12/04/2015

Tharman talks about intervention in social policy

Tharman went to Brookings Institution in Washington to talk about why it is good for the govt to intervene in social policy like social engineering. Has Singapore been doing social engineering in the city state? Of course we have and it is a very serious decision to take to ensure social security and stability. We have four major ethnic groups here and it is a natural tendency for the different ethnic groups to gravitate and live together.  ‘It’s not a natural tendency of society, it’s not part of the natural workings of society that  you get people wanting more and more to live with people who are different from them. So we need the visible hand of public policy to mitigate the invisible hand of markets, both the economic market as well as the invisible hand of social forces,’ he said.

So we have the HDB housing policies and quotas to spread the people to avoid having ghettos and ethnic enclaves. So far so good. We have not only avoided ghettos, we also have avoided racial problems and tensions.

Then again, with more than 2 million foreigners here, did the govt engage in intervention social policies? Don’t think so. We are seeing some ghetto like housing appearing. We are also seeing enclaves of foreigners in certain parts of the islands. If ethnic gatherings are not healthy to a multi racial society, what about the enclaves and segregations of foreign nationals in the city state? Would they pose a problem to the social cohesion and social fabric of our fragile multi racial and multi religious society? Somehow no one seems to bother about the millions of foreigners here, no social intervention, not even a care about the possible consequences on security of the nation. And many foreigners are employed to provide security services, to check on the Singaporeans, many of whom are NS men or ex NS men, with the responsibility to defend this city state. And now they are subject to checks and scrutiny by foreigners whose backgrounds are unknown, whose loyalties and political or religious affiliations are unknown.

How crazy or irresponsible has things become? What do you think? We control our people to the minute details but foreigners can do as they please, can run wild all over the island, living in their own enclaves and even business parks.

What is happening? Oh, Singaporeans committed more crimes than foreigners. Foreigners are all good and law abiding, model residents.

31 comments:

Anonymous said...

"...foreigners can do as they pleases, can run wild all over the island, living in their own enclaves and even business parks."
RB

Because that one PAP and Tharman cannot do anything much about it lah. If talk no use, talk for what? That's why Tharman did the right thing by not talking about it lor. Only netizens and those in kopitiams engaged in useless talk, tio bo? Tharman where got time for this?

Veritas said...

Our minorities again cry Chinese racism for racial quota, as they always do.


Anonymous said...

"We control our people to the minute details but foreigners can do as they pleases, can run wild all over the island, living in their own enclaves and even business parks."

Are Singaporeans the slaves of PAP?
Is that why PAP can control Singaporeans to the minute details?
Did 70% Singaporeans who voted PAP, make Singaporeans into PAP slaves?
Did the 70% Singaporeans own self fuck own self by voting PAP?

Chua Chin Leng aka redbean said...

Hi Veritas, I know you have very strong views about some issues. Please be sensitive in what you are saying and not to get people hot and angry about what you are saying. Race and religion are very sensitive, very personal and very emotional.

Thank you.

Veritas said...

ok RB

Anonymous said...

RB has this tendency to exaggerate seemingly minor problems or even none at all. Come RB, lets live and let live. Please try and be a little accommodating. FTs are here to help us grow. Without these FTs we are doomed.

Chua Chin Leng aka redbean said...

Really? If that is the case, we would have been doomed since 1965. We built our city state without these FTs. These newcomers came after we have built everything and they are just taking a ride.

Ask yourself a simple question. Why are these FTs unable to bring about the growth in their own countries if they are so good? Does that ring a bell?

With their arrival our productivity has gone down. Many of our people were forced out of work by these foreigners not because the foreigners were better, but because of stupid policies.

Imam Yamami Sheik Heraz said...

Aiyah, Tharman is just putting a spin on an old Lee Kuan Yew point, made in his combative, unapologetic manner.

Tharman, can talk more cock, adding words like "public policy" and "invisible hand", as a typical economist.

Lee Kuan Yew's metaphor for "intervention" is HATCHET.

“I am often accused of interfering in the private lives of citizens. Yes, if I did not, had I not done that, we wouldn't be here today. And I say without the slightest remorse, that we wouldn't be here, we would not have made economic progress, if we had not intervened on very personal matters - who your neighbour is, how you live, the noise you make, how you spit, or what language you use. We decide what is right. Never mind what the people think.”
― Lee Kuan Yew

...and...

“I ignore polling as a method of government. I think that shows a certain weakness of mind - an inability to chart a course whichever way the wind blows, whichever way the media encourages the people to go, you follow. If you can't force or are unwilling to force your people to follow you, with or without threats, you are not a leader.”
― Lee Kuan Yew (BOLD emphasis added by me)

Apparently nearly 70% of the voting citizens approve of this style of governance/ social engineering.

Most of those voters have never heard of nor do they care about The Brookings Institution.

Anonymous said...

"FTs are here to help us grow. Without these FTs we are doomed."
December 04, 2015 10:12 a.m.

Please tell us in greater detail the exact process in how your Aliens or FTs help "us" to "grow"?

- Who is "us"?
Singaporeans or PAP citizens?

- what exactly are you "growing"?
growing the frequency of MRT breakdowns?
growing the number of Singaporean taxi drivers being beaten up by Aliens?
growing the number of unemployed Singaporean PMETs?

Lu Kong Simi PAP lanjiao?

Anonymous said...


I totally agreed that the four major ethnic groups in this
city state can live as ONE.

We are brothers and sisters!

Our govt had done a great job here.

It took us many years to achieve this.

We have to be very careful in accepting instant citizens from
different places/groups, in large numbers.

Beware of the increases in social ills!

Beware! Beware! Beware!

jjgg said...

If the majority of the people in Singapore don't give a flying fuck for the Brooking institute, I daresay the majority of the audience Tharman spoke to won't care a weasel's arse about what's happening here. Wonder who's paying for Tharman's all expenses paid holiday.

Anonymous said...


Beware! Beware! Beware!

There has been a possible tuberculous disease outbreak in Singapore’s National University Hospital (NUH) and 178 children have been recalled for testing.

The hospital found out when a nurse (local or overseas??) was tested positive for TB last Friday (Nov 27).

Sad! Very Sad! Very Very Sad!

Anonymous said...

TB outbreak at NUH.
Hepatitis outbreak at SGH.

When PAP imports Alien Talents from the 3rd World.
Do you think Singapore is becoming more 1st World or more 3rd World?

Do you think the TB and Hepatitis outbreak in Singapore is creating good jobs for Singaporeans?
Did the 70% Singaporeans who voted PAP just "own self fuck own self" again?

Anonymous said...

@ December 04, 2015 1:05 p.m.

The TB is just one nurse confirm with TB.
No other TB cases have been confirmed.
So it is only POSSIBLE TB Outbreak at NUH.
I stand corrected.

Let's all pray that this is just one isolated case.
A once in 50 years event.

Anonymous said...

/// Let's all pray that this is just one isolated case. ///
December 04, 2015 1:09 p.m.

Yes.
Are we Pray And Pray Singapore or PAP Singapore?
Is it because everything works in Singapore, on a hope and a prayer?

Anonymous said...

Relating to what RB has written @ 11.00 am

Singapore was built by the pioneer generation up to a certain level. Then through the hard work of some newcomers Singapore grew. Now to maintain the level Singapore is at now, we need foreign intervention. Without foreigners and also Singaporeans, Singapore would not be able to compete with the up and coming neighbours such as Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia. Singapore needs all the foreign help it can get. Of course there will be Singaporeans who get displaced, but that happens everywhere there is competition. Singaporeans must upgrade their skill. widen their expertise and most of all learn new ways to be able to compete on a world stage. Nothing comes free and the PAP government cannot nanny Singaporeans in all the time. Self help is also needed. 70% mandate to the PAP is a good thing and the government will always be there to help, but Singaporeans must also do the best for themselves.

Anonymous said...

from moh site


The incidence of tuberculosis (TB) declined from 307 cases per 100,000 population in 1960 to 56 cases per 100,000 in 1987. From 1987 to 1998, the rate of TB among residents was fairly static ranging from 49 - 57 per 100,000 resident population. Following the launch of the Singapore Tuberculosis Elimination Programme (STEP) in 1997, the incidence of TB declined to a low of 35 per 100,000 resident population in 2007. In recent years, we have seen a resurgence of TB in Singapore. For more information, please refer to the latest annual “Communicable Diseases Surveillance in Singapore”


after the 2006 ge ft floodgate opened ,influx started about 2007

Anonymous said...

You think you will not be replaced or your children will not be replaced/

Anonymous said...

Even former mom minister also caught the TB virus.

Anonymous said...

The opening of the floodgate was a DOWNRIGHT reckless policy. One MILLION intake of people mostly from 3rd world countries into this teeny-weeny sardine-packed 700kmq SG. a short space of time, is mother of all recklessness.

This would NOT have happened when old Prime Minister Goh is still in charge.

Anonymous said...

MOH site

Symptoms of TB disease depend on the area affected. Some common symptoms of TB include:
◾a persistent cough that lasts 3 weeks or longer
◾low-grade fever
◾night sweats
◾fatigue
◾weight loss
◾chest pain
◾coughing up blood or sputum
◾A persistent cough lasting longer than 3 weeks, and accompanied by any of the other symptoms above, may indicate active TB disease.

If you experience such symptoms, you should consult your doctor right away. Your doctor will ask you to go for a chest X-ray and you may be referred to a specialist for further clinical and laboratory investigations. Early detection is key.---end


Pls protect yourself by covering your face when some near you cough endlessly esp in the trains bad air circulation/ trains delays.

Best is avoid very crowded places.

Anonymous said...

How Tuberculosis Spreads

TB is an air-borne disease transmitted through fine respiratory droplets from an infected person. Persons with TB are most likely to spread it to people who have close and prolonged contact with them, such as family members, friends and co-workers.

You cannot get TB from sharing drinking containers or eating utensils, cigarettes, or saliva shared from kissing. TB is not spread through shaking someone’s hand, sharing food, touching bed linens or toilet seats, or sharing toothbrushes. MOH site

Anonymous said...

Our streets are getting more dangerous.
Our hospitals are getting more dangerous.
What more do you want?

Anonymous said...

" You cannot get TB from sharing drinking containers or eating utensils, cigarettes, or saliva shared from kissing. TB is not spread through shaking someone’s hand, sharing food, touching bed linens or toilet seats, or sharing toothbrushes. MOH site "
December 04, 2015 1:46 p.m.

Sure or not?
If MOH is so clever, then how come TB rates are increasing in Singapore?

Anonymous said...

Nothing comes free and the PAP government cannot nanny Singaporeans in all the time. Self help is also needed. 70% mandate to the PAP is a good thing and the government will always be there to help, but Singaporeans must also do the best for themselves.
December 04, 2015 1:19 p.m.

I would re-phrase as follows:

Nothing comes free and Singaporeans cannot nanny PAP government all the time.
Competence is also needed.
70% mandate to our Loyal Opposition is also a good thing and the Loyal Opposition will always be there to help, but PAP must also show they are competent and can really do the job.

MRT = a competent PAP?
Hepatitis in SGH = competent PAP?
TB in NUH = a competent PAP?

Anonymous said...

I thought all Singaporeans are vaccinated against TB in Singapore?

Anonymous said...

I thought all Singaporeans are vaccinated against TB in Singapore?
Anon 3:06 p.m.

Some have much weaker levels of immunity than others. So vaccination also no use.

Just don't be the one lah.

Anonymous said...

Some have much weaker levels of immunity than others. So vaccination also no use.
December 04, 2015 4:44 p.m.

Some political leaders are more stupid and incompetent than others. So strong mandate also no use.

Just don't vote for the one lah.

b said...

social engineering is nothing new - its like religion preaching.

Anonymous said...

@ December 04, 2015 1:19 p.m.

Lu gong sim PAP lanjiao?

"Then through the hard work of some newcomers Singapore grew."
- who are these newcomers who work for free (unlike PAP Ministers who work for millions in salary)
- please provide the names of these newcomers

"Now to maintain the level Singapore is at now, we need foreign intervention."
- Singaporeans do not need foreign intervention
- only PAP and PM Lee say Singapore needs the foreign intervention

"... Singapore would not be able to compete with the up and coming neighbours such as Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia. "
- we pay PAP Ministers millions in salary
- only to struggle to compete with 3rd world countries and neighbours?
- I thought we are 1st world country competing with other 1st world country?
- Didn't LKY say "From 3rd World to First World"?

"Singaporeans must upgrade their skill. widen their expertise and most of all learn new ways to be able to compete on a world stage."
- From the way Singapore is dropping in quality
- it seems it is the PAP Ministers who must upgrade their skill. widen their expertise and most of all learn new ways to be able to lead Singaporeans to compete on a world stage."

@ December 04, 2015 1:19 p.m.
Fucking PAP running dog.
Talk PAP lan jiao.

A bad workman always blames his tools.
A useless political leader will always blame his own citizens.

Anonymous said...

Is this another example of Singaporeans subsidizing PAP linked companies and PAP policies?

"proposed S$1.1 billion give-away to SMRT and SBS Transit"

https://yawningbread.wordpress.com/2012/02/27/the-s1-1-billion-question-let-me-say-it-again/

"SBS and SMRT shares spiked more than 5% on S$1 billion LTA gift"

http://statestimesreview.com/2015/12/04/sbs-and-smrt-shares-spiked-more-than-5-on-s1-billion-lta-gift/