12/21/2015

Catherine Lim’s open letter to Hsien Loong

$150,000 damage to Hsien Loong. This is the court’s ruling against Roy Ngerng in the defamation suit taken up by Hsien Loong against him. Many eyes were rolling but most people kept quiet. What is there to say anymore? This is the normal and better to get use to it. But Catherine Lim is not going to let it rest. She wrote an open letter to Hsien Loong. Below are a few paras from her letter.

‘Sir

It was with much dismay that I read the report ‘Blogger ordered to pay PM 150k in damages’ in the Straits Times of 18 December 2015. I was less struck by the specifics of a court case that Singaporeans must have been following with great interest over the months – the standpoints taken by the contending parties, the various judicial processes, the assessment of damages to be paid to the plaintiff – than by one stark fact: once again, Sir, your powerful government is putting to use its most powerful instrument for silencing critics, namely, the defamation suit.

This dreaded instrument that had been created in a past era to punish political opponents specifically and instil fear in the people generally, could not have appeared at a more inappropriate time. For this is supposedly a period of sweeping change and new connection with the people, following the PAP’s resounding victory in a highly fraught general election. Charged with new energy, the government has been engaged in a massive exercise of goodwill and generous giving to the people, firstly to consolidate and strengthen the support that they had given in the election, and secondly, to lead them, during this crucial period of transition, into a new era of PAP leadership that promises to be even better connected with their needs and aspirations…

Catherine quoted words like amity, unity, magnanimity, grace, enlightened creativity, courage etc etc hoping that her message will get through to Hsien Loong and maybe the latter will have a change of heart in view of the great election victory and the hope for sweeping changes and a new ethos of kindness and compassion. Many thought the overwhelming victory to the PAP will lead to goodwill and generosity and not an endorsement of past practices and norms.

Would it be, would Catherine’s appeal to the heart and emotion of Hsien Loong do anything or change anything to minimise the financial damages to Roy Ngerng?

74 comments:

Ⓜatilah $ingapura⚠️ said...

Fuck you Cattherine, your silly arguments are water off a duck's back.

Go straight for the meat: FREEDOM OF SPEECH, including the right to be offensive, hurtful and hateful....i.e. YOU the speaker decides what is "right" to say, and your audience will agree or disagree and use the SAME FREEDOMS you have to respond or react to your statements.

Fredon of speeh is only one component of a number of "freedoms" which comprise our idea of civil liberties, individual freedom to be and act autonomously, and the existential state that we live securely in our lives without the fear of severe PHYSICAL recriminations if someone for any reason didn't like:

1. What we say
2. How we look
3. Where we come from
4. Our political and religious leanings
etc.

Freedom, Dr Cat, FREEDOM. Get it RIGHT lah, once and for all.

Anonymous said...

But if Roy is not scared to defame PM Lee, why should he be scared to pay $$$ damages or be made bankrupt? Catherine Lim has missed this important point by writing the open letter to PM Lee. No wonder she did not become politician like Roy, despite being so interested to write on politics.

Or for a clearer analogy, why dare to commit murder but scared to be hanged?

Anonymous said...


做人....一定要心安里得!

做人....一定要心安里得!

hahaha..............

Anonymous said...

The rash and uncouth 60 year old brat is behaving like himself again.
What he needs is a caning from his mama.

Anonymous said...

Funny, more surrogate sites reposting her open letter . Be kind to include her original post link here . Her important message just up (on her paid website by her web admin) few minutes ago . Hands-On Green Matters

Ⓜatilah $ingapura⚠️ said...

Great. Spread poorly reasoned arguments. No wonder the govt always WIN.

Anonymous said...

@ matilah

You are a fucking banana.
Personal freedom is a western concept.
There is no such thing as freedom in traditional Chinese culture.

As a Chinese citizen, you exist only to serve the Chinese state and the Chinese Emperor.
What about Singaporean citizens?
Do we exist to serve the Singapore state and the Singaporean Emperor?

Anonymous said...

What significant damagee did LHL suffer?
He and his party won the GE convincingly.
If his car's bumper is superficially grazed, why is he entitled to replace with a new car?
That's coruption of power

Ⓜatilah $ingapura⚠️ said...

@1203:

Actually you are wrong. LaoZi had lots of ideas which predated "western" libertarianism, i.e. individual freedom. But since you're a dumb fuck, I won't explain. Get off your lazy uneducated ass and go do some study in the many wonderful libraries we have. You stupid CUNT.

>> There is no such thing as freedom in traditional Chinese culture. <

WOW! Motherfucker, sweet jesus smoking lee kuan yew's cremated balls... I didn't know that Singapore society was a slave to traditional Chinese culture!?!

Hey Chinaman, can you send your rickshaw dad to pick me up and take me to the brothel your mom works in so she can suck my dick as I smoke on my opium pipe? :-))

Banana? Fucking great. I can choose my culture to suit the situation. Formlessness lah, motherfucker!

"There is a thing, formless yet complete". Tao teh Ching lah cheebye, go back and learn your motherfucking history properly before you embarass the whole cuntry and the whole Chinese race lah. 笨天生的一堆肉

Anonymous said...

PAP Chicken Joke
---------------------
Why did the chicken cross the road?

AMERICAN answers: Why not?

SINGAPOREAN answers: Government say can cross the road meh?
Better wait for another chicken to cross the road first to confirm. Then I will know for sure I am allowed to cross the road.

Lee Kuan Yew:
This is an open act of rebellion. I will jail that chicken without trial for the next 10 years.

M Ravi:
I have visited the location where the alleged crossing took place.
But I have not been granted access to my client, the chicken.

Workers' Party:
The PAP government has not responded to our repeated enquiries about the legality of crossing the road. OR When the driver stops the car, then we will cross the road.

Social Democratic Party, Chee Soon Juan:
We envisage a Singapore where chickens can cross roads without their motives being called into question.

PAP Voter/Supporter:
We don't ask why the chicken crossed the road. If the PAP says the chicken crossed the road, that is good enough for me.

Anonymous said...

Fuck you lah. PAPies got 70% mandate to do whatever fuck they want lah. Not happy?!?! Then you go jump MRT or jump HDB lah. Cheebye.

Anonymous said...

@ December 21, 2015 12:25 pm

Who cares why the chicken crossed the road.
we want to know why 70% Singaporeans voted PAP.

Anonymous said...

since '94, cat lim has given numerous "interviews" to western press, especially those from britain, about how lousy this place is. she will probably give more "interviews" to her western friends again.

Anonymous said...

Why matilar posted the video images of him fucking his Daughter is totally unbelievable

Anonymous said...

Matilah should write an open letter to Dr Lim.
Include all the expletives.
Mari lah kita berseru....

Anonymous said...

He is a retard.

Anonymous said...

No; he is not a retard.
Never call another a retard - whatever his arguments.

b said...

Just understand that there is no freedom of speech here or anywhere in the real world. It only exists in an ideal world. One can be charged with hate speech anywhere in this world. I do hope that PM Lee can be big hearted and reduced the fine to $1500 as a first time warning. It will make more people like him.

Anonymous said...

Someone had commented elsewhere that in Defamation law, it is not necessary to prove that the plaintiff reputation was tarnished, and the case would favour the plaintif as long as the intention to defame, is established.
A.is the above true?
B. If so, how do you treat a case of failed first degree murder attempt? You hang the person who planned a failed attempt to kill? Is it fair?

Anonymous said...

Why matilar posted the video images of him fucking his Daughter is totally unbelievable
December 21, 2015 2:57 pm

Matilar actually posted a video of me butt fucking him.

Anonymous said...

6.45 pm good one!

Anonymous said...

That would teach him not to anyhow show his video everywhere. Silly bugger.

Anonymous said...

Rb // Charged with new energy, the government has been engaged in a massive exercise of goodwill and generous giving to the people, firstly to consolidate and strengthen the support that they had given in the election, and secondly, to lead them, during this crucial period of transition, into a new era of PAP leadership that promises to be even better connected with their needs and aspirations… //


The fact that many ( most likely the majority of ) new economics migrants are struggling to hand on to their life style speaks volume of sustainability in this Sin City.

Anonymous said...

Empirical evidences?

Just look at the affordability of reproducing themselves.

Many are even struggling with the upbringing, education system and costs of just one SINGLE, SOLITARY offspring among 4 grandparents and 2 parents.

Anonymous said...

The reproduction rate of new economic migrants in sin city is even far worst than indigenous sinkies.

Anonymous said...

This implies that for every new economic migrant that papigs bring in now, they will have to bring in double the number ( of new, new economic migrants ) to top up for the under producing ( old ) current new economic migrants down the road or as of now cos those that came in the first waves in the late 80s and early 90s are already in their ( fast reaching unproductive ) 50s and 60s.

Anonymous said...

Doesn’t this sound like a "ponzi scheme "?

Anonymous said...

Albeit in terms of "economic beans or slaves"?

Anonymous said...

Economics is not and should not be the only lens ( solution ) to view and solve the problems of a society.

Anonymous said...

But when it is used, it should be apply properly, with GOOD economics.

Anonymous said...

Solving a society's problems via " ponzi-like scheme" is certainly "very, very bad economics"!

Anonymous said...

Where is the sustainability?

Anonymous said...

Finding the solution to the problem could be the KEY to LONG TERM SOLUTION of sinkies RETIREMENT ADEQUACY and HIGH UNSUSTAINABLE LIVING COSTS than finding the "solution for more means of SUPPRESSION and/ or SUPPRESSION of expression of non-sustainability"?

Anonymous said...

Unsustainable means unsustainable?

Anonymous said...

No amount of "suppressions" can "prevent the emergence of the next "JBJ, CSJ, FS, TLH, CTP, RN, AY " ..... etc

Anonymous said...

The ancient Qin and the last Qing Dynasties are "masters" of suppressions. ....

Yet what were the outcomes?

When the system is flawed, no amount of suppressions can maintain the LONG TERM sustainability?

Anonymous said...

In 1990, a population of 3 million produced about 50,000+ babies .....

Anonymous said...

Fast forward 25 years.

According to the latest report over the weekend, up to 1 Dec 2015, the number of (SG50) babies is only 30,500 .....

When the present generation see no hope ( of affordability, sustainability and viability ), they tend to underproduce?

Anonymous said...

By far, this is the "BIGGEST" evidence of a "SHORT-TERMIST" system built on ( unsustainable, quicksand ) shaky foundation?

Anonymous said...

In the future, hypothetically when the existing 10 million are not productive ( demographically ), how to top up 10 million with another 20 million?

Anonymous said...

Good economics is all about forging long term competitiveness, NOT "PONZI-LIKE SCHEME"?

Anonymous said...

Somemore in terms of "economics beans or slaves"?

Anonymous said...

What kind of long term, good economics is that?

Anonymous said...

Lol?

Anonymous said...

No amount of "spin" or "suppressions " can keep the "bubbling hot lava" underneath surfacing?

Bcos no amount of spins or suppressions can hide the fact of "sustainability"?

It is as ubiquitous as a sore thumb sticking out ( everywhere such as in a general election campaign on every lamp post available )? Simply unsustainable and undesirable?

Anonymous said...

What is the crux, mother of all nek nek problems?

Anonymous said...

It is about the (running speed) of the economic race ( in sin city)?

Anonymous said...

How were the ( economic marathon of ) last 25 years sustained ( running at the speed of a single lap of 400 metres for a 42+ kilometres economic marathon )?

Anonymous said...

By changing the legs?

Anonymous said...

The lungs?

Anonymous said...

The heart?

Anonymous said...

The liver?

Anonymous said...

The kidneys?

Anonymous said...

The respiratory system?

Anonymous said...

The muscles?

Anonymous said...

The bones?

Anonymous said...

In another 2 to 3 Terms in power, the PAP RULERS, CRONIES AND THEIR OFFSPRINGS WOULD HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH TO LIVE LIKE DUKES AND DUCHESS ANYWHERE THEY CHOOSE ON THE PLANET.

AS FOR SINKIES AND THE TINY DOT;
YOU DIE YOUR BUSINESS.

patriot

Anonymous said...

If the PAP system is not sustainable, then why did 70% Singaporeans vote for PAP?
Which is more unsustainable?
- the PAP system?
OR
- the stupidity of Singaporeans who do not know how to vote in their own (and Singapore's) best interest?

Anonymous said...

Or the entire instant trees?

Anonymous said...

Can YEW figure it out?

Anonymous said...

Is it that difficult?

Anonymous said...

Election is 70% supporters .....

But ......

But ......

Anonymous said...

In life decision .....

Only 30,500 SG50 babies by 1 Dec 2015?

Which barometer is more accurate of the endorsement of the system by majority sinkies?

Anonymous said...

If sinkies so confident and supportive, why scared to have babies?

Why scared to raise children?

In northern Europe, TFR is 1.8 to 2.1.

Anonymous said...

Just like PRC current Premier Li Ke Qiang. ....

Before assuming the Premiership, he is well known to be highly skeptical of the ( official ) economic numbers ......

He publicly acknowledged he relied on assessment of PRC economic health not by the ( official ) economic numbers .....

Anonymous said...

But by the amount of coal and iron ore piling up in PRC ports .......

Anonymous said...

If the economy is doing so well, common sense would tell YEW those commodities won't be stuck in the ports ......

Anonymous said...

So if YEW want to know the "health" of the ( papigs ) system and the level of ( real ) support ( of papigs ) among sinkies, just look at the number of babies produced each month and year and the annual TFR ..... ?

Anonymous said...

In many countries, they are ( positively ) correlated?

Anonymous said...

Do YEW know which other country mirrors sinkieland in terms of the TFR ( and confidence in their country's future )?

Anonymous said...

But their voting patterns are so out of sync with sinkieland?

Anonymous said...

What make the difference?

Anonymous said...

Are majority of sinkies ( produced by a kongcum ( education ) system ) able to think ( independently and intelligently )?

Ⓜatilah $ingapura⚠️ said...

@ anti-retard, 515:

No need to defend me or the non-use of the word "retard".

All words are acceptable. You can call me anything you like. I uphold freedom of speech, so DO YOUR WORST!

@ b:

You are one of the most ignorant fools I've ever had the misfortune to come across.

Freedom Of Speech is the absolute basic most NATURAL form. Here's why:

1. You own your brain---which creates ideas

2. You own your vocal chords---which makes sounds

3. And the rest of your body which has various mechanisms of producing not only words, but the ability to create and transmit ABSTRACT IDEAS formed by words (sounds) delivered to your own brain (internal) or transmitted to other brains (speech, writing, communication) in an accepted CODE (aka language)

4. With no "external control", all your speech is FREE IN THIS NATURAL STATE in the sense that is was created completely autonomously without any restraint except from physical limitations---for e.g. you can't speak continuously. You have to occasionally stop to BREATHE.

Living in any form or grouping, whether ad hoc small group, a family or a nation, there are implicit and explicit codes which govern behaviour, i.e. place LIMITS or CONDITIONS on your NATURAL ABILITIES. For e.g.: you sit down to eat, you shit in a toilet, you wear appropriate clothing, you address others in accordance with their social status, you have a place in the hierarchy.

You can make the case for people to have their "freedom to shit" restricted (by law) so that they can only shit legally in toilets (when in public), or their own property.

Can you make the case about the freedom to speak and express? HA. Not so easy. We can all agree that shouting "FIRE" as a hoax in a crowded space should be illegal, but not everyone will agree that speech which is offensive and potentially hurtful of feelings should be restricted for many reasons, but one fundamental SIMPLE one:

NO ONE CAN AGREE OR OBJECTIVELY DEFINE WHAT "OFFENSIVE" SPEECH IS.

So like it of lump it: despite silly laws against free speech, FREE SPEECH PREVAILS in reality.

If it didn't I could write: FUCK YOUR GOD. I just did, and will continue to do so.