus80ofsparta said...

"The British colonial masters gave your grandfather; food, shelter and a job in Singapore"

Its probably more along the lines that they needed people to work the plantations as sort of indentured servants. I think you overestimate the altruism of the imperialist.

Anonymous said...

Its probably more along the lines that they needed people to work the plantations as sort of indentured servants. I think you overestimate the altruism of the imperialist.
June 17, 2016 11:44 am

Bottomline.
redbean's grandfather manage to find work and food to feed himself and his family under British government in Singapore. Or face starvation in China.

If the western powers did not invade China;
All of us would still be starving under a Chinese Dynasty.
The western invasion overthrew a 5,000 year old corrupt Emperor system of government.

If China is so great, why be a banana republic and adopt Communism?
Communism is a western idea.
Why not go back to the Emperor system if the Chinese system government is so great?

Who educated LKY?
Chinese universities or English universities?
Why LHL was educated in UK and USA?
Where was Li Hongyi educated?

I am not anti-China.
I am anti: stupidity, ignorance, blind obedience, xenophobia to better ideas and bad government.

Lycurgus80ofsparta said...

"I am not anti-China"

The discussion is about China vs external actors but you want to shift it to different forms of government. China could have any type of government for all i care.

For me, China is not about abstract ideas like forms of government, democracy or freedom. It is about my ancestors, blood ties bonded by culture. It is about being part of something that is bigger then myself. I am part of a civilization that stretches back 5000 years. This legacy did not come easy, our ancestors starved so that we can be here. Our ancestors gave us this legacy, we must honor it.

Become who you are.


Anonymous said...

Serious Joke
-------------
Q: What is the thinnest book in the world?
A: Chinese contributions to Systems and Theory of Government

One thin chapter.
Maybe two pages long.
Spanning 5,000 years.
Doing the same thing over and over again.
The emperor system.

The current communist system of government in China is copied from the west.
Karl Marx.
Which makes Mao Zedong the biggest banana of all time.
And makes all the current PRC Chinese into little bananas.

Anonymous said...

I am part of a civilization that stretches back 5000 years. This legacy did not come easy, our ancestors starved so that we can be here. Our ancestors gave us this legacy, we must honor it.
Become who you are.
June 17, 2016 12:43 pm

Typical daft Chinese.
No need to change anything.
Because starvation and misery is part of Chinese culture and history.
So cannot change anything because it goes against tradition.

It's Chinese like these that are the real traitors.
Denying the Chinese race the opportunities to progress.
He has all the qualities of an Imperial Eunuch in the Qing Dynasty.

denk said...

the murkkans just abruptly cancel the railway deal with china, saying chinese rail not up to its expectation ! [sic]

the timing of this about turn is another calculated move to sway the sg-kl rail decision.
i think washington was serious in giving china the job
in the first place, the way it's sabotaging chinese
projects all over the world in cohort with jap/india.

kobi diam news says kl favors beijing while sg wants the japs, most likely taking order from washington.

this murkkan slap in fact for china will prolly seal the fate for chinese raily.

denk said...

i think washington wasnt serious in giving china the job
in the first place

Anonymous said...

Singapore st said ALL asean countries agreed to the statement. But NO one face the press and published it. It sounded some or all were also not agreeable? FM pinoy could predict that some countries might change their minds after agreeing to the statements. This sounded like playing game rather than official work. "changing mind" after agreeing on state matters?

Asean was hijacked by 1 or more states to use the group s name for their political objectives. Asean had lost its trust to the Chinese. Will the FM still insist to call on this group s support? When Hague judgement announces, China still talk to Asean as a group, it will tell how naive chinese are.

It can also be that the statement was prepared to please the :angmor taikor somewhere to embarrass the chinese FM. Only the China FM faced the reporters after Kunming meeting. the rest went hiding and released separate statement.

China has to accept that it has no real loyal friend except Cambodia which shows consistency in loyalty, in behavior. The other 9 are not china s friend.

"Both Indonesia and the Philippines yesterday backed the content of an aborted joint Asean ministerial statement expressing concerns over recent developments in the South China Sea....


But it was not released officially after the meeting ended and some ministers left, he (pinoy FM) said, because "some countries maybe changed their mind". He said also the statement was not retracted, as it was never released.

The statement had registered "serious concerns over recent and ongoing developments, which have eroded trust and confidence, increased tensions and which may have the potential to undermine peace, security and stability in the South China Sea". It also called for the freedom of navigation and peaceful resolution of disputes in accordance with international law.

patriot said...


How to expect ASEAN to issue a JOINT STATEMENT
when the MEMBERS ARE HAVING OWN INDIVIDUAL AGENDA?

IS ASEAN A COHESIVE ENTITY?

THE MEMBERS ARE SLEEPING TOGETHER
BUT HAVING DIFFERENT DREAMS.
This is ASEAN.

patriot

Anonymous said...

We should have an international Chinese slaughter and eating festival and chop these mother fuckers up and feed their meat to dogs.

Anonymous said...

Thai Transport Minister announced to build the rail to link from Lao to end at Gulf of Thailand. Total 260km with only 6 stations to save cost. Money is likely borrowed from China while Thailand decides the interest. From China there is a rail to Lao.

Xi is urging Shanghai cooperation org to speed up the rail work on 1R 1B to Europe. Looks like the Asean on land close to China are leaving the other Asean to quarrel with China. My guess is: Thais people are seizing the opportunity to link on land to Europe while China are deep in pockets.

The worst position could be the tip in the south. The Thais can get business ending the rail from China at Gulf of Thai leaving out Malaysia.
The Vietnamese almost 100% will refuse to have a rail link from China, or the other way round. China lending money to the Vietnamese might hit the iron wall when asking back. This rail was said to link to Malaysia.
So that is the big gap in rail link: it stops at Thailand.

Anonymous said...

If u look at China 5000years of history, there were many invention such gun powder, compass, early earthquake seimo detection, acupuncture..The Chinese were ahead of its time in science & technology. Why China did not pursue? Because they need its bad for the country & humanity. Another thing Qing Garmen r not really inept. These imperial scholars were selected in Chinese imperial system, they were the elites of the nation. Qing Dynasty down fall is caused by 1 woman in power ( she is Empress Dowager Ci Xi). Some people believed that she was a reincarnation of a 'clan' whose whole family & entire clan were killed by the Qing Founders..she was reborn to create havoc to Qing...that's why many Chinese subjects became its victims..

Anonymous said...

"Qing Dynasty down fall is caused by 1 woman in power ( she is Empress Dowager Ci Xi) "
June 17, 2016 5:10 pm

The fundamental problem.
China and Chinese only have one system of government - the Emperor system.
That's why one woman can cause the downfall of a big country like China.
And one billion Chinese can only suck thumb and watch helplessly.

What about Singapore?
Do you think we are also operating under an emperor system?
Can the incompetence of one person cause the downfall of the entire Singapore?
And 5.5 million Singaporeans can only suck thumb and watch helplessly.

Anonymous said...

Don't ask stupid obvious question.

Anonymous said...

After reading the statements from Singapore, Indon, on Kunming meeting, the show was a defeat for China to present its case. The west media are not talking about china s 9 dashed lines or 11 dashedlines which authorized china to own the islands and reefs. The west media are talking about china s refusal to obey new rulings from a western force the Hague if the chinese are the rightful owner of those islands.

China is in a paradox position, to obey to please the Aseans like singapore, pinoys, indon or to offend them to stick to their historic authorities to own the islands. I think no china chinese dare to choose the first choice to be traitors.

China has to break Asean into parts to deal with the 10 states, Not all are objectively looking at historic facts to deal with china s interests.

It is not hard to china to decide who are their friends. From what President Xi s response these few days, he did not even bother to talk about south china seas issues. May be he was so scared. May be he saw it as a way to buy time. I see he is taking the second course. He wishes to break through the 1B1R to get his products to Germany. There is rail route now from china chongquing to Europe in 22 days. No need to go through the sea route. So China can actually cut off Singapore, Malaysia. From China to Cambodia, through Loa, through Thailand, they can get their products imported and exported without even looking at the ports at Singapore or Malaysia. Not indonesian also. Vietnam also can be ignored. Pinoys sure can be ignored.

That is hard time for Asean if the chinese cut importing from Singapore and other countries mentioned. The chinese can survive, but Singapore can earn far less in export.

When in war with US, the chinese can flatten Japan okinawa with missiles, its within 2 hours of jobs. This also include Changi if the US fleets are using it to repair to strike at china. Singapore will have hard time ahead for not keeping the biggest market in asia in their favor. The japanese cannot offer much, the EU is dying and breaking up, the US can be a problem to buy if china sells it holding of US bonds of 1.5 trillions. US is like shits if china wants to do that.

Anonymous said...

"The moral of the story is that China must not fear offending these Asean states. China must stand up to its right in the South China Sea and kick asses if needed be. Once China has taught the asses a real lesson in how to behave, after some time, they would love China like they love the Americans and the Japanese. So China need not be sensitive and fear offending asses. Kick them real hard, they only understand when they are kicked hard, and would turn around to kiss China’s arse."

Double thumbs up.

I'm laughing my ass off when I read how the Asean states retracted their statement as soon as China expressed displeasure.

Yep. there is no other medicine for the Asean countries than to have their asses kicked real hard - to open their eyes to the hard reality - it is beyond their league !

I laughed even harder when I read how desperate the Slave Times trying to portray China as the bad guy - dividing Asean and such.

Anonymous said...

Just to point out some facts

(1)
Qing navy prior conflict (Jiawu) with Jap Navy was ranked no.1 in Asia in terms of tonnage and modern. Something like No.9 in the world. Vessels from both countries were all brought from the west (UK or Germany) with silver (cash). In fact the China vessels gun are bigger calibre compare to Jap smaller rapid guns ie. one direct hit will mean the end of Jap vessel. In the end, Qing Navy lose as they run out of ammunition (or none in the beginning), all the silver meant for ammunition, training and maintenance went to building of summer palace ( you still can see it in beijing).


So you can see, the morale of the story is : it is still the same. Money still goes to the west to buy arms.

(2) Irregardless of who side or dont side China in Asean, the US already won. It is showing that South China Sea issue is a concern for Asean countries at least for diplomacy. More is expected to continue following the Hague court verdict.

(3) The 1R1B thing is doomed to fail, one South China Sea issue is already causing so much hassle. 1R1B can only succeed if there is stability otherwise money will only go into the drain.

(4) Contrary to all beliefs, i think the old man has devised (or approve) all this before his death. I think his son is not so capable (in my opinion) as his father.